You'll never believe who called me yesterday! I didn't pick up the phone when I heard his voice though. Instead I listened to him drone on and on about "An Inconvenient Truth." I felt like I was part of a Saturday Night Live bit, but it was Saturday morning. You know how Gore can do Southern Preacher Gore?  That's not what this was.  This was more like Pedantic Preachy Sesame Street Gore.  I've left it on my answering machine.

But how hilarious is that? Al Gore telemarketing his docu! And me -- on a no-call list.  How did this happen?

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

Um, Raymond.... I am a poor hippie in the hills of Marin County - where can I get me some of that free money?

Better still, John, send me your bank account info -- passwords, pin numbers and all -- and I'll split the fortune our dearly departed mutual friend in Nigeria has recently bequeathed to me.

 Oh, and use my private email address.  You can't trust all these Gazette types.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

FAO Mr Gore : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN#Computer_Science_and_CERN

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"The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times"

LOL!!!! That's great!!!!

Meanwhile Drudge has a link over to a BBC article - headline on Drudge: Global Warning Causing Glaciers To Grow . Article Summary is: "They found warmer winters and cooler summers, combined with more snow and rainfall, could be causing some mountain glaciers to increase in size."

Jordan .

New Thread or Bump this old Algore one?

http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568

Please read this and tell yourself you are not having a nightmare. See it Al's way or face Neuremberg War Crimes for " deniers" of Al's " Inconvenient TRUTH."  This is one of the scariest things I have read in a long time. Doesn't matter how you feel about man's effect on global warming, this proposal is just insane, through and through inside and out insane.

I can't imagine that Gore would in any way advocate such a lame-brained concept. Yeah, he may not be the most "with it" person when it comes to speaking about the environment (I really wish he'd stop promoting his half-truths as fact; he's as bad as the people who say that there's nothing wrong with the planet at all) but he's still got at least two brain cells to rub together and know that the idea of putting on trial those who choose to not acknowledge the adverse effects of humanity on the climate is ludicrous at best.

Oh I really hope I'm not wrong. *LOL*

~ Amanda

"Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave..."

I quoted and linked from this Mark Steyn interview elsewhere yesterday but this part fits here.  Needless to say, I think his assessment is correct. 

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

Just a brief follow up to the Neuremberg War Crimes Trials for Inconvenient TRUTH questioners:  First, I think it is possible that the human population en masse COULD have some minor effect on global temperatures. My sense is that any human effect pales in light of recurring natural el ninos patterns, volcanic ash levels, the natural shift in temperatures on this dynamic planet with warm ups and mini ice ages. Just check back 70 years for the last mini ice age. Throw in a slight earth " wobble" anytime and all bets are off. In the 1970's the doomsday fear was end of life due to global cooling-you can look it up-not that long ago.

The idea that we have 8 years until extinction, with the course of salvation being the junk science of Al's movie is to me absurd. But hey, that's just me. This WAR on global warming and the attendent " fight" required takes away from more serious problems-problems where we as a race can have an effect as Mark Steyn says above. Oh, and of course this War Crimes idea is

an insult to the Holocaust and worthy of a criminal proceding itself. Hey Al knock off the wholesale (100s of) private jet trips all over the planet -Cannes included-and the running of what, 5 huge homes on the  map. I don't jump on anybody for using their homes and jets, that is their business--unless they make a hypocritical point of telling others to take a bus to work or some such absurdity. Do your part Al stay home and put a sock in it.

*LOL* Bless.

What cracks me up is everyone is so fixated on this "global warming" thing. Instead of focusing our attention on the things we can actually make a dent in (such as pollution, recycling, conservation, etc) we're getting this global warming stuff crammed up our butts every five seconds. Global warming is such a misnomer anyhow. We're seeing climate shifts, but that's about it. There's nothing to prove (or disprove) that the changes and shifts we see aren't caused by the normal cycles of this planet. It's just not that exact of a science at this point. What is more of an exact science are things like water pollution, smog, landfills, deforestation, etc. Things we should be focusing on. But the more Al and his pals carry on about the Dreaded Global Warming, the less interested people become overall in environmental science because you can only take so many half- and false-truths before you just stop listening altogether. Thanks Al. Thanks a heap.

