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| 1. Saturday, September 2, 2006 4:25 PM |
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Yeah, there are nice things to say abooooot Canada! August 31, 2006 CanadaCalm  The Magnetism of Canada According to the BBC, Passengers on a Canadian plane had an unsettling in-flight experience after the pilot found himself locked out of the cockpit after a trip to the toilet.
Some people might find that scary. But this was Canada! The article concludes with the statement of Air Canada Jazz spokeswoman Manon Stuart, “The safety and security of our passengers was never compromised.”She added that passengers had remained calm during the incident, the AFP news agency reported. What else would one expect?* *I write that with the greatest respect for Canadians, who should be counted among the nicest, most genteel people on the planet — and probably the calmest.
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| 2. Sunday, September 3, 2006 2:25 PM |
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Careful... we're starting to arm our border guards now! You may find it hard to believe, or completely insane, but until now, we haven't let them carry guns. There was a well-publicized case last year about an American escaped convict (or a pair?) who stole a car and were reportedly heading for a particular crossing at the Canadian border. Since he/they were armed and dangerous, and since our border guards aren't armed, the guards at the crossing did exactly what they were supposed to do -- they phoned the police, and abandoned their post. That's when it became really obvious that we had to change something. Our guards have been complaining about this for years. And while it still drives me nuts that Canadian Customs officials can arbitrarily decide (dependent on their mood and subjective prejudices, and with no fear of reprisal) that something is obscene and refuse to allow it into the country, I definitely think we're way overdue to have armed Customs officers at the border.

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| 3. Thursday, September 7, 2006 4:39 PM |
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...and something not so nice about Canadians. Geez, youse guys, this is harsh! It's OUR fault?! Jamie, can't you parlezvous some sense into your people?
Susan New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks A majority of Canadians believe U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, and Quebecers are quicker to criticize the U.S. administration for its international actions than other Canadians, a recent poll suggests. Those conclusions are found in a newly released poll conducted by Léger Marketing for the Association for Canadian Studies. The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreign policy for the Sept. 11 attacks. The results suggest 57 per cent in Ontario hold a similar view. When participants were given the option of choosing more than one cause for the attacks, two-thirds blamed Islamic fundamentalists and their anti-Western views, while a third pointed the finger at Israel and its position in the Middle East. Canadian opinions have hardened against the United States and its role on the world stage, said Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Association for Canadian Studies. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have contributed to a change of heart among people, he said. But Canadians are divided on whether their government should pay more attention to issues fuelling extremist organizations in the Middle East, he said. "There are a lot of people who think we should be listening closely [to extremist groups] and that there is an opportunity to dialogue with these sort of groups," said Jedwab Wednesday. "So it is showing a real ideological divide on some of these issues." There's a growing need since the Sept. 11 attacks for balanced public education about terrorism, added Jedwab. "There is a tendency to see in these movements something more romantic than actually exists. That's something we need to keep debating in the country." Léger Marketing interviewed 1,508 Canadian adults from Aug. 22 to Aug. 27. The poll results are considered accurate within 2.5 percentage points 19 times out of 20.
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| 4. Thursday, September 7, 2006 5:04 PM |
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QUOTE: Quebecers are quicker to criticize the U.S. administration for its international actions than other Canadians, |
What a shocker!
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| 5. Thursday, September 7, 2006 6:09 PM |
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And what were the actual questions in the poll? I think it's been said again and again by members of this board of all political stripes (I know it has been said by Susan and Jordan for sure) that polls can be made to look like virtually anything you want depending how the questions are asked. The line above the peaks my interest is "when more than one choice was given", does that mean in the first result only one choice was given? Would love to see the actual poll.
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| 6. Thursday, September 7, 2006 7:00 PM |
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Here's the website , Danwhy. There were two polls on the subject apparently. They download in French and English. Susan
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| 7. Thursday, September 7, 2006 7:41 PM |
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Thanks Susan, I read the whole thing through and still am unsure if I saw the actual questions asked, not sure I have a lot of faith in this poll.
