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| 1. Monday, August 21, 2006 2:14 PM |
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Does anyone here read them? I started reading them at the beginning of this year, seeking something else instead of regular fiction. You know, with nothing but words. I've gotten: Black Hole, Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth, The Filth, Acme Novelty Library, Ripple: A Predilection for Tina, and Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron. What they have in common is that they all (except for The Filth) are considered Alternative comics. Though I guess maybe The Filth is right on the edge between mainstream and alternative, I don't know. I read a couple of Spiderman and X-Men comics back in the '90s, and they just didn't appeal to me,
Not sure if this is a good first post, but it will at least get things started.
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| 2. Monday, August 21, 2006 9:19 PM |
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Love 'em though I've not read all that many. I have the trilogy called Persepolis 1, Persepolis 2 and Embroideries by Marjane Satrapi. Ice Haven by Daniel Clowes and Maus 1 and 2 by Art Spiegelman. Susan
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| 3. Monday, August 21, 2006 9:48 PM |
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I have one of the Acme books, and I read my roommate's Jimmy Corrigan a while back. I love Chris Ware's work as far as I've seen. I'm in an Alan Moore phase right now; I've read Watchmen and re-read V For Vendetta, I'm trying to get my hands on From Hell, and I'm pruriently awaiting Lost Girls. In the past I have pretty good memories of the first couple of Neil Gaiman's Sandman books, the first four or five of The Invisibles by Grant Morrison, the intro book of Tank Girl by Jamie Hewlett, and the core series of Elfquest by the Pinis.

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| 4. Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:48 AM |
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| QUOTE: I have one of the Acme books, and I read my roommate's Jimmy Corrigan a while back. I love Chris Ware's work as far as I've seen. the first four or five of The Invisibles by Grant Morrison,
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The Acme Novelty book I have is the big huge one, and after reading it and seeing a glimpse of what he's doing next, Rusty Brown, I really don't have any interest in following him anymore.
Jimmy Corrigan is probably one of the best and simultaneously the most over-rated graphic novel I've read. While the story itself easily could be a regular book, the way it is told is in a way that utilises the comic form excellently. It's not my favorite though, Like a velvet glove (Daniel Clowes) followed by Ripple (Dave Cooper) are the ones I return to again and again.
The Filth that I mentioned in my first post is by Grant Morrison, it's not as big as The Invisibles, and when read as a collection it doesn't really come together. There are some really interesting parts in it though, like Anders Klimakks, the pornstar that has black semen, and later giant sperm over Los Angeles. It's my second to least favorite, after Black Hole.
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| 5. Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:12 PM |
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What is that one book made into a film with a title about "Art School" by Daniel Clowes (I think)? I had seen a review with a page from the book which cracked me up. Art school drop-out, Susan
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| 6. Tuesday, August 22, 2006 3:58 PM |
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That was Art School Confidential, and it was just a couple of pages long. It can be found in the 20th Century Eighball collection. And of course in the screenplay book released at the time of the movie's release.
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| 7. Saturday, September 2, 2006 5:14 AM |
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I really totally rate the "Preacher" novels by Ennis and Dillon; fantastic story, great characters, and a nice self-contained set of 10 books with a consistent single story running through them all. I enjoyed reading this so much, I wonder that I've never picked up any other graphic novels, so I'm interested in this thread for some suggestions as to what else I might try... I thought before that graphic novels would be like books-lite; however, my experience with Preacher was very different. The images added much more to the story than I thought, and the way I read them was different to a novel. The experience felt half-way between reading a book and watching a film, very powerful. Devilish
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| 8. Saturday, September 2, 2006 8:22 AM |
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| QUOTE: I'm interested in this thread for some suggestions as to what else I might try... | I really would recommend Like a Velvet Glove cast in Iron by Daniel Clowes to everyone reading this. It's only 142 pages so it hardly reaches the scope of Preacher, if that's what you're looking for.
