Okay...I have some Peaks questions.  In Fire Walk With Me, when there is the wonderfully creepy scene of Laura waking up and seeing the Annie that we see in episode 29 lying beside her...Annie says, "I've been with Dale, and Laura. The good Dale is in the lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary." First...why didn't she write it in her diary? Or was that one of the pages that had been ripped out???

Second...how can the good Dale be in the lodge before Laura is even killed? He's not evil when he comes to Twin Peaks...or is it because the lodge has no time? 

I'm not sure about your first question, I'd like to know that too. But I think it's all about Laura. Something has already happened to Annie and she knows something is going to happen to Laura and warns her about this.

But you can find the answer to your second question here:

 http://www.twinpeaksgazette.com/prr/articles/physicsoflodge.html

 And I found this:

Time in the Lodge is way different from our time. While our time is linear, time in the lodge is not. "Past" and "future" blend within the lodge. So things we see that happen in the lodge, could be happening now, but could also have happened some time ago or can be happening in our future. This is pretty difficult to understand for us, since we can not really comprehend the fact that it would be possible for us to see things from all points in time, where or whenever they happened. It goes far beyond our imagination, but seems very natural within the lodge. The fact of time being non-linear, is shown for example when (in the FWWM-movie) Laura has her dream and she sees Annie Blackburn lying next to her in her bed. Annie tells her "I've been with Dale and Laura. The good Dale is in the lodge and he can't leave. Write it in your diary". So the things Annie's telling have already happened in the lodge, but have not happened in our world, since Cooper will not enter the lodge before another 2 1/2 weeks. Also the Phillip Jeffries scene in FWWM indicates the strangeness of time within the Lodge. He says "Who do you think that is?". This happened about a year before the murder of Laura, so it would implie he knows something of Cooper's future (past?) association with BOB and/or the Black Lodge. Also some of the conversations of Coop and the LMFAP indicate the non-linearity ot Lodge-time. (for example, one of the many scenes that were cut from the movie, the LMFAP said "Is it future? Or is it past? ... ")

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

"Through the darkness...of future's past..." Makes total sense. I have been working on a Peaks story, and just envisioned the little man saying to Coop, "My watch...has no hands."

And about not writing it in her diary---of course!---Harold already had it by that point.

Thanks, gang! That cleared that up right quick!  

Here's another question---do you think that Bob had anything to do with Harold's "suicide"? Or Windom Earle, for that matter?

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

Rocky, I like the sound of your story! :)

I think pretty much what some people have mentioned above, about time.  It's hard, I think to define EXACTLY what's going on, and I don't think we can ever have concrete proof of how lodge time works, etc, because you're getting into physics, dimesions, space, all kinds of stuff that we don't understand.

Of course I often love to try and decipher it but then end up confusing myself and/or others half the time!  But hey, that's what we're here for so I might as well give it a try.

What I have been thinking about this particular sequence for quite a long time now,  (though I haven't said anything because I wanted to be sure this idea would stick in my head, and it has and is,)  (the whole scene with Annie) is that this whole scene is a dream. 

Not just when Laura sees Coop and LMFAP in the lodge, but also when she "wakes up" and Annie is there in bed with her.  I am convinced that is a dream.  Another reason I think this, is because I think it's something to do with the painting.  When we see the two Laura's (the "normal" Laura looking out of her door), and then the spooky part where she sees herself within the painting - I think the painting Laura is somehow Laura's doppelganger and if you believe legends about doppelgangers/we consider what happened to Coop, that, because Laura turned around and faced her doppelganger, THIS was the warning she was going to die.  I also think Laura knows that she is being watched somehow, and that's why she gets frightened and takes the picture down.  

This is also why I am starting to change my mind lately about the Tremonds. I think Laura would have been safer if she had left the painting outside and not put it up on her wall to start with.  I have heard people say the opposite in the past, but think about it.  Think about what happens in it.  The first clue she gets is the "whooping" from LMFAP in her dream, then the whole part with the ring, which Coop (who I think is "the good Coop" Annie talks about AFTER Laura has already just seen him in her dream then..) desperately tries to get her not to take (because if she does take it, she will have to die), she then DOES take it, while still sleeping. (Even though we are misled into thinking she is awake) and then sees her doppelganger.  How else would she close her palm and the ring disappear unless she was still dreaming?

