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1. Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:54 PM
nuart The Flawed Noam Chomsky & The Damage Done


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Just found this op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal and agree with the author wholeheartedly. I think he explains the problem of both the American supremacy and of Republican dominance within that supremacy.

This one is dedicated to Herofix but I think many of you will enjoy it!

In the Fray/By Roger Scruton
If Only Chomsky Had Stuck to Syntax

September 26, 2006

Noam Chomsky's popularity owes little or nothing to the eminent place that he occupies in the world of ideas. That place was won many years ago in the science of linguistics, and no expert in the subject would, I think, dispute Prof. Chomsky's title to it.

He swept away at a stroke the attempts of Ferdinand de Saussure and his followers to identify meaning through the surface structure of signs, as well as the belief, once prevalent among animal ethologists, that language could be acquired by making piecemeal connections between symbols and things. He argued that language is an all-or-nothing affair, that we are equipped by evolution with the categories needed to acquire it, and that these categories govern the "deep structure" of our discourse, no matter what language we learn. Sentences emerge by the repeated operations of a 'transformational grammar' that translates deep structure into surface sequences: As a result, all of us are able to understand indefinitely many sentences, just as soon as we have acquired the basic linguistic competence. Language skills are essentially creative, and the infinite reach of our understanding also betokens an infinite reach in what we can mean.

Although some of those ideas had been foreseen by the pioneers of modern logic, Prof. Chomsky develops them with an imaginative flair that is entirely his own. He has the true scientist's ability to translate abstract theory into concrete observation, and to discover intellectual problems where others see only ordinary facts. "Has," I say, but perhaps "had" would be more accurate. For Prof. Chomsky long ago cast off his academic gown and donned the mantle of the prophet. For several decades now he has been devoting his energies to denouncing his native country, usually before packed halls of fans who couldn't care a fig about the theory of syntax. And many of his public appearances are in America: the only country in the whole world that rewards those who denounce it with the honors and opportunities that making denouncing it into a rewarding way of life. It is proof of Prof. Chomsky's success that his diatribes are distributed by his American publishers around the world, so as to end up in the hands of America's critics everywhere – Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez included.

To his supporters Noam Chomsky is a brave and outspoken champion of the oppressed against a corrupt and criminal political class. But to his opponents he is a self-important ranter whose one-sided vision of politics is chosen for its ability to shine a spotlight on himself. And it is surely undeniable that his habit of excusing or passing over the faults of America's enemies, in order to pin all crime on his native country, suggests that he has invested more in his posture of accusation than he has invested in the truth.

To describe this posture as "adolescent" is perhaps unfair: After all, there are plenty of quite grown-up people who believe that American foreign policy since World War II has been founded on a mistaken conception of America's role in the world. And it is true that we all make mistakes – so that Prof. Chomsky's erstwhile support for regimes that no one could endorse in retrospect, like that of Pol Pot, is no proof of wickedness. But then the mistakes of American foreign policy are no proof of wickedness either.

This is important. For it is his ability to excite not just contempt for American foreign policy but a lively sense that it is guided by some kind of criminal conspiracy that provides the motive for Prof. Chomsky's unceasing diatribes and the explanation of his influence. The world is full of people who wish to think ill of America. And most of them would like to BE Americans. The Middle East seethes with such people, and Prof. Chomsky appeals directly to their envious emotions, as well as to the resentments of leaders like President Chavez who cannot abide the sight of a freedom that they haven't the faintest idea how to produce or the least real desire to emulate.

Success breeds resentment and resentment that has no safety valve becomes a desire to destroy. The proof of that was offered on 9/11 and by just about every utterance that has emerged from the Islamists since. But Americans don't want to believe it. They trust others to take the kind of pleasure in American success that they, in turn, take in the success of others. But this pleasure in others' success, which is the great virtue of America, is not to be witnessed in those who denounce her. They hate America not for her faults, but for her virtues, which cast a humiliating light on those who cannot adapt to the modern world or take advantage of its achievements.

Prof. Chomsky is an intelligent man. Not everything he says by way of criticizing his country is wrong. However, he is not valued for his truths, but for his rage which stokes the rage of his admirers. He feeds the self-righteousness of America's enemies, who feed the self-righteousness of Prof. Chomsky. And in the ensuing blaze everything is sacrificed, including the constructive criticism that America so much needs, and that America – unlike its enemies, Prof. Chomsky included – is prepared to listen to.

