I noticed that some of you guys here started discussing Josie in The Frank Silva thread.

So I thought I´d start a thread about her instead of going on (and off topic) in the other thread...

So what are your thoughts on this woman? Did she dig her own grave or had she no power over her destiny? Personally I liked Josie and she reminds me a lot of Laura. She was a prostitude and a lot of people were fachinated by her beauty. She had a lot of secrets and kept them from the ones she loved the most.

She was never taught right from wrong and always acted to fit the moment....

And why did she try to kill Cooper? Because she was afraid that he would dig up all her secrets like he did with Laura?

Here´s something to start with... 

Ditte

-Pete! Push the plug!

I like Josie a lot, though there are many Peaks characters I like better (a testament to how many great characters this show has). The whole Josie/Catherine/Andrew/Echart plotline runs throughout the series and stays quite consistently good throughout the series (though there are odd touches here and there: Josie becoming Catherine's maid, finale of episode 23 (blech), Catherine's "tuna fish" scene)  She's really complex, and it's sad how she is haunted by her past deeds. I feel like she had to make her way however she could in China. After Andrew's murder, she slowly came to realize that she could be a better person; the person Harry saw. Part of her wanted to be this person, and the other wanted her money. She was swamped with indecision and Catherine's blackmail. Finally her past caught up with her. I think episode 23 is really charged with this inevitable fate hanging over her, as the walls slowly close in. This would have been the best episode since 15 and before 29... if it weren't for the horrid ending. It totally cheats us out of a satisfying climax, and makes the whole episode worse. A more satisfying conclusion (I think) would be if Harry tried to come closer to Josie, saying that he would have to arrest her (or something). Josie pulls out a gun, and shoots, but misses. She prepares to shoot again, but Coop shoots her (paying back the favor), and kills her. Harry would then be angry at Coop for shooting her for a while. That would be emotional and satisfying... not some nonsense about her dying of fright and BOB turning her into a doorknob... or whatever.

 As to why she shot Coop... probably 'cause the writers didn't have anyone in mind and had to answer this one. Josie was suspicious and unstable... she was a likely candidate. But to explain it, it was probably because she figured Coop would figure out her part in burning the mill (though she seems to have been wrong about that, though he found out about her later), and tip off Harry, who she could trick into believing her. Coop's influence on him was dangerous to Josie.

I like the actress Joan Chen,very beautiful and charming woman.But I don't like her character Josie.Yes,she was mysterious,but...very weak and boring,while Laura was strong and had the willing to fight.Josie was the most fearful person in the show.That was proved in the scene when she died.BOB killed her with her own fear.Imagine how much fear she was feeling at that moment.Although I like the whole show and everything in Twin Peaks,I find her plot a little bit boring.

Yes,she was mysterious,but...very weak and boring,while Laura was strong and had the willing to fight.

 Exactly! There's no place for comparisson. As Iva said, Laura is a much stronger character and is not standing down for anyone. She's a fighter. Plus, her situation is far more desperate, she had to deal with things Josie couldn't even imagine...

 Speaking of Josie, she is the most annoying character in the series... Always wearing that sad face, weak minded, complaining, not able to do anything herself... bringing unneeded melodrama in the show... Don't like her a bit. The whole deal with her, Catherine, the sawmill and those japanese fellas made me sick...

and poor sherif Truman btw :) I liked him, he didn't need that crap.

I was just thinking of Josie because of the "I think I'll go mad!" scene.  Has anyone ever felt that way?  Dug themselves into a mess and it finally all caught up with them?  I feel that way right now because I am in a financial situation.  It's not really bad, but bad enough to worry about and one day I said "I think I'll go mad!" and I finally got it.

You know I had to go through the series 3 times to get the whole Packard saw mill/Andrew/Catherine/Josie story line right.  What a mess that was.  I still don't get why she would kill Andrew just because Eckardt(?) told her to. 

I was just thinking of Josie because of the "I think I'll go mad!" scene.  Has anyone ever felt that way?  Dug themselves into a mess and it finally all caught up with them?  I feel that way right now because I am in a financial situation.  It's not really bad, but bad enough to worry about and one day I said "I think I'll go mad!" and I finally got it.

You know I had to go through the series 3 times to get the whole Packard saw mill/Andrew/Catherine/Josie story line right.  What a mess that was.  I still don't get why she would kill Andrew just because Eckardt(?) told her to. 

I was just thinking of Josie because of the "I think I'll go mad!" scene. Has anyone ever felt that way? Dug themselves into a mess and it finally all caught up with them? I feel that way right now because I am in a financial situation. It's not really bad, but bad enough to worry about and one day I said "I think I'll go mad!" and I finally got it.

Yes! I love the way she says that line and the way she´s acting right there. I can totally identify myself with her in that scene, I´ve felt that similar feeling before and Josie shows it so well!!!! (sorry, you have to go through that stuff, Leo´s girl )

Hey, Im not gonna lie -some of the Josie stuff also bored the crap out of me, but I still liked her and felt very sorry for her. I think the reason why some of you feel much more sympathy for Laura is because we´ve followed her story since she was 12. We know how she was molested and thereby are able to make excuses for her actions. Laura was a horrible person too -but we know the reason why.
We never saw what happened to Josie in China , we never saw what went on between her, Thomas and Andrew. So I guess it´s easier to hate her when all you see is her bad side.

Anyways. Does anyone have a theory on Josies weight after she had passed?