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| 8. Thursday, September 7, 2006 7:49 PM |
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I was going to post this today but decided against it. The poll didn't make any sense to me when I was reading through the actual poll report. I couldn't make heads or tails out of how roughly 2/3 of Canadians could say that they blame US foreign policy and then turn around and say that they blame fundamentalist Islam. That's 130%.....so I'm not sure how they actually posed the question via phone. According to one article it seemed like they asked "Do you blame US foreign policy for 9/11?" and people said yes or no to what degree. Then they asked the next two questions. So the only thing I could come up with was that Canadians blamed US foreign policy and ISlamic fundamentalists roughly the same (except for those in Quebec who blamed the US more). This also seems very faulty of a poll too - it's 5 years after the fact and people are influenced by Afghanistan, Iraq War, etc and none of those had any bearing on causing 9/11, and yet I'm sure that these events had an influence (directly or indirectly) in how people responded. I think the more telling of the poll was how almost 50% thought we should try and understand Islamic extremists. I thought, "And do you think they would teh say the same about 'Christian extremists' too or because they aren't threantening people's lives it didn't matter?" The other side of this is that I'm still stuck with the abstractness of the reasoning - what foreign policies are so wrong? I went through the list that Osama gave us in his letter nad the majority of grievances he has against the US when it comes to foreign policies are not exclusive to US foreign policy, or were handled via the UN, and yet the US gets the blame. I really think it comes down less to foreign policy, and more towards the globalization of the world, and the fact that the US is the only superpower and the world expects and looks at the US to step up to the plate in almost all things. As a result, the US gets the brunt of the criticsm from Islamic fundamentalists while the rest of the world can blame the abstractness of "foreign policy" as the reasoning without giving any real specifics on what policies caused such hatred pre-9/11 (note I said PRE-9/11). Maybe I'm wrong and someone can give me a list of ME foreign policies that are exclusive to the US before Sept 11, 2001.
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| 9. Thursday, September 7, 2006 7:48 PM |
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Something nice about Canada? That's easy. Beautiful country. Something nice about Canadians? Hmmm...well for starters many of their attitudes are more similar to Aussies than most Americans are. Politically they might be hardcore lefty, PC extremists - but no-one's perfect.
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| 10. Friday, September 8, 2006 10:14 AM |
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The poll should be considered crap anyway because they only polled 1500 people to represent the entire population of Canada. That's a grossly-understated sample. I don't care how carefully they selected their sample (which is another beef entirely. Their sample isn't random enough), 1500 people cannot accurately represent a nation of over 32 million people. Jesus, 1500 people isn't even 1% of the population...it's .004%! And I question their data reporting methods. Overall, it's a poor poll and its results are meaningless. And no, I'm not just saying this because I'm American. I'm saying it because I get annoyed by crappy polls being passed off as accurately representing something.
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| 11. Friday, September 8, 2006 10:55 AM |
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1500 is actually higher than most pollsters do in the US. Most polls range between 500 and 1000 people as their sample. There are all sorts of varying situatiosn too. For example - polls often taken on the weekends are usually skewed toward Democrats for the most part. I'm not sure what the Canadian variables might be. As an example, Rasmussen does about 1500 for his daily "Bush Approval Rating." The same pollster used 1000 individuals for a poll regarding govt reaction to natural disasters. Over at Zogby, he has a recent poll in which he polled just over 1000 Americans. So 1500 is within the norm for polling data. Whether or not it's an accurate representation of Canadians, we don't know because they don't provide that info. A good pollster will ensure that it is.
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| 12. Friday, September 8, 2006 11:02 AM |
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As a former poll taker for the LA Times, I have to (reluctantly) disagree with my friend Amanda on the random sample being too small. For the United States of America, a country ten times the population of our wee northern neighbors, our random sampling was usually 1700. But it isn't just 1700 of the first phone numbers that come up. The samplings are developed over a long course of time and when tested against the demographics of the entire country, these 1700 individuals accurately represent the gender, religious, ethnic, racial, political affiliation, etc. That is the basic of a scientific poll. Some poll taking services have a greater accuracy rate than others, but I don't think any of them poll 1% of the population. It's not like one of us dialing random phone numbers and asking questions is all I'm saying. However none of the above answers the question: Were the questions good? Susan
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| 13. Friday, September 8, 2006 11:12 AM |
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if I could make sense of their methodology and how they asked the questions, then I think I could answer that question.
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| 14. Friday, September 8, 2006 8:23 PM |
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Actually, the scientific rule of thumb for performing studies and surveys is that you need to have a 5% sample size for your population to truly provide an accurate representation. But whatever. Maybe all my professors have been wrong. Certainly none of them were aiming for political spin. At any rate, this is just a fine example of why I put very little faith in these allegedly accurate polls. You can hand-pick your "random sample" to reflect the breakdown of your population and still manage to load the dice, as it were. And you can always use manipulatively-designed questions to get the answers you're looking for. Not to mention that phone surveys still require the person to answer the phone and agree to answer the questions. If someone refuses, well! There goes your accurate population representation, eh?
