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| 1. Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:11 PM |
| gavincallaghan |
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[from http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/1424249]: "Thursday, August 24th, 2006 Bush Administration Sues State of Maine Over NSA Inquiry The Bush administration has sued the state of Maine in an attempt to block an inquiry into Verizon’s role in the government’s domestic surveillance program. Maine’s Public Utilities Commission has requested that Verizon confirm whether it has participated in the National Security Agency’s spy program. " Maybe Bush and Co. could get lobsters officially declared to be "WMD's", and then invade the place.....
"There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution."--US District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in her ruling against the Bush administration’s warrantless surveillance program "My French is poor, but my heart is rich. I love France- the art-making, art-loving, and art-supporting people of France." -David Lynch
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| 2. Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:45 PM |
| Raymond |
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NSA warrantless wiretaps and the plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge: Evidence indicates that the bridge would've been in smithereens without the Patriot Act. The act forced the sharing of information between the federal security agencies and the NYPD, which triggered the flooding of the bridge with New York cops. Telephone intercepts indicated that the terrorist charged with destroying the bridge told his handlers that the NYPD presence made the bridge "too hot." Feds have indicated to The New York Times that the NSA wiretaps played an important role in the apprehension of Lyman Faris for his plot to destroy the bridge.
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| 3. Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:32 PM |
| danwhy |
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I was going to talk about how this guy was going to use a blowtorch (that would have worked) and how it was overseas intelligence that actually alerted US officials to him, but why bother, the political forum does not seem to require actual sources anymore or complete articles and for the most part just reads like right wing mutual masturbation with a healthy amount of left bashing, so back to your originally scheduled programming... 
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| 4. Friday, September 1, 2006 1:29 AM |
| herofix |
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| QUOTE: I was going to talk about how this guy was going to use a blowtorch (that would have worked) and how it was overseas intelligence that actually alerted US officials to him, but why bother, the political forum does not seem to require actual sources anymore or complete articles and for the most part just reads like right wing mutual masturbation with a healthy amount of left bashing, so back to your originally scheduled programming... 
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Amen, brother. I was thinking about starting a thread on that very topic yesterday, but then West Ham signed two world-class Argentinians, and I got my priorities in order.
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| 5. Friday, September 1, 2006 7:07 AM |
| Raymond |
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MEHLMAN: Well, Wolf, I don't believe that the reason we're going to maintain our majority is because of gerrymandered districts or K Street money. We're going to maintain our majority, in my opinion, because of our ideas and our commitment to reform government to serve the American people.
We're going to have a big debate, for instance, over the next month about the Patriot Act. It's for the last four years kept us safe from terrorist attacks. We believe it ought to be renewed, and the president will have that authority. Some on the other side don't.
We're going to have a big debate on the National Security Agency and the authority that's so critical that did not, before 9/11, prevent Mr. Moussaoui from engaging in what he did, but after 9/11, when it was used, it prevented the Brooklyn Bridge from being blown up. We're going to have a big debate about whether we have prosperity in this country...
BLITZER: All right. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/09/sitroom.03.html See also Max Boot L A Times and Fox News -Jim Angle reports.The quote above is from Dick Morris. Man, Danwhy trashes all the thread 's right side contributors-"masturbation"! I notice there is no Danwhy comment on the Plame case- speaking of masturbation. Jeez guy. But Keith Olberman is such a good "source" ? Hero, I know you didn't like the Muslim poll results on another thread, but I didn't make that up.You should have asked me for a link when it was posted. ( Good to see you have a sense of humor-something we could all use.)
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| 6. Friday, September 1, 2006 7:10 AM |
| jordan |
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Danwhy - geez.....I thought it was a well-known fact that the NSA program stopped the Brookyln Plot - guess not.....
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| 7. Friday, September 1, 2006 7:28 AM |
| Raymond |
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Danwhy has obviously lost it over the Plame case.  Nice blanket smear of the forum. Classy post ( with no links).