Mr. Scruton, a British writer and philosopher, is the author of "Gentle Regrets" (Contiuum).




     
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2. Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:24 PM
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Ah, yes, the everybody's jealous theory.

The author, being British, must be aware that his own country has a (very admirable) trait of lauding her own dissidents as well.  So the US is not the only country where those who hold people in the ruling class accountable for their actions are respected by some people abroad and some of their own compatriots at home.

And another thing that rings very false to me in this article is the use of 'rage' when speaking about Chomsky's writing.  Rage is the last thing I get from it.  And of course another thing that rings false is the accusation that Chomsky 'blames the US for everything' which is just not factually true.  But you know that, and you know I know that.


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3. Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:55 PM
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My country: right or wrong!!! But of course, we could never be wrong. That's the irony, see? Uhhh, BAAA!  BAAA!!! (sorry, I don't know what noise a lemming makes)

 
4. Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:41 PM
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I'm afraid that last paragraph sadly resembles a pile of muddled nonsense. And nobody whose primary interest was self-promotion would ever dress like Noam Chomsky.

 


 
5. Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:51 AM
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Did Theodore Donald "Donny" Kerabatsos pop in yesterday???

Oh never mind...

Do you completely disregard the "jealousy theory," Andrew? And Jamie, your argument isn't terribly convincing -- a muddled last paragraph and Chomsky's non-dapper wardrobe? What about some of the substance of the article? Nothing hit the mark? I count on you two guys for intellectual honesty and these dismissals are a little . Cut me some slack here.

No, Chomsky doesn't blame the US for everything. Maybe Andrew has a point there since all generalizations are untrue. To be fair, the author should have included Israel. Seriously, I'm hard pressed to come up with any Chomsky off the cuff praise for America of the past hundred years. Geez, I listen to his talks whenever he's on Pacifica Radio, CSPAN or any talk show. I was reading his books back when they were hard to find in the USA in the early 80s. I don't think it's unfair to say that in the Chomsky world view, the two worst international culprits are: 1. the USA, land of his birth and 2. Israel, home to half the world's population of those sharing his heritage.

Not given to rage? There is quiet rage you know. I think it's an apt description. You cannot possibly see the US in a grim and sinister way without being ruffled to your core. You cannot possibly be a longtime Cassandra without experiencing some level of frustration and yes, rage, even if it's quiet, controlled professorial rage. You'd have to be something less than human or something less than genuine if you didn't react angrily to a state you describe as an evil hegemony.

My point is that there's an out of whack asymmetry to Noam's lecture circuit message. When you're buried up to your eyeballs under an ever-growing stack of one set of grievances, it's impossible to see past that pile to any other variables. That view is definitionally false. It's like describing how electricity works by focusing only on your light switch, the lighting fixture and the bulb but ignoring the wiring within the wall, the wiring leading to power poles outside, the power station nearby and the entire power grid in the city. Your knowledge may be all true and accurate but the overall outlook is limited and false.

To me, a former leftist who once revered Noam Chomsky as a spokesman who was sharp, educated, and non-hysterical in his presentation, his obvious shortcomings have become crystal clear as I listen to him ramble on with the same tired play book of gripes. I looked to him for the most in depth intellectual explanations for why I should distrust everything done by my country's miltary industrial complex.  There was the extra added cachet of near obscurity back in those days too. (I learned about Chomsky from Gore Vidal)

Lastly, I've never take you for one given to 'hero worship,' Herofix! I'd be surprised if you didn't agree with at least some of the points in that article. You don't even have to confide those points to me. I know you know. Furthermore, I'll bet you felt slightly distanced from that crowd of sycophants at the Noam Chomsky lecture you attended. (Not sure if you did attend, now that I think about it; but had you gone, I know it would be true.) Don't forget -- the writer of the article is a philosopher which should offer some degree of credibility.



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6. Thursday, September 28, 2006 4:56 PM
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Ah, The Wall Street Journal ----that well-known fountainhead of truth....

I find it very suggestive that the Journal would go out of its way to criticise Mr. Chomsky, who whatever else he is, is simply a strongly-willed private citizen, while ignoring, in the same context, organized enormities such those perpetrated by the Bush regime ---which, at last count, is responsible for well over 100,000 deaths, the re-writing of the Geneva conventions, denial of Habeas Corpus to prisoners, and torture.  But we all have our priorities.