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| 15. Friday, September 8, 2006 12:00 PM |
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5%! That would mean that 1,500,000 Americans for a poll. Or if we only considered voting age, what... maybe 750,000 people polled? Likely voters in an election poll -- 300,000 people polled?
It's unpractical, too time consuming and in the end if the results of an election (for example) match up with the polls of 1500-1700, the science is proven. Or not. Susan
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| 16. Friday, September 8, 2006 2:37 PM |
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But speaking of Canada, didja hear the one about the 9/11 novelist and the risk assessment committee? What hysteria took place in Canada after 9/11? I'm afraid I was too wrapped up the US version of hysteria to notice. Sounds like one of those CSI shows that are "ripped from today's headlines." No one is safe. Safe from the risk assessment committees, that is! This is pretty funny. I'm also amoozed by the furor caused over a scheduled visit by Netanyahu in 2002. Isn't it something that Harvard can entertain the likes of Iran's Khatami but Concordia would put the skids to Netanyahu. World turned upside down. I'm going to have to check and see which campuses have banned whom as speakers. Tempest in a teapot? Susan Row over 9/11 novel at Canadian university Richard Lea Friday September 8, 2006
Guardian Unlimited Controversy over a novel depicting post-9/11 hysteria is mounting at the Canadian university where it is set. Author David Bernans was due to read from "North of 9/11" - which describes panic and an anti-Arab backlash at Montreal's Concordia University in the wake of the terrorist attacks on New York in 2001 - at a campus venue on the fifth anniversary of the attacks, but approval for the event was withdrawn by college security services. As the university vice president Michael Di Grappa explained in a letter on September 5, Bernans was sent an email at the end of July informing him that the request "had been denied by the university risk assessment committee". This committee was created in 2002 after violent protests forced the cancellation of a visit by the former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But the university now claims that the risk assessment committee - whose membership and powers have never been made clear - made no attempt to censor the author, and was not involved with the rejection of Bernans' application to hold the event. "In fact," continued Di Grappa, "this matter was never referred to the risk assessment committee." Blaming "a combination of human error and a booking system which needs to be improved", he said that Bernans was "welcome to hold [his] book reading on campus, as was the case from the beginning." Bernans - who is a graduate student at Concordia - is now scheduled to hold a reading on September 11 at a smaller venue that does not require booking through the university system. But the author is having "a hard time" in believing the university's explanation. "This kind of thing happens all the time," he said. "The risk assessment committee often bans controversial events at the last minute." PEN Canada's David Cozac is also "suspicious" of the university's explanation. "Given the recent history of Concordia," he said, "the controversial speakers that have appeared and the friction on campus, I wouldn't be surprised if David Bernans had been censored because they were wary that some kind of incident would take place." He is calling for the university to open up the workings of the risk assessment committee, a call flatly rejected by university spokeswoman Chris Mota "because when you're discussing risk that's not for public consumption". She insisted that the risk assessment committee had nothing to do with the decision to reject Bernans's application. "We had no problem with his event then, we have no problem with his event now," she said. Bernans is not convinced. "Concordia is not happy about the way that real historical events were portrayed in this novel," he claims. "It's pretty clear that the university used the 9/11 attacks as a pretext to target individuals they wanted to get rid of by fanning the flames of post 9/11 racism and paranoia." He has kept all his email correspondence with the university after his experience of trying to organise events as president of the graduate students' association led him to suspect "something like this might happen". The university has failed to comply with his freedom of information request to see his files within the statutory 20-day time period. Ms Mota just wants the furore to go away. "We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused Dr Bernans," she said, "and we are doing everything in our power to ensure that nothing like this happens to anyone else." But as sales for the book continue to mount, Concordia's peace may be troubled a little further.
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| 17. Friday, September 8, 2006 3:04 PM |
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This novelist is a riot! I've been reading his website about this edgy novel and loving it! Think this novel had a touch of wishful thinking in it from the hysterical Mr. Bernans. What a gadfly, as we say at the "Gazette."
North of 9/11's fictional plot meets in many places with real (and often surreal) historical events that underlie the psychology of social panic and hysteria that is integral to the war on terror. Newspapers report beatings, targeted vandalism, and bigoted rants aimed at dark-skinned men with beards, women wearing hijabs, and students named Mohammed.