~ Amanda

"Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave..."

To quote my good friends Trey Parker and Matt Stone on this very subject:

We didn't listen!!

Kelly

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Pulling up a dead thread here....smile crossed my face this morning when I saw Drudge:

BLEW IT: HURRICANE PREDICTIONS OFF-TRACK;QUIETEST SEASON IN DECADE

And there's a picture of Al standing in front of a video of Katrina as another example of global warming.

And then just down the page are 3 articles about his movie, and 2 other stories predicting doom and gloom this past hurricane season.

GORE'S TRUTH SPLITS HURRICANE SCIENTISTS

NORTHEAST IS STARING DOWN THE BARREL OF A GUN

ONE IN SIX AMERICANS COULD BE AFFECTED BY 2006 HURRICANE SEASON

There was plenty more stories about the threatening 2006 Season which was nothing.

There's two things we can learn from this (if not more):

1. Just because we had 1 season of bad weather (any season) doesn't mean it's global warming

2. We don't understand our environment and weather and climate as well as some people tend to think (ie AlGore) 

Jordan .

And while watching tv this morning, I happened to see an advertisement reminding us that Al Gore's DVD of his Global Warming Warning Film is now available on DVD.  What a perfect Christmas gift! 

There's a nice companion piece that I'd recommend but it's a book -- "Chicken Little Agenda: Debunking 'Experts' Lies" by Robert G Williscroft.

I heard him interviewed last week and thought he put things into proper perspective in the face of all the Gory Catastrophic Expectations being promulgated these days.  I think this obsession with the imminent destruction of Momma Earth is a 'convenient' repository for all the free floating anxieties of the 21st century, most of which are not so easily dealt with.

Susan

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“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

In Australia, Bob Carter is a well-known climate change skeptic. However, his area of expertise is as a geology researcher and he takes a personal interest in climate change.

As you all most likely know, like the US, Australia is governed by conservative administration. They are the only nations not to sign the Kyoto protocol. Interestingly, Bob Carter was appointed by Australia's Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell in 2005 to adjudge the Australian Government Peter Hunt Eureka Prize for Environmental Journalism. He is also a member of the Insitute of Public Affairs, a right-wing corporate funded think tank in Melbourne. The Institute for Public Affairs has close links with the conservative government, its executive director John Roskam having run for preselection for a number of elections.

Carter is also a member of the Australian Environment Foundation, which is an affiliate organisation of the Institute of Public Affairs. Notably, the address and phone numbers for this organisation are identical to the Victorian Office of the logging industry front group, Timber Communities Australia. The Australian Environment Foundation described its values as 'pro-biotechnology, nuclear power, pro-modern farming, pro-economic growth, pro-business and pro-environment.'

On the website scienceblogs.com, since impugning Gore, Carter has earned the tag 'an embarrassment to Australian science'. 

Beauty is momentary in the mind -
The fitful tracing of a portal;
But in the flesh it is immortal.
The body dies; the body's beauty lives.
So evenings die, in their green going,
A wave, interminably flowing.
So gardens die, their meek breath scenting
the cowl of winter, done repenting.
So maidens die, to the auroral
Celebration of a maiden's choral.
Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings
Of those white elders; but, escaping,
Left only Death's ironic scraping.
Now in its immortality, it plays
On the clear viol of her memory,
And makes a constant sacrement of praise.

('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)

Ross Gelbspan, journalist and author, wrote a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine which was very critical of Lindzen and other global warming skeptics. In the article, Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."

In November 2004, climate change skeptic Richard Lindzen was quoted saying he'd be willing to bet that the earth's climate will be cooler in 20 years than it is today. When British climate researcher James Annan contacted him, however, Lindzen would only agree to take the bet if Annan offered a 50-to-1 payout. Subsequent offers of a wager were also refused by Pat Michaels, Chip Knappenberger, Piers Corbyn, Myron Ebell, Zbigniew Jaworowski, Sherwood Idso and William Kininmonth. At long last, however, Annan has persuaded Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev to take a $10,000 bet. "There isn't much money in climate science and I'm still looking for that gold watch at retirement," Annan says. "A pay-off would be a nice top-up to my pension."

