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| 51. Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:52 AM |
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The Sufis are a single digit percentage of Muslims, so yeah. They are kind of the Hippie Muslims, if you will,... will you ?.
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| 52. Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:51 PM |
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and of course you have the Alevis in Turkey .. they seem to make a rather large group (when you compare it to the Indonesian Jews, which is basically the Levi family) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevites
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| 53. Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:22 PM |
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Boy, what a tangled web! This part was interesting to me... The oppression reached its dénouement in Sivas on 2 July 1993, when 36 people (Alevis, leftist non-Alevi intellectuals, and a Dutch anthropologist) attending a cultural conference were burned to death in a hotel by Sunni locals. Attending the conference was a left-wing Turkish intellectual Aziz Nesin who was vastly hated amongst the Sunni Turkish community as it was he who attempted to publish Salman Rushdie's controversial novel Satanic Verses, in Turkey. The Sunni locals in Sivas, after attending Friday prayers in a near by mosque, marched to the hotel in which the conference was taking place and set the building on fire. The Turkish government sees this incident as being aimed at Aziz Nesin only, yet most agree that the target was really the Alevis because many of the Alevi victims in the fire were very important artists and musicians. One musician, Hasret Gültekin, the most important and influential baglama saz player in modern time was also killed in this fire. Gültekin is still considered a great loss for Turkish culture all over the world by Alevis and otherwise. The response from the security forces at the time and afterwards was weak. The assault took 8 hours without a single intervention by the police and military. Alevis and most intellectuals in Turkey argue that the incident was triggered by the local government as flyers and leaflets were published and given out for days before the incident. The Turkish government refers to the Sivas Madimak Hotel incident as an attack towards the intellectuals but refuses to see it as an incident directed towards Alevis.
I remember making a point of buying a copy of Satanic Verses after the fatwa and then being surprised that it seemed so unshocking. Almost like a Mo-toon seems innocuous and hardly worthy of death sentencing, it was an early bit of education for me. Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 54. Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:06 PM |
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UK polling data . British authorities believe as many as 3,000 veterans of al Qaeda's training camps over the years were born or raised in Britain. U.K. polling data showed almost 200,000 British Muslims approved the July 7, 2005, subway and bus terrorist attacks. A quarter of Britain's 1.8 million Muslims -- or some 450,000 people -- are sympathetic to violent jihad (holy war). A third, or 600,000, said they would rather live under Shariah, or Islamic law, than British law. Half a million sympathetic to violent jihad. ouch. And: Disillusioned Muslim youngsters are increasingly attached to the global Muslim community via the Internet -- and are angry at what they consider the anti-Muslim policies of the local government where they live.
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| 55. Friday, August 25, 2006 7:03 AM |
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I just don't believe it. I can't believe it.
An Inverted Pyramid of Piffle
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| 56. Friday, August 25, 2006 9:20 AM |
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Polls can be wrong. The samples , the way questions are asked , etc. Just playing around with Susan's numbers above and assuming the UK poll being indicative of the greater European Muslims ---17 million Euro Muslims want Sharia law established, and about 6 million EuroMuslims approve of the 7/7 bombings.
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| 57. Friday, August 25, 2006 12:21 PM |
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It would be interesting to see what the different Euro Muslims see as 'Sharia law'.
From personal expirience Muslims tend to see that very differently .. which brings me to a great weapon; divide and concur
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| 58. Friday, August 25, 2006 1:08 PM |
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That is interesting Jazz, I guess it depends on where they come from, and that important blood feud centuries old between Sunnis and Shiites ?
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| 59. Friday, August 25, 2006 2:25 PM |
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Oh so many things divide the Muslims Raymond, they are pretty much like individuals in a way :-)
A lot can't stand the physical torture that's aprt of Sharia, others can't stand other things from it.
Bottom line is, they are divided to the extreme, and they only feel a unity through having one enemy; The US and Israël.
That's a unity based on hate, that is a strong unity but it won't last, it never really did.
We must 'play' with this fact.
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