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7. Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:46 PM
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That's true Gavin, about the WSJournal.  It is no Amy Goodman website, that is for sure. 

Anyway Chomsky is the " Controlled Asset of the New World Order" and covers for their offenses. Please educate yourself to the real TRUTH. Chomsky has kept the gullible left in check since the 60.s !!

 http://educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekepper26sep05.shtml

 

 
8. Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:44 PM
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Hold on just a minute!  IS THAT GAVIN RESPONDING TO A POST?!?!

What a milestone!

 

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9. Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:32 PM
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Jesus... Gavin is about as reasoning as a pepper. What left wing nonsense... Noam Chomsky is an admitted America Hater and manipulator of Data. Well, put succinctly, "What a Putz!". OK next move ... Rook to Queen's Knight four...

 
10. Friday, September 29, 2006 9:04 AM
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Oh Gazette!!  Damn you!

A half an hour's detailed response wiped out by an automatic logout.


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11. Friday, September 29, 2006 9:33 AM
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Oh, poor Andrew!  Did you experience the accidental highlighting and accidental hitting of any key and then --

POOF! 

Gawd, I hate when that happens.  It's a good idea to "preview" along the way, so at least you have some of your original thoughts to fall back on.

And I was so looking forward to a half-hour's worth of Andrew rethinking the article and finding himself agreeing with me!  Oh well, I can be satisfied with that knowledge even if the actual words are lost in cyber-space.

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12. Friday, September 29, 2006 10:13 AM
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No, I just got timed out.  Must have taken too long writing it.  I should really write my long posts in Word first.

It was so witty, informative and refreshing a post as well.  I will try to recreate the magic sometime this weekend, but I can't even bear thinking about doing it all over again now.


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13. Friday, September 29, 2006 10:13 PM
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When I write something long, I try to remember to Select All and Copy before clicking Post Message.  I usually still forget, but remembering to has saved me some heartache once or twice...

 


 
14. Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:06 AM
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Do we all have the same problem with highlighting though?  Mine is hypersensitive.  If I try to highlight-delete one or two letters, the thingie will still do a whole sentence or paragraph.  Then, when I push delete, I will lose the whole sentence or paragraph.   Hey, I just discovered a new feature!

Cool!

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15. Sunday, October 1, 2006 4:51 PM
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>>Nuart wrote:  "Don't forget -- the writer of the article is a philosopher which should offer some degree of credibility..."

Ahh yes, The Wall Street Journal ---that well-known organ for philosophical thought…..  No doubt people such as Tucker Carlson, David Brooks, and Charles Krauthammer regard it as such.  But while I’m sure that one can find certainly a philosophy expressed within The Wall Street Journal’s pages,  I doubt you’d find that The Wall Street Journal is accredited by the American Philosophical Society or any other such philosophical organizations.

Compare the various arguments presented against Chomsky above, to those of the Soviet regime against nuclear physicist Andrei Sakharov.  As Russian historian Richard Lourie wrote (in 1993):

“Suddenly, on December 24 1979, Soviet troops invaded Afghanistan and the electricity of war surged through Soviet society.  On January 22, the physicist Andrei Sakharov, en route to a seminar, was detained by the police and immediately exiled, without even a semblance of judicial process, to the closed city of Gorky for having, nearly alone in a nation of 270,000,000, protested the invasion of Afghanistan.…  The newspapers made it quite clear what the proper attitude toward Sakharov should be: a naïve scientist meddling in things he knew nothing about, led astray by his Jew wife, Elena Bonner.  He should consider himself lucky to be treated so humanely.  People who break ranks when the country is at war deserve harsher punishment than a comfortable apartment in a well-supplied city like Gorky…  (...) ....As a protest against the Soviet presence in Afghanistan, America, West Germany, and Japan would boycott the 1980 Olympics in Moscow…”

No doubt Mr. Sakharov, too, felt a certain "rage" about the various abuses in the USSR---but why then should that constitute any dimunition of his message or his logic?  (Actually, what most often comes through in Chomsky's speeches, at least to me, is not "rage", in any sense, but rather his abundant sense of humor-- though of course these laughs are perhaps not apparent to those on the receiving end.)

>>Roger Scruton wrote: "It is proof of Prof. Chomsky's success that his diatribes are distributed by his American publishers around the world, so as to end up in the hands of America's critics everywhere – Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez included."