Ditte

I like the Packard saw mill storyline, and all the plotlines that ensued from it. It's cool because it's so complicated... it took me several viewings of season 1 to fully understand it. Season 2 was more straightforward, but the story was still complicated and full of twists. I guess Josie weighed so little because BOB took her spirit out of her... I don't know, that whole thing was stupid.

Why was it stupid?

I see a lot of "it´s stupid", "makes me sick",  "worst character ever" etc etc... Sounds like you guys don´t even LIKE the series sometimes?! Why don´t you explain why these things are "stupid"?

Sorry guys. I guess Im in that kind of mood where I can´t stand this negativity around here. Sometimes I just don´t get it

Ditte 

I don't see what's hard to understand here. Season One of TP was perfection... the best television I've ever seen. Same goes for Season 2... up to episode 14 (though there were some somewhat imperfect episodes along the way). 15 was still good... but the show went totally downhill after that. Eps 16-22 (and the end of 23), seem like a cheap rip off of the original series. Just because I love the first half of the show doesn't mean I have to like those episodes. I mean Lynch wasn't even working on the series at that time, and his involvement is much of what made the show great.... most of what I originally loved about the show was missing in these episodes.

I never quite understood this: if Josie loved Andrew why didn't she just tell him that Thomas wanted him dead or "else" and then Andrew could have faked his death (as he did) and helped Josie hide?  The whole thing confuses the heck out of me.  Other than Catherine's surprise at brother Andrew, I wonder if Catherine didn't know exactly what went down and that's why she was so mean to Josie. 

I liked Josie because she was so soft spoken it was hard to believe she could be in a mess at all.  I think a lot of people like the black lodge Coop/Laura/Bob storyline because it was so mysterious, but as a "soap opera" you gotta love the other stuff.  

You know, most of my TP quotes used in every day life involve Catherine and Josie.

I see a lot of "it´s stupid", "makes me sick",  "worst character ever" etc etc... Sounds like you guys don´t even LIKE the series sometimes?! Why don´t you explain why these things are "stupid"?

  I think I did. But that's only my personal impression of her character. Don't take it so personally. I can see you are going through some crap.. but these are just some personal points of view, chill out :)
 

I never quite understood this: if Josie loved Andrew why didn't she just tell him that Thomas wanted him dead or "else" and then Andrew could have faked his death (as he did) and helped Josie hide?  

 I think it's pretty clear that (at the time at least) Josie cared more about getting the money from the mill than she did about Andrew. She wanted the mill so she could sell it to Ben Horne, get the money, and go back to Eckhart. To do that she had to kill Andrew. A part of her probably did love him, but I'm not sure she realized that until after she killed him. Afterwards, during her stay in Twin Peaks, she came to regret her deeds. Catherine knew that Josie was behind Andrew's death (or thought she did... she didn't know Andrew was alive), and that's why she was so mean to her.

I see a lot of "it´s stupid", "makes me sick", "worst character ever" etc etc... Sounds like you guys don´t even LIKE the series sometimes?! Why don´t you explain why these things are "stupid"?

I think I did. But that's only my personal impression of her character. Don't take it so personally. I can see you are going through some crap.. but these are just some personal points of view, chill out :)

I didn´t take it personally and Im not going through some crap at the moment -that was Leo´s girl   I was just hoping for some more (what I see as) constuctive discussions about Josie and her character instead of all the bad mouthing. But hey, Im not a Mod, so I´ll shut up now. No hard feelings

Ditte 

Hey leave the crap I'm going through outta this!  GOD!I think I'll go mad!

Just kidding!

You know, I started to not like Josie when I read the diary.  What a perv!

that was Leo´s girl  

 Ahahah right :). My bad.

Anyways constructive discussion.. I don't know, I guess some people just don't like this kind of character. Some may be touched by her weakness and vulnerability, but others like me just find it annoying... matter of perspective...

P.S. Leo's girl, keep it together ;) shit happens all the time.

You know, I started to not like Josie when I read the diary.  What a perv!

 I consider the diary to be totally unofficial. Jennifer Lynch had nothing to do with the show whatsoever... hey if I trusted the diary I woudn't like Laura. Not because of anything she did, but because her writing is so terrible!

hey if I trusted the diary I woudn't like Laura. Not because of anything she did, but because her writing is so terrible!

 Now that is funny!

I loved the diary though because it put a whole new view on Bobby and Shelley and Leo.  That scene at the party where Laura gets that girl goin'...hot stuff!

I was very surprized by the things Laura wrote about Josie. I read that sentence a few times just to be sure that she was talking about what I thought she was.... I like that she was included in the diary, It shows us the real Josie -not this facade that is usually shown of her in the series. What a horny woman!!!

So. I know a lot of you don´t like the whole trapped in the wood-thing, but what do you think happened to her? Did she go to that Black Lodge? Or was she trapped in the wood -somewhere in between??? Like the Log Ladys husband.

That´s what I think. She felt both Love and Fear at the same time before she died and as we know -fear and love open the doors

Ditte 

That scene at the party where Laura gets that girl goin'...hot stuff!

 That girl was Ronnette.

 I think Josie faced the same destiny as Margaret's husband. You saw the last few seconds of the episode she died. Makes sense to me. Although I'm not really sure about the factors for this imprisonment to take place... has anyone actually got an idea?

Cut it out with that dildo, man :)

never really liked josie, only good thing was that she was the 1st thing you see sitting in front of the mirror being all mysterious.

Spot on, goodmorningamerica!!!

Am I the only one who doesn´t understand what CCC is trying to say here?????