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| 9. Thursday, September 7, 2006 2:36 PM |
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My favorite I've read recently was Epileptic by David B., also enjoyed The Originals, Ice Haven and Billy Hazelnuts
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| 10. Thursday, September 7, 2006 5:03 PM |
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Is Ice Haven worth reading? I'm itching to read something else by Clowes, but I don't know what. I also hesitate when something that is only 88 pages long costs as much as the paperback of Jimmy Corrigan, which is almost 300 pages longer.
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| 11. Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:58 AM |
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Here’s your chance to be immortalized in literary history! Bid on a once in a lifetime opportunity to be a character in an upcoming comic strip by Chris Ware. In his own words, here is what he is offering:
"The appearance in name and approximate drawn likeness, either as a 'supporting character' or more forthright personna, of the auction's 'winner' in an upcoming comic strip by the author/cartoonist, to appear sometime before the end of 2008 in serial (probably newspaper) form, and later to be reprinted in collected form at an unspecified, and probably quite alarmingly later, date."
"I'll be happy to send a signed copy of the strip in which the person appears (which will likely be in the local weekly newspaper) but only on the proviso that the person in question doesn't get mad or otherwise grow to despise me if their likeness is construed as satirical, incorrect, unflattering or in any way unliterary. I'll do my best, however, to maintain veracity and allegiance to the general rules of propriety (unless, of course, the winner offends me, in which case he/she may appear as any variety of disagreeable and distasteful ruffian.) The winner should also realize that if his or her character ends up contributing significantly to the development of said story that the author/cartoonist cannot be held liable for any confusion, affront or life complication said appearance might subsequently engender."
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Just $3,350.00.
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| 12. Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:32 PM |
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Here's something that maybe at least nuart would be interested in: Persepolis the movie. It's French though, so maybe not. Pictures
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| 13. Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:08 PM |
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Wow, that looks great, Booth! This series of books has stayed with me. Just about daily, I think about the girls/women in her stories especially as I try to reconcile Ahmadinejad and ayatollahs in the same country as these poets, intellects and artists who are just as (and hopefully more) much a part of Iran as the former. Since Marjane lives in France, I'd expect her film to be en Francais. It is a bit surprising to learn that the great voice-over actress, Catherine Deneuve, is playing the mom though. I'd have thought they might have aimed for Shohreh Aghdashloo. Oh well, maybe Deneuve is more bankable.
Hope this is true to the essence of the book and hope it is widely distributed! Probably will be, as I see Spielberg's pal, Kathleen Kennedy, is exec. producer.
Susan
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| 14. Sunday, October 1, 2006 3:48 PM |
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I haven't read many graphic novels (they're expensive...) but I love Neil Gaiman's Sandman books (I've only read the first six volumes though), and the Maus books. Both show how graphic novels can be a totally different kind of art form from books.
That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!
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| 15. Monday, October 2, 2006 6:51 AM |
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I also have not read anything except for the Sin City series, which rocked.
If we nail this bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a pack of cards...Checkmate! - Zap Brannigan
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| 16. Saturday, November 4, 2006 9:41 PM |
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I have read Craig Thompson's wonder piece "Blankets" and currently reading Terry Moore's "Strangers In Paradise." Both I would reccomend because they honestly portray human emotions in relatively common situations.
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| 17. Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:52 PM |
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There was a really good review of a new graphic book in the NYTimes a couple weeks ago. It's called "An Anthology of Graphic Cartoons, & True Stories." The article began by discussing Time magazine's article on the best fiction from 2006 and how they wished they could say there was a breakaway cutting edge new fiction book to laud. But there were none. The NYT critic said they were overlooking the graphic novels and this was the place where fiction was shining. So yesterday I'm out doing my last bit of Christmas shopping and I catch a glimpse of Anthology. I leaf through it. It looks so good! I want to buy it but for whom? I quickly go through a mental rolodex of who on my list might want it. No one. Just me. I decide if I find another book or two to buy as gifts, then I'll include Anthology for myself. What luck! I find two other gift books for two other people and buy myself Anthology. I'm pretty sure no one else would buy it for me. I'm saving it as my Christmas gift to myself and have not yet opened it since bringing it home. Merry Christmas! Since you may no longer be able to access it without a subscription to the NYT, here's the book review: December 3, 2006 Stars and Strips
By DAVID HAJDU AN ANTHOLOGY OF GRAPHIC FICTION, CARTOONS, AND TRUE STORIES
Edited by Ivan Brunetti.
