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1. Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:05 AM
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I know this will make Andrew crazed but so be it.  This is stunning to me that something like so-called "honor" killings take place in civilzed nations in 2006.  Thankfully this monster, the victim's own brother, was found guilty but I wonder how long his sentence will be.  His co-conspirator, the woman's father is supposedly hiding out in Pakistan, where, if he were caught and tried for such a 'crime' might be punished as severely as a 5 months suspended sentence! 

I don't know if the same type of thing is occurring within the US.  Can't say that I've heard about it, if it is.  I wonder what the Muslim clerics and Muslim press in England are saying about this?  Perhaps it is something along the lines of, "We condemn all killing of innocent female relatives regardless if it is done by Israelis or otherwise."

Is this subject too indelicate to comment upon?  Cultural norms versus other cultural norms?  Who's to judge this as criminal?

Susan 


The Times     June 17, 2006

Sister is stabbed to death for loving the wrong man

By Steve Bird
Children were made to watch an attack on a woman who was forbidden to marry outside her caste

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Samaira Nazir was murdered by her brother and his cousin.
Her father, allegedly involved in the attack, is in hiding
  


A BUSINESSMAN is facing a life sentence for stabbing his sister to death in front of his two young daughters in a so-called honour killing.

Azhar Nazir, 30, and his cousin, 17, used four knives to cut Samaira Nazir’s throat and repeatedly stab her after she fell in love with an asylum-seeker from what they saw as an unsuitable caste.

Miss Nazir, 25, had rejected suitors lined up to meet her in Pakistan and had been summoned to the family home in Southall, Middlesex.

The father, also called Azhar, Nazir and the youth launched the attack and at one point dragged her by her hair back into the property.

Miss Nazir, a businesswoman described as “strong-willed”, was heard to shout at her mother, Irshad Begum: “You are not my mother any more.” She was then held down as a scarf was tied around her neck and her throat was cut in three places. Nazir’s daughters, aged 2 and 4, were screaming and were splattered with blood. Police fear that they were ordered to watch as a warning to them. Neighbours called the police after hearing the screaming.

Nazir was found guilty yesterday of murdering his sister; a day after his cousin, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was convicted for his part in the murder. They were remanded in custody and will be sentenced at the Old Bailey in London next month.

The court was told that the 17-year-old believed that Miss Nazir had become a victim of black magic at the hands of Mr Mohammad, an Afghan asylum-seeker. Nazir denied murder but told police that his sister “had to be stopped”.

The father was also charged with the murder but fled to Pakistan, where he has gone into hiding. Charges against the mother were later dropped.

The court was told that Nazir and his father ran Rana Brothers, a successful grocery store on Southall Broadway. The son also owned a recruitment company, S & F Staffing, which supplied workers for the Hilton hotel chain and had made Miss Nazir a director.

She was articulate and well-educated and had studied travel and tourism at Thames University. She was described as the brightest in the family.

She clashed with her family when she told them that she wanted to marry Mr Mohammad, who become known to the family after he came to the country illegally.

After the couple fell in love,Mr Mohammad tried to ingratiate himself with the family by arranging to bring the 17-year-old cousin to Britain from Pakistan. Mr Mohammad and Miss Nazir kept their affair secret for years.

He told jurors: “We were as boyfriend and girlfriend for about five or six years. But we couldn’t tell her family because Samaira said her father was a very strict man who would not allow any female in his family to marry outside of his caste or tribe. We had discussed marriage. Samaira wanted to tell her family herself. Her father was very upset and said I was only after their money.”

When the couple announced their engagement, Mr Mohammad, who ran a stall selling phone cards, said the father went at him with a knife and threatened to kill him.

In April last year Miss Nazir was summoned to the home to be killed to protect the family’s honour. As she screamed for help one neighbour banged on the front door, but the father emerged claiming that his daughter was having a fit.

When police arrived they found a trail of blood from the front of the house to the back door and then to the hallway where Miss Nazir’s body was slumped in a pool of blood.

The amount of blood on the children suggested that they were only feet from the attack. A neighbour spotted Miss Nazir’s bloodstained arm emerge momentarily from the front door before she was dragged back inside and the door slammed shut.

She received 18 stab wounds and three cuts to her throat.
 


     
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2. Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:10 PM
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This is sadly common all over Europe. Women hiding in safehouses from their family, who have appointed one male member the task of killing their own blood relative. It's hard to call such a culture anything but backwards and primitive.

Just remember it's your man Bush who in the recent past has called for Turkey to be accepted as a member of the EU, although I do applaud him for creating the world's largest marine wildlife sanctuary in Hawaii earlier this week.


 Common?  Not in my neck of the woods.

Yes, it does make me slightly crazed.  Not because this was defensible, but because you are on the lookout for every  Muslim individual (of the worlds many millions, perhaps billions) who has comitted a crime, with an eye of highlighting it, in order to insinuate that something which is a matter of the lottery of birth for many millions, perhaps billions of people is inferior to your own pedigree, in order that your tribe can more easily justify dominating their tribe.

In other words, it is propaganda.


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3. Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:27 PM
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Nothing like clarity of thought, Andrew. I understand that is your take.

But my tribe?  Not sure which that is. 

Susan


     
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4. Friday, July 14, 2006 8:53 AM
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Follow up on this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5179162.stm


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5. Friday, July 14, 2006 9:52 AM
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And her cowardly monster of a father, who orchestrated the murder as sure as Chuck Manson arranged for the murders committed by his "family" -- what happened to him?

Miss Nazir's father was arrested and bailed during the investigation but fled to Pakistan.

Her repulsively non-maternal mother who facilitated her daughter's brutal murder -- free as a bird.

Wonder if mom will visit her loving son and nephew in prison?

Wonder if mom will move back to Pakistan to be with the old man?

Wonder if all's forgiven?

Some tough choices for all concerned. Well, except for brother Nazir. He'll just have to decide what TV show to watch or which page of the Koran to read each day. For the rest of his life. Or 20 years, whichever comes first, I guess. Let's see, 20 years will make the brother 50 years of age when he's released with still plenty of time to murder (or merely arrange in a fatherly way) his own daughters.

The 17 year-old cousin's so called life sentence is a "minimum of 10 years in a juvenile facility" making it a possibility that he could be released at the ripe old age of 27 after serving his "life sentence."

Please tell me they don't offer "good behavior" sentencing reductions for criminals like this! One wonders why they term 10 years or 20 years a "life sentence."  Oh well, I guess it's justice on some level.  In Pakistan fellows like this usually end up with 6 months parole.


Susan


     
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