 I don’t think Mr. Scruton need worry very much.  The various wrongs of America against Latin America would be known to Jugo Chavez even if there were not a Noam Chomsky to reveal them to him.  Mr. Chomsky could not influence Latin America any more than the colonial oppression of Latin America has taught him.

 Consider, too, the title of Roger Scruton's Wall Street Journal essay:  "If Only Chomsky Had Stuck to Syntax" ---as if there is any sort of contradiction between Chomsky’s work with linguistics and his political analysis.  Any reasonable study of Chomsky’s works, however, reveals them to form a complete whole, Chomsky’s view of US foreign policy having a direct origin in his studies of the development of language within the human mind.  Indeed, much of Chomsky’s political writing: his often hilarious analysis of The New York Times, his devastating study of Christian theologian Reinhold Neibhur, etc.,  is, in fact, linguistic in nature.

As John Lyons writes, in his study of Chomsky’s linguistic work for the series Modern Masters (1970):

“Chomsky himself has argued, as we have seen, that the findings of transformational grammar have certain very definite implications for psychology and philosophy.  He has made a strong, and to my mind convincing, case against behaviorism (in its extreme form at least); and he has argued, again cogently, that the gap between human language and systems of animal communication is such that it cannot be bridged by any obvious extension of current psychological theories of ‘learning’ based on laboratory experiments with animals.” (124)

Lyons goes on elsewhere:

“Although this book is mainly about Chomsky’s views on language, it should perhaps be emphasized here that his theory of language and his political philosophy are by no means unconnected, as they might appear to be at first sight.  As we shall see  in the chapters that follow, Chomsky has long been an opponent of at least the more extreme form of behaviorist psychology, ‘radical behaviorism,’ according to which all human knowledge and belief, and all the ‘patterns’ of thought and action characteristic of man, can be explained as ‘habits’ built up by a process of ‘conditioning’, ...  Chomsky’s attack on radical behaviorism was first made in a long and well-documented review of B. F. Skinner’s Verbal Behavior in 1959, in which Chomsky claimed that the behaviorists’ impressive panoply of scientific terminology and statistics was no more than camouflage, covering up for the fact that language simply is not a set of ‘habits’ and is radically different from animal communication.  It is the same charge that Chomsky now makes in his political writings 'against  academic “experts” whose “advice is sought by governments"'…taking refuge in pragmatic and methodological trivialities.” (7)

In Chomsky’s essay “The Responsibility of Intellectuals”, published in 1968 in The Dissenting Academy, edited by Theodore Roszak,  Chomsky himself outlines what he believes are the standards and responsibilities of the intellectual in the social order, particularly with regard to American foreign policy and war atrocities ---incidentally explaining his own  rational impetus as he does so:

“Intellectuals are in a position to expose the lies of governments, to analyze actions according to their causes and motives and often hidden intentions.  In the Western world, at least, they have the power that comes from political liberty, from access to information and freedom of expression.  For a privileged minority, Western democracy provides the leisure, the facilities, and the training to seek the truth lying hidden behind the veil of distortion and misrepresentation, ideology and class interest, through which the events of current history are presented to us.  The responsibilities of intellectuals, then, are deeper than what [Dwight] Macdonald calls the ‘responsibilities of peoples’, given the unique privileges that intellectuals enjoy.


The issues that Macdonald raised are as pertinent today as they were twenty years ago.  We can hardly avoid asking ourselves to what extent the American people bear responsibility for the savage American assault on the largely helpless rural population in Vietnam, still another atrocity in what Asians see as the ‘Vasco da Gama era’ of world history.  As for those of us who stood by in silence and apathy as this catastrophe slowly took shape over the past dozen years, on what page of history do we find our proper place?  Only the most insensible can escape these questions…..


