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26. Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:16 PM
PopolVuh RE: The death of Annie(?), and symbolism in the series finale and FWWM


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What the line takes away from Audrey is her ambiguity. We could all go through the series and check off each time Audrey has been bold and a character of sexual power (e.g. cherry stem, her sense of kinship with Laura after her death). However, there are just as many instances of her child-like naivete and innocence (e.g. crying along with Leland, pranks during the pilot). What one line did was essentially lift an unnecessary veil of sorts. While I'd rather the inclusion of Wheeler be nixed completely, when they had planned for them to have sex, why not leave that ridiculous line out?

 
27. Monday, December 15, 2008 9:52 PM
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QUOTE:From what we know about about the FWWM deleted scenes, Annie survived. But I can't get the image of the doc's reaction when Harry tells Coop she is fine. He gives a somber look to Harry and lowers his head. I never was fond of Annie, and I do believe if the show continued she would have died. What really fascinates me is that Audrey should have been the one taken into the Black Lodge. It's common knowledge that the writers intended Coop and Audrey to fall in love after Laura Palmer's killer was revealed. Unfortunately Mclaughin vetoed this and the writers had to come up with a love interest in a short period of time. I wonder if the Audrey love story would have saved the series for a 3rd season?


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 The reason for Doc Hayward's reaction was, for me at least, a clue as to what happened to Ben Horne. If he was dead, would the Doc be standing at Cooper's bedside? I find that doubtful. When Truman mentions Annie is in the hospital, the Doc's reaction suggests to me that Ben Horne is also there.

 
28. Monday, December 15, 2008 11:39 PM
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QUOTE:From what we know about about the FWWM deleted scenes, Annie survived. But I can't get the image of the doc's reaction when Harry tells Coop she is fine. He gives a somber look to Harry and lowers his head.


 Hey everyone

 The reason for Doc Hayward's reaction was, for me at least, a clue as to what happened to Ben Horne. If he was dead, would the Doc be standing at Cooper's bedside? I find that doubtful. When Truman mentions Annie is in the hospital, the Doc's reaction suggests to me that Ben Horne is also there.

Why would Ben be there?  I'm not attacking you, or trying to scare you off (welcome to the board, btw) I'm just curious. Because what would the point of the scene of violence at Doc Hayward's be if Ben didn't die, or if things were suddenly civil?  This is Doc's dark side. I think, and there would have to be a body or a coma.
 

 
29. Monday, December 22, 2008 5:35 PM
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Thanks

That's what I've always thought of that moment - the Doc has a cloud over him, as Ben Horne is alive, most likely in a coma. If Ben were dead, wouldn't Sheriff Truman have him locked up?

 
30. Monday, December 29, 2008 9:59 AM
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Yes, I think it is!  But a Cooper / Audrey romance would have been so much more interesting, and we wouldn't have had to endure Billy Zane.

I am so glad to see some Doctor Who fans on this board!


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31. Monday, December 29, 2008 1:40 PM
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That's what I've always thought of that moment - the Doc has a cloud over him, as Ben Horne is alive, most likely in a coma. If Ben were dead, wouldn't Sheriff Truman have him locked up?

Even if he wasn't dead, if Truman knew that Hayward had attacked Horne in anger and crowned him like that, Hayward would be locked up anyway. The fact that Hayward and Truman's relationship seems to be status quo at the end of the episode indicates that Hayward is covering up his actions, regardless of whether Ben was dead or just comatose. As far as the show is concerned, if there was a 3rd season, I doubt that Ben Horne would have ended up dead--maybe the blow would have reawakened his "evil" tendencies that he was trying to suppress in the 2nd half of season 2.

 
32. Wednesday, July 7, 2010 11:49 AM
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For many years, I assumed Annie was dead based on her ghastly death-like appearance in Laura's bed in FWWM. This was probably my favorite scene in the whole movie because it was the only one that appeared to me to be advancing the plot of the TV show in any way. The implication in this scene that Annie is dead obviously didn't jibe with Truman telling Doppleganger Cooper that Annie was fine in the final moments of the show, but Truman obviously could have been postponing telling "Cooper" the truth until he felt he was ready to hear it.

I just discovered this Website yesterday and am doing a lot of catch-up reading! I'm interested to learn that there were a couple of scenes possibly filmed for FWWM that also could have served as the first scenes for the first episode of Season Three, one of which being the site of a comatose but very much alive Annie in the hospital.

I was also interested to learn on this site that the writers did intend to free Cooper in the first handful of episodes of Season Three. For years, I assumed he was still in there 25 years later because of the references in the show to Cooper being in there at that time.

 
33. Wednesday, July 7, 2010 12:55 PM
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Haven't posted here in a while, but here's my view:

I'm pretty sure Coop's stuck in the Black Lodge forever. I don't think there's any way to get back out when you don't have your soul...I think that for the entirety of Twin Peaks (except for a lot of irrelevant season 2 episodes) is a game between the spirits to decide the fate of Laura's soul. I'm not sure exactly who's on who's side, but I know that BOB is on the side that wants to keep Laura's soul in the Black Lodge. Because he didn't manage to possess her and overcome him, he doesn't have that right. But for some reason (maybe she isn't pure enough to go to the White Lodge) she is stuck in Limbo, or the Waiting Room, until her savior comes (Cooper of course). I think that Coop was predestined to save Laura...anyways BOB plays an elaborate trick (which runs throughout pretty much the entirety of the show... maybe even in events that take place before the start...) to trap Cooper in the Black Lodge, only for BOB to have the trick played on him since Coop saves Laura's soul. I'm not clear on a few things though (i.e. how Coop gets back in Limbo for FWWM). This is the ultimate end of Twin Peaks; it didn't go on because both the stories of Cooper and Laura are now wrapped up... without them, the show is nothing. I imagine Annie would inform Harry about Coop and he will die a death similar to Leland's.

Anyways, concerning Annie, Laura, Caroline, and Windham Earle:

 I have a theory that Laura does not have a doppelganger at this point because she's in limbo. There is no proof that we actually see Laura's doppelganger. When she screams at Coop we see Windham Earle's face, blurred, briefly (a much ignored moment). Windham is taking Laura's form. I think he was also Annie and Caroline when they're talking to Coop (the real Annie appears elsewhere briefly). Also think about the significance of these three... they are Cooper's past, present, and future loves, and we all know that Windham likes to meddle with Coop's love life... I think much of the Black Lodge finale is Windham tormenting Coop. BOB is allowing him to control the Black Lodge to make him think he's in a position of power. I also think that Maddy and Leland are merely cameo appearances that Lynch decided to throw in. I doubt they mean anything. They are doppelgangers because everyone that lives in the Black Lodge is a doppelganger. I also doubt that Annie would die, since she obviously knows that Coop is possessed.


 I have a feeling that forever is a pretty short time in the black lodge!. Coop probably just has to spend 13 seconds in the lodge by our standards. 

 

 

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