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26. Sunday, August 24, 2008 6:57 PM
LittleMike RE: Black Lodge Encyclopedia - Agent Desmond


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Wow!

A jaw droppingly good read, some great theories included in not just this piece, but your previous stuff too. Look forward to your next one!


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27. Friday, September 5, 2008 12:54 AM
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This thread has certainly added new dimensions to my thoughts on the film. Especially like the Deputy Cliff/Mike murdering Desmond part. I always assumed it was him entering the lodge as he touched the ring.

 
28. Friday, September 5, 2008 11:15 AM
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Although it is a very interesting thought, I think that "Cliff killing Desmond" theory is very far fetched (then again, fetching from far is one of the most fun things to do when playing mindgames with Twin Peaks).

Anyways, I think deputy Cliff wasn't trafficing drugs but he was trying to get the drug dealers caught. He almost succeeded but Bobby managed to shoot him before getting arrested. And that "you killed Mike" was because both Mike (Bobby's friend) and Cliff had reddish hair and had some similarities in their looks. Especially when high on drugs, they might seem like each other even more although I think Laura didn't really think even for a second that it really could be Mike. She was just kidding around.

 Well, it's fun to play with that thought but I wouldn't give any really serious theorizing to it as there are things that explain the scenes with more sense.

 And I'm not saying that it shouldn't be in the Desmond part of the Encyclopedia as I think the more different theories is out there the more interesting Twin Peaks will get :)

 
29. Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:22 PM
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When Desmond loses his patience, he says "Ok that’s it. I’ve had enough of the waiting room now".

 This is a bit off topic, but an interesting synchronicity.  I've started rereading John Fowles'  The Magus.  It's about a young English schoolteacher, Nicholas, who accepts a teaching assignment in Greece.  While there, he becomes involved with a wealthy recluse, Conchis, who draws Nicholas into a labyrinth of games, hallucinations, parables, theatrical masques, and riddles. Before Nicholas leaves for Greece, he meets with his predecessor, who throws a parting line at him, "Beware of the waiting-room."  When Nicholas arrives on the Greek island, he begins exploring, and finds a rusty gate.  "Then I saw it...this notice said, in dull red letters on a white background, SALLE D'ATTENTE...it was Mitford's warning,"Beware of the waiting-room."  After this point in the novel, the going gets weirder and weirder.  (This novel was published in 1965.)


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30. Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:54 PM
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That's interesting Rigpa. John Fowles also wrote The Collector, from which Jennifer Lynch's Boxing Helena draws its psychological plot-theme.

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Yes, Cliff was trying to stop the drug dealers-- with a bullet. He didn't pull his badge and have backup waiting in the shadows with cuffs.  But then again, it is Deer Meadow. Cable probably would've called him a hero.  Highly unlikely he was trafficking drugs. Maybe he just needed some pocket cash and planned on robbing the kids. Maybe even killing Laura, too.  

How did the ring get under his trailer, anyway?   

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The theory that Desmond gets murdered based on the ring being related to Laura and Teresa is also problematic. Obviously Teresa doesn't get killed right after she puts the ring on- she has her picture taken. And there'd be no reason for Desmond to put it on-- he knows it was Teresa's. 

Remember that Mike as the MFAP is strongly implicated with the electricity (Indian whooping sound) as well as the "let's rock." 

But did Mike kill him?  At what point did Mike stop killing with BOB, thus giving birth to the MFAP (his arm)?

Is "let's rock" simply graffiti that has no meaning until the MFAP offers it as a clue to Cooper in his dream, to remember the trailer park? One that, incidentally, goes right over Cooper's head as it could have led him to find out where Desmond went... uh, if the writers planned on there being a Desmond, that is.  Cooper also spaces out that he's seen the Log Lady's tattoo before, in the photo of Teresa.    Ah, Cooper...

I subscribe to the WIP dream theory, the best thing I've ever read in that magazine.  Desmond is Cooper dreaming himself, and the ring AND the let's rock/ambient electricity sound are prescient clues about the outcome of this particular blue rose case.  Cooper dreams of the ring, and Laura will also dream of the ring, foretelling Laura putting in on.

When Laura puts it on, she is saved / taken to the White Lodge. 

Who else is taken to the White Lodge?  Briggs.  Dream or not, I think the viewer is meant to make a connection with the symbol and equate it with mysterious disappearance. The night Mr. Lanterman, who knew about the opening to the gateway, disappeared (died in a fire?), the symbol appeared on Margaret's neck.

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On a side note, it's often mentioned how Bobby never gets caught.  James tells Harry and Coop Laura said he killed this guy, but they never investigate.  Most people assume a Renault took care of the body.  I wonder why they didn't use the Low Town shoot-out scene from the Diary in FWWM?  Too long?  Or does young Bobby have a body count? 

 
31. Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:59 PM
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QUOTE:What is WIP 60? Can I find this article somewhere on the internet?


 Hey, Sourdust. I found the thread where I wrote up a detailed synopsis of the dream theory:

post 16:

http://www.twinpeaksgazette.com/community/topic.cfm?topicid=3026

 

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