“…It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and to expose lies.  This, at least, may seem enough of a truism to pass without comment.  Not so, however.  For the modern intellectual, it is not so obvious.  Thus we have Martin Heidegger writing, in a pro-Hitler declaration of 1933, that ‘truth is the revelation of that which makes a people certain, clear, and strong in its action and knowledge’; it is only this kind of ‘truth’ that one has a responsibility to speak.  Americans tend to be more forthright.  When Arthur Schlesinger was asked by the New York Times, in November 1965, to explain the contradiction between his published account of the Bay of Pigs incident and the story he had given the press at the time of the attack, he simply remarked that he had lied; and a few days later, he went on to compliment the Times for having suppressed information on the planned invasions, in ‘the national interest’, as this was defined by the group of arrogant and deluded men of whom Schlesinger gives such a flattering portrait in his recent account of the Kennedy administration.  It is of no particular interest that one man is quite happy to lie in behalf of a cause which he knows to be unjust; but it is significant that such events provoke so little response in the intellectual community-- no feeling, for example, that there is something strange in the offer of a major chair in humanities to a historian who feels it to be his duty to persuade the world that an American-sponsored invasion of a nearby country is nothing of the sort.  And what of the incredible sequence of lies on the part of our government and its spokesmen concerning such matters as negotiations in Vietnam?  The facts are known  to all who care to know.  The press, foreign and domestic, has presented documentation to refute each falsehood as it appears.  But the power of the government propaganda apparatus is such that the citizen who does not undertake a research project on the subject can hardly hope to confront government pronouncements with fact.


“The deceit and distortion surrounding the American  invasion of Vietnam is by now so familiar that it has lost its power to shock.  It is therefore well to recall that although new levels of cynicism are constantly being reached, their clear antecedents were accepted at home with quiet toleration.  It is a useful exercise to compare government statements at the time of the invasion of Guatemala in 1954 with Eisenhower’s admission-- to be more accurate, his boast-- a decade later that American planes were sent ‘to help the invaders’.  Nor is it only in moments of crisis that duplicity is considered perfectly in order.....


“...We recall what happened when, for a brief period in the early 1950’s, the only Iranian government with something of a popular base experimented with the curious idea that Iranian oil should belong to the Iranians.  What is interesting, however, is the description of Northern Azerbaijan as part of  the ‘free world spectrum of defense’.  It is pointless, by now, to comment on the debasement of the phrase ‘free world’.  But by what law of nature does Iran, with its resources, fall within Western dominion?  The bland assumption that it does is most revealing of deep-seated attitudes toward the conduct of foreign affairs.


“In addition to this growing lack of concern for truth, we find, in recent statements, a real or feigned naiveté with regard to American actions that reaches startling proportions.  For example, Arthur Schlesinger has recently characterized our Vietnamese policies of 1954 as ‘part of our general program of international goodwill.’  Unless intended as irony, this remark shows either a colossal cynicism or an inability, on a scale that defies comment, to comprehend elementary phenomena of contemporary history.  Similarly, what is one to make of the testimony of Thomas Schelling before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, January 27, 1966, in which he discusses the two great dangers if all Asia ‘goes Communist’?  First, this would exclude ‘the United States and what we call Western civilization from a large part of the world that is poor and colored and potentially hostile.’  Second, ‘a country like the United States probably cannot maintain self- confidence if just about the greatest thing it ever attempted, namely to create the basis for democracy and prosperity and democratic government in the underdeveloped world, had to be acknowledged as a failure or as an attempt that we wouldn’t try again.’  It surpasses belief that a person with even minimal acquaintance with the record of American foreign policy could produce such statements.


“It surpasses belief, that is, unless we look at the matter  from a more historical point of view, and place such statements in the context of the hypocritical moralism of the past; for example, Woodrow Wilson, who was going to teach the Latin Americans the art of good government, and who wrote (1902) that it is ‘our peculiar duty’ to teach colonial peoples ‘order and self control… [and] …the drill and habit of law and obedience.’  Or of the missionaries of the 1840’s, who described the hideous and degrading opium wars as ‘the result of the great design of Providence to make the wickedness of men subserve his purposes of mercy toward China, in breaking through her wall of exclusion, and bringing the empire into more immediate contact with western and Christian nations.’  Or, to approach the present, of A. A. Berle, who, in commenting on the Dominican intervention, has the impertinence to attribute the problems of the Caribbean countries to imperialism --Russian imperialism…

“…Or consider Walt Rostow’s views on American policy in Asia.  The basis on which we must build this policy is that ‘we are openly menaced and we feel threatened by Communist China.’  To prove that we are menaced is of course unnecessary, and the matter receives no attention: it is enough that we feel menaced.  Our policy must be based on our national heritage and our national interests… 

“...Such intellectual contributions as these suggest the need for a correction to DeGaulle’s remark, in his Memoirs, about the American ‘will to power, cloaking itself in idealism.’  By now, this will to power is not so much cloaked in idealism as it is drowned in its fatuity.  And academic intellectuals have made their unique contribution to this sorry picture.