Illustrated. 400 pp. Yale University Press. $28.
Upholding its duty to officiate lay consecration in America, Time magazine recently assessed the latest candidates for anointment as the literary voice of the young generation, and the magazine found no writer worthy of the honor. “Every once in a while,” the Time book critic Lev Grossman noted, there comes a novel that “feels as current as tomorrow’s e-mail, that gives readers the story of their own secret ineffable desperation with such immediacy” that the work seems to encapsulate its era; it has the sound of its time. “Every once in a while,” Grossman reiterated, “but not lately.”
Outlining some possible reasons for this plight, the Time piece cited the industrialization of creative writing through overabundant M.F.A. programs, literary brain drain to “better-paying media with bigger audiences” like television, and the prospect that the muses are taking “a smoke break.” All these are good theories. At the same time, Ivan Brunetti’s new “Anthology of Graphic Fiction, Cartoons, and True Stories” suggests something else: that Time was simply looking in the wrong place. These days, the novel — at least the novel as we have always known it, as a long (or longish) work of prose — is scarcely the only kind of book being made by smart, imaginative young (or youngish) people. Some deeply gifted writers and artists are working to evoke not only the sound of our time, through writing, but the sights, through the union of words and drawings that Brunetti’s anthology refers to as graphic fiction and most people call comics (and sometimes spell as comix). If anyone really qualifies as the voice of the current literary generation, he or she could well be using the language of cartoons, captions and word balloons.
Of course, it has always taken time for disreputable, vernacular modes of expression to earn parity with traditional, formal ones, at least in the eyes of mainstream institutions. In 1927, the American Academy of Arts and Letters sponsored a concert to celebrate American music, and it featured, most notably, Charles Martin Loeffler’s symphonic poem “Memories of My Childhood” and Ernest Schelling’s impressionistic “Suite Fantastique.” In the “race” section of the record bins, meanwhile, enthusiasts of a new style of popular music called jazz (sometimes spelled jass) could find some recent recordings by a New Orleans composer and trumpet player, Louis Armstrong, and his bands, the Hot Five and the Hot Seven — music now recognized as masterpieces by a primary innovator, the voice of his time. Among the events that helped establish jazz as a serious art was the concert “From Spirituals to Swing,” staged at Carnegie Hall in 1938 by the impresario John Hammond. The series brought together an eclectic mix of important African-American musicians — the gospel singer Sister Rosetta Tharpe, the bluesman Big Joe Turner, the jazz artists Albert Ammons, James P. Johnson, Sidney Bechet, the Count Basie Orchestra and more — in the same hall famous for presenting Stokowski, Toscanini and their high-toned like. With this anthology, Brunetti has given us a hard-cover parallel to those Carnegie Hall concerts, a collection of works by venturesome popular artists elevated from the funky outskirts of the court by the associative power of the academy — in this case, Yale University Press.
The book is a manifesto of comics’ coming of age. Unlike several earlier anthologies of comics, including two dense volumes published by the Smithsonian (one of newspaper comics, one of comic-book stories) and a fine collection of newspaper strips compiled by the comics artist Jerry Robinson (“The Comics”), the “Anthology of Graphic Fiction, Cartoons, and True Stories” is not an overview of the history of comics from their birth in the lurid Sunday supplements of the turn of the last century through the rise of superheroes in the late 1930s to the triumph of Art Spiegelman’s Pulitzer for “Maus” in 1992. Rather, it concentrates almost solely on recent work by contemporary artists and writers doing what Brunetti calls “art comics” — personal, deeply intimate, idiosyncratic and sometimes wild comics published for the most part by independent presses. (The stories by some artists here were originally self-published and nominally distributed.) The book’s mission is not to illustrate how the art of comics has grown over the years, but to introduce the reader to that grown-up art. The book also includes a handful of specimens from deep comics history — a Sunday-newspaper page of “Krazy Kat,” one of “Gasoline Alley” and a few others, though all were chosen because they “have retained a ‘modern’ sensibility accessible to today’s reader.”