- See www.sourcewatch.org

Beauty is momentary in the mind -
The fitful tracing of a portal;
But in the flesh it is immortal.
The body dies; the body's beauty lives.
So evenings die, in their green going,
A wave, interminably flowing.
So gardens die, their meek breath scenting
the cowl of winter, done repenting.
So maidens die, to the auroral
Celebration of a maiden's choral.
Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings
Of those white elders; but, escaping,
Left only Death's ironic scraping.
Now in its immortality, it plays
On the clear viol of her memory,
And makes a constant sacrement of praise.

('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)

QUOTE:

Roy Spencer, principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, wrote an open letter to Gore criticizing his presentation of climate science in the film:

“…Temperature measurements in the arctic suggest that it was just as warm there in the 1930's...before most greenhouse gas emissions. Don't you ever wonder whether sea ice concentrations back then were low, too?”- Roy Spencer wrote in a May 25, 2006 column.

Roy Spencer. Ol'Roy, roy boy.

Roy is a former evolutionist who saw the light and became a creationist. He is a member of and contributing writer to the Heartland Institute who received the following donations from ExxonMobil:

1997
$unknown Mobil Corporation
Source: Heartland material, present at 3/16/97 conference

1998
$30,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: ExxonMobil 1998 grants list

2000
$115,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990

2001
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Annual Report

2002
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Annual Report

2003
$7,500 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
19th Aniversary Benefit Dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report

2003
$85,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report

2004
$10,000 Exxon Corporation
Climate Change Activities
Source: Exxon Giving Report 2004

2004
$15,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change Efforts
Source: Exxon Giving Report 2004

2004
$75,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: Exxon Giving Report 2004

2005
$29,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 DIMENSIONS Report (Corporate Giving)

2005
$90,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 DIMENSIONS Report (Corporate Giving)

Credibility +++++

Royboy is also a member of and contributing writer to George C. Marshall Institute (or GMI to be short and cute) who received the following donations from ExxonMobil:

1999
$50,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
'support for science and public policy education programs'
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 1999 IRS 990

2000
$50,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
general support
Source: ExxonMobil Foundation 2000 IRS 990

2001
$60,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
'climate change work'
Source: ExxonMobil 2001 Annual Report

2002
$80,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
'global climate change program'
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Annual Report

2002
$10,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Awards Dinner
Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Annual Report

2003
$95,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Global Climate Change Program
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report

2004
$25,000 Exxon Corporation
Awards Dinner -- Climate Change Activities
Source: Exxon Giving Report 2004

2004
$145,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change
Source: Exxon Giving Report 2004

2005
$90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 DIMENSIONS Report (Corporate Giving)

2005
$25,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
Awards Dinner and General Operating Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2005 DIMENSIONS Report (Corporate Giving)

He is also a ... wait for it ... roundtable member of Tech Central Science Foudation who received the following modest donation from ... ExxonMobil:

2003
$95,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
Climate Change Support
Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report

Here finally is an a quote from Spencer ... some of you will feel he is spot on the money ... well, re: the above, none of us can disagree with that. Here it is, claiming that evolutionism is a religion:

Does not classical evolutionism, based almost entirely upon faith, violate the same clause? More importantly, what about the establishment clause of the First Amendment, which states that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion?

If the public school system insists on teaching evolution as a theory of origins, in the view of many a religious activity, why is it discriminating against the only other theory of origins, intelligent design? (There is, by the way, no third theory of origins that anyone has ever been able to determine.) At the very least, school textbooks should acknowledge that evolution is a theory of origins, it has not been proved, and that many scientists do not accept it.

Beauty is momentary in the mind -
The fitful tracing of a portal;
But in the flesh it is immortal.
The body dies; the body's beauty lives.
So evenings die, in their green going,
A wave, interminably flowing.
So gardens die, their meek breath scenting
the cowl of winter, done repenting.
So maidens die, to the auroral
Celebration of a maiden's choral.
Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings
Of those white elders; but, escaping,
Left only Death's ironic scraping.
Now in its immortality, it plays
On the clear viol of her memory,
And makes a constant sacrement of praise.