“Let us, however, return to the war in Vietnam and the response that it has aroused among American intellectuals.  A striking feature of the recent debate on Southeast Asian policy has been the distinction that is commonly drawn  between ‘responsible criticism’ on the one hand, and ‘sentimental’, or ‘emotional’, or ‘hysterical’ criticism, on the other.  There is much to be learned from a careful study of the terms in which this distinction is drawn.  The ‘hysterical critics’ are to be identified, apparently, by their irrational refusal to accept one fundamental political axiom, namely, that the United States has the right to extend its power and control without limit, insofar as is feasible.  Responsible criticism does not challenge this assumption, but argues, rather, that we probably can’t ‘get away with it’ at this particular time and place.


A distinction of this sort seems to be what Irving Kristol has in mind, for example, in his analysis of the protest over Vietnam policy, in Encounter, August 1965.  He contrasts the responsible critics, such as Walter Lippmann, the New York Times, and Senator Fulbright, with the ‘teach-in movement’.  ‘Unlike the university protesters,’ he maintains, ‘Mr. Lippmann engages in no presumptuous suppositions as to “what the Vietnamese people really want” --he obviously doesn’t much care-- or in legalistic exegesis as to whether, or to what extent, there is “aggression” or “revolution” in South Vietnam.  His is a realpolitik
point of view; and he will apparently even contemplate the possibility of a nuclear war against China in extreme circumstances.’  This is commendable, and contrasts favorably, for Kristol, with the talk of the ‘unreasonable, ideological types’ in the teach-in movement, who often seem to be motivated  by such absurdities as ‘simple, virtuous “anti-imperialism”,’ who deliver ‘harangues on “the power structure”,’ and who even sometimes stoop so low as to read ‘articles and reports from the foreign press on the American presence in Vietnam.’  Furthermore, these nasty types are often psychologists, mathematicians, chemists, or philosophers (just as, incidentally, those most vocal in protest in the Soviet Union are generally physicians, literary intellectuals, and others remote from the exercise of power), rather than  people with Washington contacts, who, of course, realize that ‘had they a new, good idea about Vietnam, they would get a prompt and respectful hearing’ in Washington..

I am not interested here in whether Kristol’s characterization of protest and dissent is accurate, but rather in the assumptions that it expresses with respect to such questions as these: Is the purity of American motives a matter that is beyond discussion, or that is irrelevant to discussion?  Should decisions be left to ‘experts’ with Washington contacts --that is, even if we assume that they command the necessary knowledge and principles to make the ‘best’ decision, will they invariably do so?  And, a logically prior question, is ‘expertise’ applicable-- that is, is there a body of theory and relevant information, not in the public domain, that can be applied to the analysis of foreign policy or that demonstrates the correctness of present actions in some way that psychologists,, mathematicians, chemists, and philosophers are incapable of comprehending?  Although Kristol does not examine these questions directly, his attitudes presuppose answers, answers which are wrong in all cases.  American aggressiveness, however it may be masked in pious rhetoric, is a dominant force in world affairs and must be analyzed in terms of its causes and motives.  There is no body of theory or significant body of relevant information, beyond the comprehension of the layman, which makes policy immune from criticism.  To the extent that ‘expert knowledge’ is applied to world affairs, it is surely appropriate-- for a person of any integrity, quite necessary-- to question its quality and the goals  that it serves.  These facts seem too obvious to require extended discussion.” (255-67)

 

 

 


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16. Sunday, October 1, 2006 8:42 PM
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In Chomsky’s essay “The Responsibility of Intellectuals”, published in 1968 in The Dissenting Academy, edited by Theodore Roszak,  Chomsky himself outlines what he believes are the standards and responsibilities of the intellectual in the social order, particularly with regard to American foreign policy and war atrocities ---incidentally explaining his own  rational impetus as he does so.


“Intellectuals are in a position to expose the lies of governments, to analyze actions according to their causes and motives and often hidden intentions.  In the Western world, at least, they have the power that comes from political liberty, from access to information and freedom of expression.  For a privileged minority, Western democracy provides the leisure, the facilities, and the training to seek the truth lying hidden behind the veil of distortion and misrepresentation, ideology and class interest, through which the events of current history are presented to us.  The responsibilities of intellectuals, then, are deeper than what [Dwight] Macdonald calls the ‘responsibilities of peoples’, given the unique privileges that intellectuals enjoy.
Well, as Jane Q. Citizen, I feel a kinship to the intellectual and his/her duties.  It is my position to expose the lies of intellectuals and to analyze their words (they generally do not have actions to analyze other than walking to class) and their often hidden intentions.  Pomposity on Parade much?  
 