Brunetti, a comics artist and writer himself, is best known for his comic-book series “Schizo,” a hodge-podge of spare, poetic vignettes heavily influenced by Charles Schulz’s “Peanuts.” He has included only two exemplary pages of his own in the 400 pages of work by 75 artists and writers, from such prominent figures as Spiegelman, Lynda Barry, Daniel Clowes, Robert Crumb and Chris Ware, to many who have been laboring unduly in relative obscurity, like Gabrielle Bell, Debbie Drechsler, Justin Green and Richard McGuire. In his terse introduction, Brunetti explains his simple criteria for selection: “These are comics that I savor and often revisit.” This anthology is an elementally personal one. Reading it, one gets a vivid sense of Brunetti’s tastes — and, through the book’s conspicuous omissions, his distastes. He likes the funnies to be funny; we get few adventure stories — not even, among the historical selections, a panel of “Little Lulu” or Carl Barks’s “Donald Duck,” both of which were more dramatic than literally comic. He loves “Peanuts”; we find 10 pages of tributes to Schulz by contemporary artists, including Spiegelman and Ware. He is fascinated with design; we see on consecutive pages the relationship between the dark, pedophilic outsider art of Henry Darger and the manic panels of the early 20th-century newspaper strip “The Kin-der Kids.” He is indifferent, even silently hostile, to superheroes, none of whom appear anywhere in the book, aside from an ironic use of hero-comic ideas in a lovely piece, a child’s dreamscape, by Ware. While Brunetti echoes the disdain for reductive distinctions between high and low that comics defenders have employed since the critic Gilbert Seldes praised “Krazy Kat” in 1924, he imposes a hierarchy of his own. There is no question that the vast bulk of superhero comics are factory-made product, rather than works of individual expression; still, at least a few mainstream comics published in recent years — including a series of Batman stories drawn by David Mazzucchelli, who has other work in the anthology — are as artful and subtle as some stories in this book.
Aain unlike past anthologies of comics — indeed, unlike many anthologies of most kinds — this one is conceived not as a reference book but as an episodic narrative. “After much deliberation,” Brunetti explains, “I have chosen to arrange the work so that it flows smoothly, unobstructed by strict chronology.” The stories connect, one to another, with threads sewn deep: A tale of quiet despair, by Jerry Moriarty, leads to another of genteel solitude by Ben Katchor; a memoir of childlike sexless love by Chester Brown leads us to one of frantic carnal yearning by Joe Matt. This design works — so well that despite the mad variety of visual styles in the book, one comes away with an appreciation for the commonalty of serious comics today. “Graphic fiction,” whether fantastical or quotidian, bleak or giddy, begins through this book to feel very much like a movement, like art in a well-conceived gallery show or music in a well-organized festival. (I should add that it would not have undermined this effect to provide dates somewhere in the book for the works anthologized; although many pieces are dated within the art, others are printed with no hint of when they were created or originally published. If space constraints deterred Brunetti from devoting a couple of pages to this data, he could easily have cut one story — for instance, the clumsy noodling of Aline Kominsky-Crumb.)
Of the many artists in this movement, at least a few are surely worth consideration in the next vote for the literary voice of our time — although not all are under 40, if the rules are tight about age. The pages of the “Anthology” make cases for nominations for Clowes, Green, Adrian Tomine and Kim Deitch, to start: Clowes for irony so complex that it seems the very bio-system of his comic-book world; Green for his nightmare humor — nuns administer shock treatments through cross-topped metal helmets! — and sweet vulgarity; Tomine for his graceful evocation of loneliness and rage; and Deitch for her cynical romance with the past and sheer kookiness of spirit.
