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Compare and contrast. What is the difference in content or tone? From the popular leftie website Firedoglake, you have this from yesterday...

Tuesday, September 19th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
 
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So, Preznint DrunkUncle took his vaudeville act uptown to the UN today. Given this administration’s efforts to undermine and discredit the United Nations on so many levels, it’s hard to see this as much of anything besides another chance for him to preen in front of the cameras, except this time it’s a captive audience of international dignitaries and not a hand-picked crowd of kids from the Fox News day-care center or whatever. But given that he only ever makes one speech, does it really matter who he’s talking to?

TENSIONS WITH IRAN, SYRIA

The president, of whom many world leaders remain skeptical for starting a war in Iraq without U.N. backing, voiced support for Iraqis’ attempt at stability with sectarian violence leaving dozens dead every day, but said Iraqi leaders must "make difficult choices to bring security and prosperity."

How’s that for an utterly meaningless sound-byte? "You’re going to have to make some difficult choices" roughly translates from BushSpeak to Real-World English as "You can take this ass-fucking from my administration bent over or lying on your back. But you do have a choice."

Then he told a bunch of big fat lies (GASP!):

"My country desires peace."

But first we have to start a whole bunch of wars, kill your civilians, steal your oil, and leave behind a bunch of depleted uranium, see? Heh heh. But after that, it’ll be real peaceful. We guarantee it. Once the whole Middle East has been turned into a sheet of radioactive glass, you’ll be able to hear a pin drop!

"We respect Islam, but we will protect our people from those who pervert Islam to sow death and destruction."

Yeah, we’re the only country that’s allowed so sow death and destruction! And if you don’t like that, why, what’s that sound I hear? I believe it’s our sources in the CIA saying we have intelligence that you might be harboring weapons of mass destruction. And we’ve never once been wrong about that! Don’t make us invade your ass.

This is what kills me about his current rhetorical bent, by the way:

UNITED NATIONS -
President Bush
sought to blunt anti-Americanism across the Middle East Tuesday, asserting that extremists are trying to justify their violence by falsely claiming the U.S. is waging war on Islam. He singled out Iran and Syria as sponsors of terrorism.

Peace! We want peace! But not for YOU BITCHEZ, Iran and Syria! By the way, nice countries you got over there. It’d be a shame if anything happened to ‘em, see? Heh, heh!

Bush, in an address to world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly, tried to advance his campaign for democracy in the Middle East against a backdrop of turmoil in Iraq, Afghanistan and other nations that have embraced the very changes he seeks for the region.

Can we just dispense with this bullshit right now? It is not a "campaign for democracy in the Middle East". It’s a campaign of lies, illegal renditions, civilian massacres, rape, torture, chaos, and corruption. In fact, it’s got nothing to do with "democracy" at all. It’s a unilateral power-grab, a craven attempt to install puppet regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq who will give us greater access to all that sweet, black, delicious oil. Oil, oil, oil. That’s what it’s been about from the very outset. So why not just come out and say it?

Bush said past stability in the Middle East has been achieved at the expense of freedom, and he disputed critics who claim his push for democracy has destabilized the region.

"The reality is that the stability we thought we saw in the Middle East was a mirage," Bush told the more than 80 prime ministers and presidents assembled in the cavernous hall of the U.N. headquarters.

"For decades, millions of men and women in the region have been trapped in oppression and hopelessness. And these conditions left a generation disillusioned and made this region a breeding ground for extremism."

Yeah, you silly Middle Easterners! You thought you had peace and freedom, but that was just a mirage. You only thought you could walk outside in Anbar Province without tripping over the corpses of tortured and murdered Shi'ites. But, see, Iraq is really a free country, now! Free of electricity, hospitals, schools, and clean water! Yay, us!! And soon it’ll be completely free of the rule of law! Whoo-hooo! I’m sure anyone left alive in Iraq when this is over will be lining up to thank us for generations. I know they’ll understand that we had to invade their country to stop the terrorists that weren’t there and didn’t help carry out 9/11! And if 100,000 or so Iraqi civilians ultimately get killed in the process, well, freedom’s messy! Ask Donny Rumsfeld. Stuff gets broke sometimes. Y’all understand, right?

How could Colin Powell possibly think that the world is starting to doubt our moral authority? Sometimes you have to destroy freedom in order to save it! Well, I’m sure that everything’s going to be fine now that the Preznint has explained it all to those damn foreigners at the UN. And if they still don’t get it, we’ll waterboard ‘em until they do! Yay, freedom rules!!

From Hugo Chavez's stirring address to a cheering United Nations, you have this...

PRESIDENT CHAVEZ DELIVERS REMARKS AT THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY
SEPTEMBER 20, 2006

"Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it. Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'" [Holds up book, waves it in front of General Assembly.]

"It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet. The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," [flips through the pages, which are numerous] "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame [President] you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil, the devil himself, is right in the house.

"And the devil came here yesterday. Yesterday the devil came here. Right here." [crosses himself]

"And it smells of sulfur still today
."

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum,
the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil
, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel's (ph) yesterday, or President Mullah's (ph). Yes, it's good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah (ph) talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

(APPLAUSE)

END

Ewww, this stinks of something beyond sulfur. Hmmmm, could it be l'eau de hate speech? Oh well, it's good to hear a Chavez book review.

Susan


     
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2. Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:16 PM
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Go Hugo!  I would have probably read the Chomsky book anyway, but I'll go out and get it double-quick now.

 


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3. Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:31 PM
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Provacateur. 

The book's been out already for ages.  Surprised you don't have it yet.  But let me spare you the expense.  America is bad.  Everyone else is better.  Everything bad everywhere else is the fault of bad America.

It's really a lot like his other books, lectures, and interviews when you come down to it but without much in the way of linguistics.

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4. Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:06 AM
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Provacateur. 


 Moi? I am, how you say, incredulous.

 


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5. Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:12 AM
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I had to pick myself up off the floor after I saw this headline on Drudge:

REP. RANGEL BLASTS CHAVEZ: DON'T COME TO MY COUNTRY AND ATTACK MY PRESIDENT

And then to read this: RANGEL: AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS... 'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, but do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...

There's supposed to be a video too (Drudge doesn't have it linked).

For those of you who don't know, Charles Rangel is a Democrat in NY, leftie Democrat. He's the guy who introduced legislation to bring back the draft. My respect for the guy went up a tick or two - unless I discover that he had an ulterior motive to saying this - like he did with the draft bill.

And now - Pelosi: YOU THUG.  


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6. Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:38 AM
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Madeline Albright was outraged too.

Why am I suspicious of their motives?

Oh well, actions are far more important that the reasons for the actions.  This is a positive  trend, though I'll not be as generous as you, Jordan, by elevating my respect level just yet.

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7. Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:52 AM
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Rangel and Albright remarks could be poll driven with the 06 elections weeks away. And Albright looked really weak in that Path to 9/11 ABC piece recently. 

 
8. Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:27 AM
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Ah and as soon as I posted I thought....election....that would be enough reason to say such a thing. I think Rangle was the only one, I wouldn't feel that way, but then I saw Pelosi's comment and I felt somthing not right.


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9. Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:22 PM
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Please remember the 9/11 piece on ABC was a work of fiction, I don't think it's fair to judge Albrightby fiction.  Her real life public record is there for anyone to use.


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10. Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:47 PM
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I'm talking practical here. The possible reasons for Albright to pipe up now. Face it -it is perceptions not facts that count. I'm being objective and neutral on the question.  You did another "what your saying is... you believe the TV show." Don't put words in my post.

 
11. Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:50 PM
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I certainly agree, most comments from politicians unfortunately are politically and partisan driven, especially before elections.  I don't believe I said "what you are saying".  Agreed also that Albright was made to look weak in the tv show.

As far as what Chavez did it seems he wants a new best friend in Iran.  I think his remarks were highly innapropriate.


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12. Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:05 PM
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Hey have you guys seen the ads for the new Robin Williams film about a politician who speaks the truth?  I saw a brief bit where he says, "I did not have sex with that woman.  I wanted to....!"

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13. Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:17 PM
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I wonder if Chavez purchased stock in the publisher for Chomsky's book before he spoke?