To explain more about why I think that whole dream sequence is a premonition Laura is going to die, for anyone interested:

The "whooping" sound I think means death because it happened IMMEDIATELY before Chet Desmond took the ring and disappeared..

The painting is of part of the black lodge.

Annie visited Laura in her dream the same as Coop did which explains how they can both pretty much speak to Laura at the same time - they know the Black Lodge is some kind of dream world and therefore they can reach her through it and maybe prevent her death. 

My reasoning behind the changing my mind about the Tremonds.  

I am starting to think they were helping BOB draw Laura closer to him by giving her the picture.  Should the fact that she temporarily forgot about the painting and left it outside meant it was a dangerous object and should NOT have been put upon her wall.  Her intuition was right.  She should have taken it down, but should never have put it up there to begin with.  If she hadn't, would she have still had all these premonitons of her death in her dream?

I also think, that in Twin Peaks, in the creamed corn scene especially, Mrs. Tremond shouted about not wanting any creamed corn, because she did not want to be responsible for the suffering, even though she knew she had played some kind of part in it and therefore she was.  She shouts because she is afraid of the corn and what it represents, and of Mike and doesn't want to give it to Mike.  But sorry, heh, that's getting way

"watch out for my cousin.."

With regard to the time thing:

Think of the lodge as being outside of time, not subject to it.

Think of time having a beginning and an end.

Now think of your lifetime as being a parade, with the first “act” that leads off the parade being your birth and the last act to go by, followed by the street sweeper, is your death.  Consider that this parade stretches several blocks of a city and you are standing on a street corner and as each “act” passes (an “act” could be a year or a period in your life etc) you watch as it goes by. 

You can only see the act currently in front of you, you have no idea what is to come, but you do remember the acts that have passed by.

Now consider that you are in the lodge, outside of time.  This would be viewing the parade from a helicopter high above.  You can see the beginning of the parade AND the end of it, AND all things in between.  You can see it all.  Therefore, you know the future, the past, the present, you see everything about that life.

Or, conversely, depending on your point of view, consider your life as a long stretch of cages at the zoo and each cage represents a year or period etc in your life and you walk by each exhibit.  You don’t know what you’ll see next, but you remember what you saw already.  Then put yourself in the helicopter….blah blah blah etc etc…

This was the best explanation for viewing time from eternity’s point of view that I have heard.  Works for me.

it's pileated, isn't it?

Found the exact quote - Lynch on Lynch p187. Talking about playing with notions of time

"She says to Laura, 'The good Dale is in the Lodge. Write it in your diary.' And I know that Laura wrote that down, in a little side space in her diary. Now, if Twin Peaks, the series, had contunued, someone may've found that. It's like somebody in 1920 saying. 'Lee Harvey Oswald', or something, and then later you sort of see it all. I had hopes of something coming of that, and I liked the idea of the story going back and forth in time."

Just realised that idea was recycled in Lost Highway. Dick Laurent is dead.

-- Gerry

the black dog runs at night

I think that's why Twin Peaks has stayed with me all these years. The loose ends used to drive me mad and now I don't mind if they're never resolved because in a lot of ways it would be an anti-climax. Having said that I'd kill to know what the ring, the mound of dirt and the words "Fire Walk With Me" mean to DL now. There are Laura people and Cooper people and I'm a Laura person. Laura's the reason I watched Twin Peaks and the reason Fire Walk With Me is (to me) the greatest film ever made. I love everything about it, from start to finish. The supernatural elements took a few years to ferment in my brain but now they're as much a part of Twin Peaks as anything in the series. Some people dislike the Teresa Banks prologue and find the film disjointed but Bob's a serial killer and Laura's murder is part of a much bigger picture.       

And therein lies the genius of FWWM. That Laura herself is no longer the image of a peaceful corpse and a fond (but ulimately corrupted) memory. She is a fully formed character who we see struggle with the often sinister dangers she is forced to deal with, particularly the very evil situation in her homelife that she has no control over. We grow to feel for her very much, which is what makes the slow-mo of that incredible shot from the pilot (the peeling back of the plastic sheeting to reveal her face) at the film's end so heart-breaking. Like Laura herself, we're aware her death is inevitable and Lynch cements this idea by returning to that familiar image. But if we take the film's beautiful coda, her death was her victory too, and that perhaps beyond the physical confines of the real world, she's found some sort of a happy ending that we, the audience, never thought possible. :) 

-- Gerry

the black dog runs at night