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| 8. Friday, September 1, 2006 7:26 AM |
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Frankly, I haven't seen all that much liberal bashing as of late. It's mostly been Islamic-facist bashing. And both sides of the fence have been doing that....
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| 9. Friday, September 1, 2006 8:23 AM |
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Raymond - 'Didn't like the results'? I hated them. I hated them to hell. I'm doing my best not to ever think about that again. A brain, even a very impressive specimen like mine, can only take so much, and holding two directly opposite beliefs (or rather, realising that one does) will result in an incoherance that will cause your medulla oblangata to exit your mind, down your spine, and out your behind, to paraphrase George Clinton. So, therefore, I just choose not to believe it for a second.
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| 10. Friday, September 1, 2006 8:24 AM |
| nuart |
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That was surprising! If the absence of the left in Gazetteville is any bellweather, I'd say it bodes well for the right. Remember the last time we witnessed a mass migration? Directly after the 2004 elections. Well, I shouldn't say directly. In the immediate aftermath, there were angry, hostile, bitter and over the top statements from those who hate-hate-hate Bush. It was cringe worthy. Mostly, the way I remember it, the Republicans on Board adhered to the no-gloat pledge. But still, after the days of unrestrained let if rip snark, the outraged drifted away....
So, back to today, although Danwhy's comment seems to have come out of the blue, if it truly is a reflection of how he's feeling about this forum, and not a momentary reaction unrelated to us, I can't help but be my usual optimistic self. I have to think it must be a positive sign for the Republican party, something we certainly could use these days!  But you did hurt my feelings. Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 11. Friday, September 1, 2006 9:26 AM |
| Raymond |
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OK, Hero. I think I know how you feel. I worked and socialized with a Muslim guy and his wife from Egypt. Great personality, sense of humor, a truly wonderful cat and chick. I worked with other good Muslim people. You don't want to believe those poll results because in your life you have met great folks who are Muslim. Me too. But that aside, what's with the " Amen, brother " bit ? You agree with Danwhy and his drive by hit piece ?
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| 12. Friday, September 1, 2006 9:50 AM |
| nuart |
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I don't know why I'm revisiting this. But I just reread Danwhy's words. So mean. So -- uncaring. So --- unleftie! This part is odd too... the political forum does not seem to require actual sources anymore or complete articles
????? Well, at least I know I'm not guilty of that offense. But I will add that when registering dismay, it's always helpful to cite an example or two.
PS Haha, I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the subject of Gavin's post. I know how he enjoys a good dialogue so I'll weigh in here plus include an actual source and a complete article! A Reuter's article to contrast with Gavin's fave unbiased neutral source, "Democracy Now." No mention of "President Bush the Second" here either. Gee, here I thought it was a civil suit over lobsters! This seems to me page 31 news and it is a wee bit dated but here you go...
US sues Maine officials for probe on Verizon, NSA NEW YORK, Aug 22 (Reuters) - The U.S. government sued Maine officials on Tuesday to block their demand that Verizon disclose whether it gave the government's spying program access to its customer data, documents showed. The government's civil suit, submitted by the U.S. Department of Justice to a district court in Maine, said the Maine public utilities officials' attempts to obtain information on Verizon's involvement with the National Security Agency (NSA) were "invalid". "The defendant state officers' attempts to obtain such information are invalid under the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution and are preempted by the United States Constitution and various federal statutes," the lawsuit said. Kurt Adams, chairman of the Maine Public Utilities Commission, as well as two other regulatory officials, were named in the lawsuit. Verizon's local subsidiaries were also named to prevent the company from responding to the Maine officials' demands for information. "We're just in the middle here," said Verizon spokesman Peter Thonis. The federal government has also sued the New Jersey Attorney General and Missouri utility regulators for serving similar subpoenas for information to AT&T Inc. USA Today in May reported that AT&T, BellSouth Corp and Verizon had supplied customer call records to the NSA for an anti-terrorism program, sparking protests and class action lawsuits from privacy advocates.
Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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