From this article:

"As of Thursday afternoon, "Hegemony or Survival," originally published in 2003, had jumped into the top 10 of Amazon, where it was ranked 20,664 the day before, and Barnes & Noble.com, from a previous ranking of 748.

"Metropolitan Books, an imprint of Henry Holt, has ordered an additional paperback printing of 25,000 copies."


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14. Friday, September 22, 2006 2:51 AM
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Susan, the Robin Williams movie looks funny by the trailer but I fear it would be funny for about 5 minutes and then just get monotonous to see a whole movie of it.

I wonder how I would react about receiving oil from Chavez after those comments, my gut would say I would want to tell him to keep it but of course the world is more practical than that.


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15. Friday, September 22, 2006 3:16 AM
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I wonder how I would react about receiving oil from Chavez after those comments, my gut would say I would want to tell him to keep it but of course the world is more practical than that.


 Whatever (as they would say in CA).  You're having a laugh aren't you? 


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16. Friday, September 22, 2006 7:39 AM
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I read this OPED this morning from Peggy Noonan. Okay, yes, she's a conservative, but I think everyone can find plenty to agree on here. I wasn't sure if I should post this though in this thread or the other because it does discuss the temperature of the world. But since it's mostly about our friend Chavez, it works here better, methinks:

 http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/

Answer Chavez
The world is as hot as "the devil."

Friday, September 22, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

This is what I was thinking as I walked this week along the siren-filled streets of New York: The temperature of the world is very high.

We have a global warming problem, and maybe it's due to an increase in the output of heated words. And they too can, in the end, melt icecaps.

"The Pope must die." "The Holocaust is a lie." "I can still smell the sulfur."

The last of course from the democratically elected president of the republic of Venezuela, population 26 million, which helps keep America going economically by selling it, at significant profit, oil.

His remarks were startling. No one wants to dignify them with a response. But that's a mistake. Because the world heard them.


U.N. speeches are, by history and tradition, boring. You daydream to them. This is not all accident, not only the result of the fact that a nation's diplomats don't usually come from the more scintillating parts of its elites. (They rose to the U.N. in the first place because they didn't fatally offend anyone back home.) Their speeches are dull because they know divisions can be dodged or blunted by a heartening vagueness. And so their words are blankets, not bullets; meant to envelop, not pierce.

But here was Hugo Chavez Wednesday to the General Assembly:

The "pretensions" of "the American empire" threaten "the survival" of mankind. The world must "halt this threat." The American president talks "as if he owned the world" and leads a "world dictatorship" that must not be allowed to "be consolidated." Bush will spend "the rest of [his] days as a nightmare." The U.S. government is "imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal," a "hypocritical" empire that only pretends to mourn the deaths of innocents. But not only the Mideast will rise. "People of the South," "oppressed" by America, must "strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle."

That's not vague. It's a call to arms.


The administration quickly moved to dismiss it: More bilge from the buffoon, more opera bouffe. We won't comment or dignify.

The right doesn't want to take him seriously (we don't need more problems), and the left doesn't want to see him clearly (we gave birth to that?). But Chavez's speech achieved a great deal, and it is foolish to pretend otherwise.

He raised his own standing. He got the world to look at him. He emerged in the speech as heir to the dying Fidel Castro, who he was careful to note is still alive and kicking. Chavez doesn't want to be the current Fidel, the old man in soft fatigues, but the Fidel of 1960, who when he went to the U.N. pointedly camped in a hotel in Harlem, and electrified the masses. Chavez even followed his speech with the announcement he was giving heating oil to the needy of the Bronx. You know what they said in the Bronx? Thanks! It went over big on local TV.

He broke through the clutter. Everyone this weekend will be discussing what he said--exactly what he said, and how he said it.

He shook things up. His speech was, essentially if implicitly, a call to resistance, by any means, to the government of the United States.

He broadened his claimed base. Chavez made the argument that it is not America versus Saddam or America versus terrorists but the American Empire versus all the yearning people of the world. He claimed as his constituency everyone unhappy with the unipolar world.

