gotta question about the one armed man in tp fwwm, after the killing of laura, ronette is left behind, badly beaten. just wondered why the one armed man did not go back to help her? just wondering. was he afraid to go back?

Good question.  My guess is that it's because Ronette's fate wasn't his to interfere with.  Maybe he knew she'd survive, or that he was afraid she knew too much.

Mike is the vehicle to give Laura the ring (which still confuses me) and Ronette just doesn't figure into the equation. 

Inhabiting spirits seem to be very specific in their actions.  If they commit good or evil deeds, it's usually focused on one person at a time.  That's just my take. 

What I want to know is why BOB/Leland took Ronnette to the traincar in the first place? 

I suppose BOB took Ronette to the traincar,because his plan was to possess Laura(to inhabit Laura's body) and Ronette to be the first victim of Laura/BOB.

But why the traincar? Is there some significance to this location? I don't know...maybe something happened to Leland there when he was a child...?

I always thought he took the girls to the train car because it was a very secluded abandoned place, so they wouldn't be bothered. How does Leland/BOB knew about the train car, I don't know. Perhaps he went to the woods to study a good place to kill her and found the train car.

As for Ronette, I always thought he took her with them because she saw him at the cabin, she would be a witness, so he had to kill her too.

I always thought he took the girls to the train car because it was a very secluded abandoned place, so they wouldn't be bothered. How does Leland/BOB knew about the train car, I don't know. Perhaps he went to the woods to study a good place to kill her and found the train car.

As for Ronette, I always thought he took her with them because she saw him at the cabin, she would be a witness, so he had to kill her too.

 And because threesomes are HOT!!!

When Leland takes the girls to the traincar it is very dark.  We see a flashlight moving through the trees and then we see everyone's faces coming towards us.  Who is holding flashlight at this point? It is an eerie view for sure, and I don't want to assume it is a mistake. 

When Leland takes the girls to the traincar it is very dark.  We see a flashlight moving through the trees and then we see everyone's faces coming towards us.  Who is holding flashlight at this point? It is an eerie view for sure, and I don't want to assume it is a mistake. 

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An abandoned train car is a good place to be when you've got nowhere left to go...

gotta question about the one armed man in tp fwwm, after the killing of laura, ronette is left behind, badly beaten. just wondered why the one armed man did not go back to help her? just wondering. was he afraid to go back?

Mike was most likely down-spirited and defeated when he realised BOB had done the deed, and killed Laura - hence, Mike failed in his aim to stop him. That's why he stumbles away in a daze from the scene, he's shocked and overwhelmed by what has taken place. (Ronette means nothing to him, the main thing was that he save Laura). I theorize that perhaps he was safe-guarding the Owl Ring so Laura would not get into the Black Lodge and appease the Black Lodge spirits, and hence, when he tried to pull Ronette out, the ring accidently came off his hand. Then, Laura instantly recognized it as the means to prevent BOB from possessing her and put it on. 

Factor this in later when we see Mike and the dwarf ("the arm"), sitting in the Red Room and demanding their share of the "pain and sorrow" from BOB. Again, Mike is trying to undermine BOB's power by using his authority over his familiar. (Note the look of loathing in BOB's face when he sees them, and the odd tension Lynch gives the scene).

I imagine that perhaps latter developments of the storyline would have expanded on the nature of the conflict and relationship between BOB and Mike.   

But Mike wasn't trying to save Laura.

In the FWWM shooting script, Mike is laughing whilst the attack is going on. He shouts "That's his his own Daughter you're making him kill!" or something to that effect, then continues laughing.

Mike's intentions and standpoint have always been one of the more confusing aspects of Twin Peaks for me.

I read the script just after the film was released and was traumatised because I'd assumed Mike was trying to save Laura. My nerves were already frayed and it pushed me over the edge - haha! Al Strobel told Wrapped In Plastic Mike only wanted to stop Bob, not help Laura. Maybe that's why the dialogue about Leland killing his own daughter was left out - it pushes the character in the other direction. I think he's supposed to be pretty neutral. DL also filmed Mike putting out candles (in the train car?) and saying "Fire Walk With Me" in Lodge speak. Does anybody know anything else about that? I wish the scene in the train car had included the candles, the mound of soil, and the scrap of paper. It's one of the elements that made me fall in love with Twin Peaks. I also love the way the words Fire Walk With Me sound. Phonetically there's something very beautiful about it. According to the series the murder took over an hour. I know a longer death scene would have been too much in the context of the film but the ritual fascinates me and I want answers (read deleted scenes) damn it! Lol.

Hang on, ao Mike wanted to stop Bob... but not save Laura But then again as we saw in the series, Mike never amounted to much use save for pointing Cooper in the right direction... perhaps he was unsure he could control his murderous rages despite his noble quest to stop Bob? (This would tie in with him gleefully shouting "That's his daughter!" and laughing, and then demanding his share of the garmbozia with his "arm" - thereby making him whole). Mike may have "looked into the face of his God" and rejected his killing ways, but perhaps ultimately he still needed the same power as Bob to survive and endure.  

Apparently it's because they're divine and people are of no concern to them. They don't have the same motivations as humans. The garmonbozia thing's confusing. According to Robert Engels there was talk of Mike and Bob being from a planet of corn and Sheriff Truman would have to drive them through a cornfield to a portal that would take them home. It's in the Robert Engels issue of Wrapped In Plastic.  

The whole 'garmonbozia' thing confused the shit out of me, can anyone tell me what all that was about??

The whole 'garmonbozia' thing confused the shit out of me, can anyone tell me what all that was about??

 Garmonbozia's a kind of food for the lodge people.I think it represents the pain and sorrow of the victims,and somehow they(the lodgers) turn it into 'garmonbozia' and this is what feed them.That's what I think at least.

it's really not that complicated. BOB and the LMFAP feed on fear, hence if you produce fear while in the BL u are vulnerable. deputy Hawk said so in one episode.. something like "If u meet your shadowself in the BL with imperfect courage it will utterly anihilate your soul.." It is the very nature of the BL.. fear is the key. It's really a brilliant concept.

P.S. garmonbozia is the substance, extracted from fear.

P.S. garmonbozia is the substance, extracted from fear.

 yeah...that can be possible,too.

it's correct.

it's correct.

 Nothing in Twin Peaks is right or wrong  And that's the best thing about it - everyone can come up with their own ideas and theories :)

Yikes...much weirdness!

omg ti si ot BG, drasni 1 pm i se predstavi :) ot kyde si etc..

I suppose so, but some things can hardly be put under question, i really think this is one :) Guess we got a bit offtopic...

Da,ot BG sym ;) nqma nishto chudno ! ima mnogo fenove na TP i ot Bulgaria,ako vlizash v bg foruma na filma,znachi me znaesh koq sym ;)

 Little Mike ...yeah everything is so damn weird...and that's why I love Lynch,his movies and ideas!Just great!

Uh... I thought garmonbozia was extracted from blood, not fear. BOB wanted to "harvest" garmonbozia, using Laura. Somehow by making him kill Laura, who he wanted to possess, Mike and MFAP turned the tables on BOB, and they got the garmonbozia instead. At least that's what I think