('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)

Ball is a contributing writer to Tech Central above.

Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).

Previously, Ball has been identified as a Canadian climate change sceptic who is a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry- backed organization, Friends of Science Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian think tank.

Re: NRSP. According to an October 16, 2006 CanWest News article, journalist Peter O'Neill asked Harris about who financially backs the NRSP. O'Neill reported that, according to Harris, "a confidentiality agreement doesn't allow him to say whether energy companies are funding his [the NRSP] group." [22] Subsequently, Harris stated that there was no "confidentiality agreement". He also insisted that "it is normal for non-profit entities like NRSP to protect the privacy of supporters by not publicizing contributions." "This is necessary given the nature of the issues we address and the fact that most people do not want to be harassed by lobbyists for support of our activities," he wrote in an edit to an earlier version of this article. However, Harris declined to indicate any instance of where disclosure of funders had led to harassment or why secrecy of corporate contributions was appropriate.

Re: Friends of Science. In an August 12, 2006, The Globe and Mail feature, the Friends of Science were exposed as being a front group organized by APCO Worldwide for the oil industry.

Re: Frontier Centre for Public Policy. "The Centre does not accept any funding from governments to maintain its independent and fresh perspective on public policy," FCPP states on its website. "Independent think tanks receive their funding exclusively from non-governmental sources." In 2002, 59% of its budget came from unspecified "private charitable foundations" with another 25% from companies. According to its 2003 Annual Report, the annual income for the organisation was just over $C370,000.

Ahhh ... I've had enough of this. Anyone wants to investigate it further, just punch their names into Google and go for your life.

Beauty is momentary in the mind -
The fitful tracing of a portal;
But in the flesh it is immortal.
The body dies; the body's beauty lives.
So evenings die, in their green going,
A wave, interminably flowing.
So gardens die, their meek breath scenting
the cowl of winter, done repenting.
So maidens die, to the auroral
Celebration of a maiden's choral.
Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings
Of those white elders; but, escaping,
Left only Death's ironic scraping.
Now in its immortality, it plays
On the clear viol of her memory,
And makes a constant sacrement of praise.

('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)

Until Freshly Squeezed (and a couple of others) what we have here are a bunch of self satisfied (in every meaning of the phrase) conservatives spewing the same tired rhetoric about how global warming is junk science. All the oil industry sponsored artices you cut and paste, all the paid oil industry sources you cite all lead to the same pile of oil industry crap. Yawn. Sorry folks but you are wrong as usual. This is a very real problem. Who agrees? Why the only Republican to win a governor-ship in a "blue" state by a long margin-Arnold Schwarzenegger! He even said that we should ignore people like Jordan, Susan, Raymond and the others as people who don't know what they are talking about! I heard him say that global warming is a scientifically verified phenom and that we should start to do something about it. But then Arnie is a servant of the people and not of Exxon Mobile. So there.

Keep in mind that that arch-conservative, Ronald Wilson Reagan was 666 to the far right when it came to wanting to completely do away with nuclear weapons- as worthy a goal as any. I remember Bob Novac (sp) made fun of Ray Gun Ronnie plenty of times on TV. But if you listened to ol' Bob (wait a minute! was Leland Palmer in the White House) he said really stupid things like, Prez Reagan shouldn't worry about nuclear weapons. Novac even said that nuclear weapons couldn't do that much damage! Hey Susan, speaking of Reefer Madness...

Reefer Madness, eh?  It seemed more like simple meandering madness filled with loosey goosey connections signifying nothing.

But Arnold, whom I voted for twice, rarely singles out Jordan, Raymond and me, contrary to the information you seem to hearing, RB.

I really do need a cuppa coffee.  Maybe that post will come crystal clear to me afterward.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

Now don't go deleting that, Erwin!  The truth is the truth and I thank you for it.  It's just that I had forgotten all about those statements until you dug them up!  I should've Googled it myself, but thanks for doing it for me.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin