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1. Monday, December 14, 2009 1:19 PM
Douglas Ferns "Hallelujah"


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Has anyone ever considered that the Giant and MFAP could have been making jest of Cooper's love for coffee?


 
2. Monday, December 14, 2009 3:46 PM
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Heh, I hadn't, but it works. :)


 
3. Monday, December 14, 2009 11:53 PM
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For years I wondered about this!  Saying "Hallelujah" and then Senor Droolcup making that American Indian call with his mouth and hand... "boo boo boo boo boo".

I had thought that perhaps this was a reference to American Indians, and their mystical relationship with the woods and the Lodges.  And then... 

I saw the John Wayne film, the Searchers from 1956.  I recognized the actor who played Mose Harper in that film, and after some searching (no pun intended), realized that he was in fact Hank Worden.  And Hank Worden would go on to become Senor Droolcup on Twin Peaks about 35 years later.

In the film The Searchers, Hank Worden does the exact same American Indian call with his mouth and hand.  He does it throughout the film.  It's actually how I recognized the actor.

Clearly, David Lynch was a fan of the film the Searchers and asked Worden to replicate the call backwards for the final scenes of Twin Peaks.  The Searchers is a great film, and it's not difficult to see why Lynch was inluenced. 

 
4. Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:17 AM
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Wow, that's really interesting.  I also love the film The Searchers, and now looking back on it, I can see the connection; pretty awesome.


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5. Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:34 AM
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QUOTE:Has anyone ever considered that the Giant and MFAP could have been making jest of Cooper's love for coffee?


 I always thought the same. :) Agent Cooper loves it black as a midnight on a moonless night ;)

Also the coffee,donuts,Cooper's ring...they all were very significant...(like the golden circle of Mike and BOB appetite-satisfaction)

And hey,Addison that was great and interesting info. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing!:)


 


Beware of BOB

BOBBOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

 
6. Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:29 AM
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I have always assumed that there is a connection between the Native American whooping, and Johnny's head-dress.  Perhaps even a link to why he is how he is. Johnny and Harold are the two most fascinating and intriguing characters in the show for me.

 
7. Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:28 AM
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QUOTE:Clearly, David Lynch was a fan of the film the Searchers and asked Worden to replicate the call backwards for the final scenes of Twin Peaks.  


 

Actually, the sounds in woowoowoowoo make a palindrome. Like wowBOBwow. Played backward it sound the same as spoken forward.

Who knows at what point the whooping call idea came up? Perhaps it was volunteered by the actor, or suggested by someone else behind the scenes. In a world of possibilities, I wouldn't be so sure.

For instance, Lynch wrote the backward speak for Michael J Anderson's character without ever having known that was his specialty. It came second nature to him because it was the secret code he taught himself and his friends in school. How could he have known? Chalk it up to coincidence and fate!

 
8. Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:23 AM
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Funny, I always thought that "Woo Woo Woo" played backwards would be more like, "Ow Ow Ow," or a repeated cry of pain.

Well connected, Douglas Ferns. So what do you think the underlying pattern of references might be? A riff on the earlier movie rolls of the minor characters? The film names that the references come from? Twin Peaks being a trash heap of obscure popular trivia with no other connecting point other than David Lynch's sub-conscience?

 
9. Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:59 AM
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QUOTE:Funny, I always thought that "Woo Woo Woo" played backwards would be more like, "Ow Ow Ow," or a repeated cry of pain.

 

No, that would be WowWowWow. The phoneme is /ou/ as in ou (out), ow (cow)

Whereas Woo the phoneme is /OO/, as in oo (boot), u (truth), u_e (rude), ew (chew).

The lips do the same thing at either end of both utterances-- make a little circle. A ring, as it were. The vowel in the middle doesnt change because its reversed. Woo backward. Oo-wh. Ow backward- Wow-wh

 
10. Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:58 AM
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12rainbow, you are right.  It could have been the idea of the actor himself.  But somehow, I just don't see him being lucid enough to convince David Lynch to include that Indian "boo boo boo".  I actually don't see him being lucid enough to even remember!!!  But hey, maybe Senor Droolcup really was that great of an actor.

I'm not intending to take any of the TP magic away... I just think it's interesting and important for fellow Lynch fans to understand some of his inspirations.  And many of those inspirations came from old films. Some of them, (like the Lodges) came from parked cars! 