He acknowledged a particular reality by putting distance between the current administration and the American people. This is not so much new as shrewd, and telling. It is an unacknowledged fact known to every diplomat in the world that the people of the world like Americans. Old Europe and new, Africa, people on the ground all over, have some acquaintance with the particular American character of openness and generosity. We turn our faith, and guilt at good fortune, into do-gooding. We send money, bring bandages and overtip. The world has met us. (This by the way is our biggest foreign-policy strength.) Those who attack America are forced to speak highly of Americans, and Chavez did, which allows him to reach potential new allies here. People don't mind being told they are very fine but their government is very wicked. He gave new cover to critics of America. Jacques Chirac to Condoleezza Rice the next time he throws a snare: "You think I'm bad? Chavez would kill you!"

America has seen this before, seen Krushchev bang his shoe on the table and say "We will bury you." We grew up watching our flag being burned on TV. So it's tempting to think this is part of a meaningless continuum.

But the temperature of the world is very high, and maybe we're not stuck in a continuum but barreling down a dark corridor. The problem with heated words now is that it's not the old world anymore. In the old world, incompetent governments dragged cannons through the mud to set up a ragged front. Now every nut and nation wants, has or is trying to develop nukes.

Harsh words inspire the unstable.


Coolants are needed. Here is an idea. Don't try to ignore Chavez, answer him. With the humility that comes with deep confidence, with facts, and with some humor, too.

There is an opportunity for the Democratic Party. Some Democrats responded with spirited indignation the day after Chavez spoke. It was rousing. But Chavez's charges were grave, and he claimed America's abuses could be tracked back a century. (Jordan: esp since for 100 years, Democrats have also controlled the US govt and it's not all Bush's fault). If the Democrats seek to speak for America, why not start with a serious and textured response, one that isn't a political blast-back but a high-minded putting forward of facts? This would take guts, and farsightedness. Rebutting a wild-eyed man who says you can find redemption reading Noam Chomsky is a little too much like rebutting a part of your base.

As for the administration, it is so in the habit of asserting, defending and repeating, it barely remembers how to persuade and appeal. It speaks starkly and carries a big stick. It feels so beleaguered on a daily basis, and so snakebit, that even its mildest players have taken refuge in gritting their teeth and tunneling on. They take comfort in this: They think Chavez helps them. See what we're up against? But that's not a response, it's a way not to respond. It doesn't help, because it doesn't even try to cool things down. Which is no good, because the temperature of the world is very high.

Ms. Noonan is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal and author of "John Paul the Great: Remembering a Spiritual Father," (Penguin, 2005), which you can order from the OpinionJournal bookstore. Her column appears Fridays on OpinionJournal.com. 


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17. Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:18 PM
danwhy RE: Chavez, Ahmadinejad and the Left's Rhetoric


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That was a good read Jordan, need to digest it a little longer.  In the meantime I ran into a fun little story on what the FNC calls :"fair and balanced":

From Showbizdata,

Even Fox News Channel itself is not likely to boast that its coverage of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez speech to the U.N. last week was entirely "fair and balanced." The TVNewser website today (Friday) cited a number of questions posed by the cable news network on the lower-third of its screen following the address. They included: 7:16pm: "Pres Chavez: Narcissistic personality disorder?"; 10:54am: "How dare Hugo Chavez blast the United States?"; 11:02am: "Should we stop buying Chavez's gas from [Venezuela-owned] Citgo stations?"; 11:59am: "Chavez insults U.S.: Where is the outrage?"; 12:29pm: "Should U.S. continue to fund U.N. after applause for Chavez?"; 12:54pm: "Will leaders pay the price for supporting Chavez?"; 1:26pm: "Is President Chavez becoming a threat to U.S. national security?"; 4:06pm: "Taking cheap oil from Hugo Chavez: Act of treason?"; 5:34pm: "NY audience gives Chavez standing ovation... Why?" Also, the comment: "U.S. giving U.N. $5 mil a day to get insulted."

 


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18. Monday, September 25, 2006 7:45 AM
jordan RE: Chavez, Ahmadinejad and the Left's Rhetoric

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For the record I saw one or two of those on CNN this past weekend and I watched only 2 minutes or so of CNN Sun morning. I know they showed "Chavez insults U.S.: Where is the outrage?" and one more regarding oil but don't rememebr which one. and yes, it was CNN because I was surprised to see the crawler.


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