David Bernans received his PhD in Political Science from York University in 1998. The Gazette has referred to Bernans as a “political gadfly” for his high profile efforts at holding Prime Minister Paul Martin to account for the cuts to health, education and social spending he made as Finance Minister. A documentary film was made about Bernans’ shadowing of Paul Martin called Waiting for Martin. He has published numerous articles in Le Devoir, rabble.ca, The Parkland Post, Alternatives, the Gazette, and elsewhere. Bernans grew up in London, Ontario and now divides his time between St-Pacôme and Montréal, where he works as a researcher, archivist, and translator while studying for a graduate diploma in Concordia’s Études françaises Department. On December 27, 2001, he and his partner, Anne-Frédérique Provencher, became the proud parents of son, Sasha.
Why am I not surprised he has a "partner" rather than a wife? You can't really take this guy too seriously up North, can you? Here's some blurbs about his brave novel: North of 9/11 is about: US draft-dodging, the bombing of Afghanistan, dark-skinned men with beards, social panic and hysteria, politics at Concordia University in Montréal, conservatism versus radicalism, military production for the US Pentagon, the Pinochet coup in Chile , anti-war activists, post-9/11 anti-arab backlash , censorship, failed risk assessments, and a whole lot more ... REVIEWS "North of 9/11 is a book about war, racisim, and hysteria -- and the people who fight against them... By bringing characters, people and movements to life, David Bernans has given readers an opportunity to understand why so many choose a life of struggle over a life of ease." — Macdonald Stainsby, The Dominion June 5, 2006 “North of 9/11 is political science at its best. Centred at Concordia University in Montréal during the tumultuous months following 9/11, this historical novel lays bare Canada’s complicity in the American-led war on terror and related state-sponsored repression of dissent. With its focus on a small group of pro-Palestinian activists and their Zionist antagonists, the novel brings to life the realities and subtleties of politics in our times. Bernans’ poignant description of the relationship between a conservative father and his radical daughter is reminiscent of Philip Roth’s American Pastoral.” — David Noble, historian & author of Beyond the Promised Land “If the film United 93 offends some Americans with its depiction of a 9/11 hijacking, David Bernans’s novel, North of 9/11, will have many fuming over his biting portrayal of racism and vengeance in the wake of the tragic September 11 attacks. The story takes place in the very real context of Montréal between September 11 and October 9, 2001, when the bombing of Afghanistan begins. Protagonists are Palestinian solidarity activists at Concordia University (known as “Gaza U”), who publicly question the approaching military engagement in Afghanistan.” — Z Magazine “The Gazette was correct when it labeled David Bernans a "political gadfly" and this political novel, set in Montréal the weeks immediately following 9/11, demonstrates just that. Filled with tons of factual information, it exposes the post 9/11 racist war hysteria and reactionary attempts by the state to silence all voices of dissent. The raw human emotions from both sides of the political spectrum in response to 9/11 are laid bare and set in proper context. Resist the temptation to flip to the end of the book for the surprise ending. B'nai Brith, The Gazette, Concordia University, Montréal's aerospace industry and the chorus of right wing commentators dominating the mainstream media will hate this book, but those who are looking for a politically engaging and highly readable novel will love it.” — Yahya Abdul Rahman - Editor, Montreal Muslim News
Okay, okay, I'll stop after this one! But this guy has captured my attention with his Onionesque self-righteous attitude and has actually given me more laughs today than I have any right to expect. Here he describes his persecution. Oh what a wry sense of humor he has! How witty he is! And so self important. It's like so surreal. And stuff. Okay, I'm done with this guy. Susan
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| by David Bernans August 30, 2006 Because I believe so strongly in my cause, I didn't recognize it until now. But recent events have forced a stark realization upon me: I am a terrorist. This is my confession. Since the events of September 11, 2001, I have been secretly plotting. My evil plan would have brought an explosion to the downtown Sir George Williams campus of Concordia University in Montreal. And to add insult to injury, the terrorist act was to occur on the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks in New York. Luckily for the innocent youth of that great university, my terror plot was foiled by a crack team of investigators. Concordia's risk assessment committee saw through the literary veil of the event booking request. The title, “9/11 Retrospective” sounded innocent enough. But they read the event description and saw that I would be reading aloud from my so-called “novel” (or, as security experts refer to it, a “blueprint of terror”). The historical novel, North of 9/11, takes place during and in the immediate aftermath of September 11, 2001. It is the story of Palestinian solidarity and anti-war activists who face repression at the hands of Concordia's draconian administration and become the targets of an RCMP counter-terrorism investigation. How authorities allowed Cumulus Press to publish this terrorist propaganda escapes me. But the madness came to an end when Concordia's risk assessment committee put its foot down and decided to ban the public reading of the book I had secretly plotted for the