 
11. Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:05 PM
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That's a really good point about 'The Searchers' - I'm a big fan of the film but never put two and two together with this. I think it's very important not to dismiss this sort of decision - Lynch recycles a lot of old ideas from films (see 'Kiss Me Deadly' & 'Carnival of Souls' within Lost Highway as one of hundreds of possible examples). I remember reading a good essay in either 'Full of Secrets' or the Film quarterly to do with setting up a specific scene so Peggy Lipton & Clarence Williams III both from 'Mod Squad' would be in it together and that Lynch & Frost wanted a one-armed man as a reference to 'The Fugitive'. I've often thought some of this could be tied in with Lynch's meditation - subconcious recycling of images, kind of like a audio visual DJ, mixing pop culture together in a postmodern way.

 
12. Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:43 AM
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QUOTE:Funny, I always thought that "Woo Woo Woo" played backwards would be more like, "Ow Ow Ow," or a repeated cry of pain.

  No, that would be WowWowWow. The phoneme is /ou/ as in ou (out), ow (cow) Whereas Woo the phoneme is /OO/, as in oo (boot), u (truth), u_e (rude), ew (chew). The lips do the same thing at either end of both utterances-- make a little circle. A ring, as it were. The vowel in the middle doesn't change because it's reversed. Woo backward. Oo-wh. Ow backward- Wow-wh


 Probably 'cause I read the text and didn't listen to the episodes when I had that thought. So the opposite of WOWBOBWOW is Ow BOB Ow then, phenomically speaking. I don't get the "W" sound on both ends of WOO when reversed though. wouldn't the reverse of wuh-ooo be more like ooo-wuh or so? I just think that WOOWOOWOO and WOWWOWWOW when reversed would result in somewhat different sounds.

 

Can we at least agree that Dwarf reversed would be Fraud?

 
13. Wednesday, January 6, 2010 1:36 PM
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If you want more The Searchers references, try the Star Wars films...on second thought, don't...


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14. Wednesday, January 6, 2010 1:31 PM
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QUOTE:I have always assumed that there is a connection between the Native American whooping, and Johnny's head-dress.  Perhaps even a link to why he is how he is. Johnny and Harold are the two most fascinating and intriguing characters in the show for me.


 I agree. Both of these characters should have been developed at the expense of the comic characters in series 2.

Thanks, Addison, that's a really handy insight. I heard DL used references to classic films in Mulholland Drive, but as I don't watch much cinema the refs did not stick with me.

 
15. Saturday, January 9, 2010 3:09 PM
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In FWWM lil mike says that he sounds like this: and does the wooo woooo wooo indian thing again....which you hear repeatedly in the movie when looking at the electric wires.  The final episode seemed an introduction to this. 

MAN they had such a good new starting point with that last episode.  If only they had been able to continue!  They had all new ideas according to Lynch and Frost.

As far as the Halleluja, Lynch combines spirituality throughout Twin Peaks.   I feel here he is mixing the native american legend of the black lodge, with a native american play on words (the wooo woooo woooo) with the traditional American Halleluja.  (just as he mixed the Angels with alternate worlds, traditions, and theology, from the monks in tibet, to Mike and his "face of God", to the local priest at Laura's funeral, to Hawk's native american tribe belief of different worlds, different souls....Buddhist, Hindu, Christian...they all seem to be mixed together and recognized in the Twin Peaks world ...as if they ALL co-exist.....but perhaps I am just thinking that way because that mimics my personal beliefs, anyway....peaceful, universal co-existance. )

just a few thoughts.....

 

 
16. Friday, January 22, 2010 12:46 AM
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QUOTE:

In the film The Searchers, Hank Worden does the exact same American Indian call with his mouth and hand.  He does it throughout the film.  It's actually how I recognized the actor.

Clearly, David Lynch was a fan of the film the Searchers and asked Worden to replicate the call backwards for the final scenes of Twin Peaks.  The Searchers is a great film, and it's not difficult to see why Lynch was inluenced. 


 Worden can be seen on NBC's Night Gallery in 1971, as a man ejaculating non sequiturs in purgatory's waiting room in a very senor droolcup manner - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXqB7taLYCc 

 

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