Now going under the name graphic fiction, no doubt temporarily, the comics are all grown up, and this anthology represents the most cogent proof since Will Eisner pioneered the graphic novel and Art Spiegelman brought long-form comics to early perfection. What other kinds of art or entertainment invented for young people ever transcended their provenance as kid stuff? Not coloring books, nor paper dolls, nor board games. There are no Etch a Sketch drawings in the Museum of Modern Art and no View-Master slides in the International Center for Photography. While it took more than a century for the medium to be accepted as suitable for adults, the fact that the comics made it here at all testifies to their resilience and adaptability.
David Hajdu is the author of “Positively Fourth Street.” His book about comics, “The Ten-Cent Plague,” will be published next year.
Susan
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| 18. Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:48 PM |
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Ivan Brunetti is a funny guy. Though his comics aren't for everone. http://www.comicartcollective.com/brunetti/
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| 19. Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:39 PM |
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I tried about two dozen of those cartoons, Booth, and was not amoozed. Maybe one needs to find themselves in a zone I'm incapable of channeling. I'm all for black humor but these examples had plenty of the requisite darkness but insufficient humor for my taste. Rethinking it, I'm sensitive to poorly executed drawing even when it's intentionally crude like this. BUT, if it's hilariously funny, then the crudeness of the illustrations is a plus. (as in South Park, which initially I couldn't watch because of the drawings were soooooo simplistic and unappealing.) Anyway, maybe it's a boy thing with Brunetti. That kind of gross-out with a thick layer of shock seems to appeal more to the male of the species, don't you think? The book, meanwhile, looks beautiful. I am not sure how many contributions were made by Ivan Brunetti except for the editing. Just checked -- there are two pages of Brunetti. One wasn't too funny -- stabbing a dying deer and the other one I didn't get. Susan
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| 20. Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:07 PM |
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| QUOTE: Anyway, maybe it's a boy thing with Brunetti. That kind of gross-out with a thick layer of shock seems to appeal more to the male of the species, don't you think? |
Actually, now that I've checked the link again, I agree with you. It was a a while ago that I checked them out and my memory must have aggrandized the funniness of them all. But I do like the "Is it in yet?" and "Nancy tryout sample 5".
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| 21. Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:50 AM |
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How about Johnny Ryan's take on classic literature? Klassic Komix Klub
There's naughty stuff in here too, so beware.
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| 22. Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:21 PM |
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QUOTE:Have you read David Boring? That's one of my favourites by Daniel Clowes.
| No, I haven't. Have you read Like a Velvet Glove cast in iron? How do they compare?
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| 23. Wednesday, February 7, 2007 11:57 AM |
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I finally got my hands on Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth by Grant Morrison. Yes, it's a Batman book, but it's also a terrific, quasi-mystical meditation on insanity. Joker is basically the most horrifying drag queen on Earth in this one, while Batman is on the edge of pyschosis throughout the story. About as dark as they come. I'd also like to read Alan Moore's The Killing Joke, but so far I've only been able to find it as part of a collection, and none of the other stories included appeal to me in the least. I know, I'm being so pedestrian reading graphic novels with superheroes in them. Sue me.
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| 24. Monday, June 25, 2007 6:31 AM |
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My local library just recently added a graphic novels section, so I picked up Jar of Fools by Jason Lutes. I was able to read it in one sitting, which was nice. The art is simplistic, b&w, and very effective at telling the story of a down-on-his-luck magician struggling to get over the death of his escape artist brother. All in all it served as a good introduction to the world of graphic novels that don't involve men in rubber bat suits.
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| 25. Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:39 PM |
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The Frank Book by Jim Woodring is magnificent. Everyone should "read" it.
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