fifth anniversary of 9/11. Concordia students, staff and faculty are no doubt breathing a sigh of relief now that they have been saved from my criminal scheme. They need not fear being subjected to critical perspectives on a day when only jingoistic patriotic slogans should be heard. But we terrorists are a resourceful lot, sharing tips and networking via the Internet. My network extends beyond Concordia to as far away as McGill (a full five city blocks from Concordia) where security measures are much more lax. With a new title and new event sponsors (QPIRG McGill), we were able to conspire to do another explosive book reading. This time, authorities were not nearly as vigilant. “Troubling Directions North of 9/11” will be taking place in McGill's Leacock building from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. And it will be taking place precisely as I had originally calculated for maximum impact, on the fifth anniversary of 9/11. Once the explosion hits McGill there will no doubt be a flurry of new security measures. International flights will ban all reading material except the National Post, universities will close down their libraries and book-sniffing dogs will be used by the RCMP's counter-terrorism unit. But they cannot stop the coming battle between critically minded people and the war on terror machine. If we cannot read our books publicly, we will circulate articles and reviews clandestinely on the Internet. We will form secret book-reading societies with secret handshakes and decoder rings. I did not write this confession because I have any remorse for my actions. In fact, I am more convinced than ever that the most dangerous terror we face in the world — from Afghanistan to Canada, from Lebanon and Gaza to Israel, and from Iraq to the U.S. — is war on terror terror. That is why I wrote North of 9/11. I chose to write a fictional confession instead of an article because the new post-9/11 reality is so surreal that fiction is the only way to really make it understandable. That is also why I wrote North of 9/11. | |
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| 18. Friday, September 8, 2006 4:05 PM |
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Man, does this guy like his wry, witty self or what ? A guy this important, how could I not have known of him? Delusions of grandeur in ivory tower academia- hardly choosing " a life of struggle". He is resourceful though, he tells us so. " Waiting for Martin" sounds like a lift from M. Moore's "Roger and Me "
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| 19. Friday, September 8, 2006 8:58 PM |
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The results seem statistically significant. Assuming Canada has 33 million people, and 77 percent of them are over 18 years old, then it has 25.4 million adults. The poll said 63 percent of respondents felt that the attacks were primarily the result of US foreign policy. To achieve a 99 percent confidence level that the actual percentage falls within a confidence level of 12 (i.e. 51-75 percent), a sample size of only 116 is needed. Put another way, the sample size of 1508 gives a confidence interval of 3.21 at a 99 percent confidence level, implying that the actual percentage falls roughly between 60 and 66 percent. Still doesn't say anything about how good the questions were, though. Here's a great calculator to spare everyone the computations: www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm
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| 20. Saturday, September 9, 2006 12:22 AM |
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Bernans was at Concordia at the same time I was, although he was there a lot longer...

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| 21. Saturday, September 9, 2006 1:01 AM |
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| QUOTE: The results seem statistically significant. Assuming Canada has 33 million people, and 77 percent of them are over 18 years old, then it has 25.4 million adults. The poll said 63 percent of respondents felt that the attacks were primarily the result of US foreign policy. To achieve a 99 percent confidence level that the actual percentage falls within a confidence level of 12 (i.e. 51-75 percent), a sample size of only 116 is needed. Put another way, the sample size of 1508 gives a confidence interval of 3.21 at a 99 percent confidence level, implying that the actual percentage falls roughly between 60 and 66 percent. Still doesn't say anything about how good the questions were, though. Here's a great calculator to spare everyone the computations: www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm |
According to the "fine text" at the bottom of that page, it says that you cannot rely on the intervals if your sample is not truly random. Hand-picked samples are not considered truly random. Especially not hand-picked samples that are then called on the phone. So if you cannot rely on the intervals, then you cannot truly determine your sample size by merely plugging in your population and your confidence interval and hitting a button. Oh why am I even explaining? I might as well chew on my own tongue since it's apparent that I need to have the nature of political polls explained to me. Quick! Have all the sharp corners in my house padded before I hurt myself.  Anyway, I too would like to get my hands on the actual survey phone script to see what the wording of the questions were, the instructions given for answering said questions, and the order in which they were asked. It's not that I'm outraged at Canadians thinking the US is to blame for our own issues, I just like being able to dissect these things and see what made them tick the way they did.
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