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| 1. Monday, January 16, 2006 2:34 PM |
| Montana |
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Hi, guys! I am a big Lynch fan. I have been following the search for Blue Velvet's lost scenes for ages. I know that the special edition of BV included a deleted scenes montage of stills but Sanctuary (UK company) is searching for the deleted scenes. Does anyone (esp. John Neff) know how that search is going? Will we ever see the lost scenes? I know FWWM is naturally a big thing on this forum but BV is only 2hrs - the missing 2hrs (?) would double the footage of that fascinating vision. TW/FWWM already has +30hrs. Of course, before you flame me, I'm also keen to see the full FWWM and have signed the petition. Sorry if BV deleted scenes has already been covered in your own Lost Forum. Montana
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| 2. Monday, January 16, 2006 7:53 PM |
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Hi, Montana. I don't think there will ever be a BV Edition withn deleted scenes, for two reasons; 1.) On the MGM DVD project, when we were searching the DeLaurentiis archives for mag sound reels, foreign edition dubs, original mix elements, etc., much of what was logged in the property ledger was nowhere to be found. Many elements simply did not exist in the warehouse. This goes for certain picture elements that were the subject of interest as well. After DeLaurentiis' bankruptcy years ago, the elements were transferred numerous times to a Trustee warehouse, and other subsequent owners, and auditing was apparently not too good. It looks like much was tossed out. 2.) With MGM now a part of SONY, I don't think they will spend any more energy on it. It is not big enough for them. And, David would never allow deleted scenes from anything to be included in a package if they were not completed as if in a film, i.e.: Music scored and recorded and mixed, effects built and dubbed, dialog cleaned up, full color correction and a final 5.1 mix. No distributor would budget that for a minor movie.
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| 3. Monday, January 16, 2006 10:22 PM |
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What scenes are among the lost ones? Stuff about the Yellow Man, Frank, etc. I assume?
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| 4. Monday, January 16, 2006 10:36 PM |
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QUOTE:What scenes are among the lost ones? Stuff about the Yellow Man, Frank, etc. I assume? |
basically. There is some stuff with Frank getting into a big bar fight when he is taking Jeffery out on the town. And there is a scene where Dorothy finds another ear in her bathroom, and another scene with Dorothy and Jeffery on the roof af her apartment and she is probably thinking of jumping off. have you not seen the Special Edition BV DVD with the montoge of stills? It's good.
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| 5. Monday, January 16, 2006 10:45 PM |
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It would be great if they found them in time for the 20th year aniversary of the film. I know tht Lynch was very keen on releasing the Bar fight scene with the lady lighting her nipples on fire. He was quoted as saying that th reason he cut the scene in the first place was because it was just too much of a good thing. -B
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| 6. Monday, January 16, 2006 10:56 PM |
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QUOTE: QUOTE:What scenes are among the lost ones? Stuff about the Yellow Man, Frank, etc. I assume? |
have you not seen the Special Edition BV DVD with the montoge of stills? It's good. |
Absolutely.  Man, that movie is one dynamic piece of haunting brilliance. The montage is very cool---I love going through the extras on the Special Edition DVD. Kyle's chicken dance cracks me up every time! And Lynch's fave meal...what was it, McDonald's Filet O' Fish and a chocolate shake? After I watched the SE version, I think I had to run out to McDonald's and get that because it sounded so damn good!  The candid pictures while making the movie are nice. Wonder if the soundtrack is on CD? I have it on cassette...got it back in 89, I think. I was only 10 at the time, so it was a really big deal. :)
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| 7. Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:22 AM |
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Dugpa, they won't find them, because they've been thrown out, as near as anybody can figure. They just aren't in the warehouse, and believe me, we sent people over to look. The bar scene is one of those David was looking for, if it had a pool table scene with Frank. David has talked about that one, and wanted to see it again, but it wasn't found.
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| 8. Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:58 AM |
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| QUOTE: Wonder if the soundtrack is on CD? I have it on cassette...got it back in 89, I think. I was only 10 at the time, so it was a really big deal. :) |
Of course it's on CD ! Go and buy it All Lynch movies have their soundtrack on CD. I'd say most of them are absolute must-have, and Blue Bob is great too. About the lost scenes of BV, this reminds me what Lynch said about Mulholland Drive that was shot in two parts : first the pilot, then the additional scenes. To shot the additional scenes, one year later, the producers had the surprise to discover that most of the costumes and props were actually... lost. I just read yesterday again a DL interview where he said that he had been really shocked to see the absolute lack of care of studios.
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| 9. Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:41 PM |
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| QUOTE:Hi, Montana. I don't think there will ever be a BV Edition withn deleted scenes, for two reasons; 1.) On the MGM DVD project, when we were searching the DeLaurentiis archives for mag sound reels, foreign edition dubs, original mix elements, etc., much of what was logged in the property ledger was nowhere to be found. Many elements simply did not exist in the warehouse. This goes for certain picture elements that were the subject of interest as well. After DeLaurentiis' bankruptcy years ago, the elements were transferred numerous times to a Trustee warehouse, and other subsequent owners, and auditing was apparently not too good. It looks like much was tossed out. 2.) With MGM now a part of SONY, I don't think they will spend any more energy on it. It is not big enough for them. And, David would never allow deleted scenes from anything to be included in a package if they were not completed as if in a film, i.e.: Music scored and recorded and mixed, effects built and dubbed, dialog cleaned up, full color correction and a final 5.1 mix. No distributor would budget that for a minor movie. |
Wow! On one level that's a major-league bummer but thanks for replying. That is really depressing. But, BV is a masterpiece as it is, not botched like Welles's "Magnificent Ambersons". DL is quite right to demand high standards for any extended version of his films. But I guess the added costs of that serious commitment have contributed with the hold-up with FWWM. So, if we get the extended FWWM then it's worth it and if it came out as a botch then no-one would be happy, DL least of all.
Thanks for tackling this Mr Neff. Montana
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| 10. Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:24 PM |
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Hey John, I remember a little after the Blue Velvet DVD was done I had sent a lead over to Eli about the supposed whereabouts of some of the footage. Of all places, an article I found on the internet: http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s87velvet1.html 
Not sure if the lead ever panned out, but something was found by the guys at DVD Savant. -B 
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| 11. Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:49 AM |
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That's a great find, dugpa. Scenes 153-4 (the pool table scene) included in the European release?? Well, not in the Uk version. We got the regular US version. Can anyone help? Has anyone ever seen the pool table scene in a general release, European or otherwise? I never heard of a European DVD version. I haven't seen the Special Edition disc and presume it's not on that as a scene - I assume it is in the montage of stills. Curious about DL's quote in that link. "All films have bad ideas that get filmed then cut out later" Well, yes, to a degree. But I thought his own first cut was 4hrs (or at least substantially longer than the released 2hrs). So surely much of what he had to cut for commercial relaease was "good" material. From John's quote above, it follows there was material that DL wanted to include but couldn't for rating/commercial reasons. In the dvdsavant page the writer suggests DL squirreled away an extended version/deleted scenes footage. John's comment above suggests that he didn't and hasn't got the material. Besides, the physical print is usually property of the studio/production company, isn't it? Montana
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| 12. Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:53 AM |
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QUOTE: In the dvdsavant page the writer suggests DL squirreled away an extended version/deleted scenes footage. John's comment above suggests that he didn't and hasn't got the material. Besides, the physical print is usually property of the studio/production company, isn't it? Montana |
I believe that deleted footage, at this point, is the property of one man, and one man alone. 
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