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17. Monday, October 2, 2006 12:25 AM
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Curious to me is Gavin’s comparison of Chomsky to a Soviet dissident of all people. Topsy turvy, no ? Chomsky a 1960's and 70's anti capitalist intellectual and Soviet Socialist booster?

" American arch liberals and  leftists worshiped the Soviet Union as the salvation of the human race until Soviet implosion in the 1980s produced incontrovertible evidence of socialists’ brutal liquidation of tens of millions of dissidents, and of the near poverty of the entire population outside the ruling clique of Socialist Party members."      As Thomas E. Brewton puts it.

I guess that comparison is an example of Gavin's Chomskylike " humor " ?

I guess Chomsky and company have endured in Amerika the moral equivalent of what the Soviet dissidents suffered. No way. 

 
18. Monday, October 2, 2006 2:09 AM
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By now, this will to power is not so much cloaked in idealism as it is drowned in its fatuity.


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19. Friday, October 6, 2006 10:43 AM
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Hero, is the above quote from Comrade Chomsky hisself ? Is there some context to anchor the quote to a reality? Thanks in advance.  "      "   Hmmm  ??   

 
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http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19670223.htm

It's in there.

"Such intellectual contributions as these suggest the need for a correction to De Gaulle's remark, in his Memoirs, about the American "will to power, cloaking itself in idealism." By now, this will to power is not so much cloaked in idealism as it is drowned in fatuity. And academic intellectuals have made their unique contribution to this sorry picture."

 


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21. Saturday, October 7, 2006 7:47 AM
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Thanks, Jordan.....been away off and on.  Got a new computer!!!!


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22. Saturday, October 7, 2006 8:07 AM
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gotta love new computers!! Decided to hold off until Widnows Vista to get a new computer of our own.


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23. Sunday, October 8, 2006 3:11 PM
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>>”Curious to me is Gavin’s comparison of Chomsky to a Soviet dissident of all people. Topsy turvy, no ? Chomsky a 1960's and 70's anti capitalist intellectual and Soviet Socialist booster?”


I know that historical revisionism comes naturally to red-baiters……. but even you must realize that the best and most incisive criticism of the Soviet Union was penned by one who was both a socialist and an anarchist: namely George Orwell.  And, indeed, Chomsky is the one intellectual who I would cite as being the only equal to Orwell, both in terms of intellectual rigor and life-long committment, today.  Interestingly, George Orwell’s true name, which he forsook as being too “upper class”, was Eric Blair, and it is interesting to compare this earlier Blair with that later Blair, Tony Blair, whose labor party has fallen so far of late from the standards set by this earlier, and much better man, whose like is found so rarely today.


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24. Sunday, October 8, 2006 4:08 PM
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Gavin, have you read the Orwell biography that Christopher Hitchens wrote?

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25. Friday, October 13, 2006 5:30 PM
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>>"Well, as Jane Q. Citizen, I feel a kinship to the intellectual and his/her duties.  It is my position to expose the lies of intellectuals and to analyze their words (they generally do not have actions to analyze other than walking to class) and their often hidden intentions.  Pomposity on Parade much?"
I think you'll find that it is also Chomsky's intent to offer criticism of intellectuals ---hence the analysis, for example, which he offers of academics such as Arthur Schlesinger and others in the essay quoted above and elsewhere.  But whether it's Raymond with his "Comrade Chomsky" talk; or John Neff with his "Chomsky is Unamerican" and a "putz"; or Jane Q. Republican with her Chomsky is "full of rage" and "pompous" assertions, I have yet to see any substantive argument offerred against Chomsky here in these forums.
Here's a hint to get you started: The Anti-Chomsky Reader (Paperback)
by Peter Collier, mentioned at www.amazon.com/Anti-Chomsky-Reader-Peter-Collier/dp/189355497X
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Conversely, a very good BBC interview with Chomsky on YouTube, in which he discusses the responsibility of intellectuals, the repression of the Soviet system, and the positive role sometimes played by religious groups in ending repressive systems, can be viewed at: http://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1qedUIg7sI


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