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| 1. Thursday, September 28, 2006 5:58 AM |
| jordan |
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I'm surprsed no one has mentioned this yet. A German opera house has cancelled some Mozart operas out of fear that the some of the scenes in the opera might insult Muslims. From the story: "Berlin's Deutsche Oper said on Monday it had pulled performances of the opera, which features a scene depicting the severed heads of the Prophet Mohammad, Buddha and Jesus, after police warned it could pose an "incalculable" security risk." And of course the security risk isn't from Buddhists or Christians....the scene above was added by the director and is not included in the original. I'm gettnig more and more concerned with the hypocrisy of many people. In an effort to not insult Islam because of potential violcen, they will curb freedom of expression and freedom of the arts. But when it comes to insulting Christianity or any other religion (which won't result in beheadings and flag-burning), then there's no problem to express those freedoms. And when there are protests the usual response is "freedom of expression." Ironic, isn't it? Iraq War may be breeding more terrorists, but actions like this are only enboldening them. The more fear they can create in people, the more control they have to make changes in the West. It's good that Merkel and others in the German govt are calling this what it is - stupid.
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| 2. Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:30 AM |
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That is interesting.The concept of speaking out against religions that don't have a violent wing and against the U S government. These folks know absolutely that they are attacking completely safe targets. There will be no reprisals from the religions or the US government. Exercising free speech is fine. Certainly zero courage envolved. Now a person in the Middle East being critical of Islam is another story.
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| 3. Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:44 AM |
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I had this already to post yesterday but then the delivery men arrived with my new dining room table. As they took it out of the box, we saw the top was damaged and it had to be returned to the store. I'm expecting a replacement today. Otherwise I'd have posted the story under the heading of Drip-Drip-Drip -- aka Another Nail in the Coffin of European Secular Humanism. Susan
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| 4. Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:30 PM |
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As much as this news sucks, it does feel good to be reminded that there are still places in the world where people can become outraged by the cancellation of an opera...

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| 5. Friday, September 29, 2006 10:15 AM |
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I am so sick of all this horseshit about 'offending Muslim sensitivitities'. Today the supposed leader of Al Qaeda In Iraq called for explosive experts and Nuclear Scientists to join in the Jihad against the West. Fuck 'em. Nuke 'em. Put a final end to this horsecrap. Take out Damascus. Take out Tehran. Take out the Sunni Triangle. we have the means, we have the method, we just don't have the will. We will 'lose' the war on terrorism' because we did not have the will to see it through. It's Ramadan. Time to Nuke The Bastards....
Late night rant. Edited.
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| 6. Friday, September 29, 2006 9:35 AM |
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Don't beat about the bush John, say what you really feel!
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| 7. Friday, September 29, 2006 9:37 AM |
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Wolfgang was so divisive! Susan
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| 8. Friday, September 29, 2006 1:27 PM |
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This anti free expression, anti free speech theme is not just in Germany...
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| 9. Friday, September 29, 2006 1:38 PM |
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You had better hide if you are critical of Islam in France! Unbelievable. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/35c04734-4fb2-11db-9d85-0000779e2340.html "His article, describing the Koran as “a book of incredible violence”, sparked death threats against Mr Redeker, and fuelled fears of rising tensions between supporters of free speech in secular western societies and their resident Muslim populations." Quote from Susan above: "Otherwise I'd have posted the story under the heading of Drip-Drip-Drip -- aka Another Nail in the Coffin of European Secular Humanism." Redeker's boss Gilles de Robien, education minister, seems to think Redeker should be muzzled too. "“...a public employee should be prudent and moderate in all circumstances.” Drip- drip- drip indeed.
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| 10. Friday, September 29, 2006 1:51 PM |
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Oh for goodness sake!
"watch out for my cousin.." 
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| 11. Friday, September 29, 2006 1:56 PM |
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John, you redneck muttibumser! :-) Teheran is full of people who want to stop this 'fundamentalism' as well, any real change is slow and probably needs to come from within. Don't you nuke what is the most powerful weapon, not even on a late night rant.
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| 12. Friday, September 29, 2006 2:11 PM |
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But in the meantime, the Iranians mullahs have a sizable Methadone/Heroin business going on the side to keep those young whippersnapper changelings from getting too feisty. Like their parents were back in the 1970s. Danger!
Susan
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| 13. Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:40 PM |
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I know, Jazz, and I want to see the 'moderate' side of this 'religion of peace', but I am tired of this. And yes, a late night rant is all too often embarrassing later. I did edit some of it, but I want to say that I do believe a terrible end is coming without a worldwide effort to stamp out this extremism. Where are the condemnations of sawing off someone's head with a rusty knife in the name of Allah? Where is the Imamic refutation of one faction of Islam (Sunni) destroying a Shiite shrine (Golden Mosque)? Where are the Imams' statements of dismay when the Taliban has artillery practice on 1300 year old Buddhist statues carved into mountainsides? Where is the 'peaceful' Muslim condemantion of Islamic Fascists that strap bombs to themselves and blow up other Muslims? And what of those Arab cowards who hide their military arms in amongst innocent men, women and children, knowing that they will be killed when others come to disarm the bastards? (Israel/Hezbollah). Where is the 'peaceful' Islamic condemnation of Iranian-backed Hezbollah starting a war with Israel and firing over 4,000 missiles into that nation? Huh? Extremist Islam is the same as Nazism was. It is the same as the Ku Klux Klan. It is the same as, well, Islamic Fascist Fundamentalism. It is evil and must be exterminated. OK, I will go read Kahlil Gibran now, and try to reconcile my increasingly violent thoughts with a dash of inspiration. And I seek Atonement in these days for my own transgressions...
Geez, another late night rant!
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| 14. Sunday, October 1, 2006 12:27 AM |
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There's always 1001 Arabian Nights, too, John! Hey, I went back and read the edit expecting to see you had added Mecca. Nope! Talk about moderate Jews! Susan
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| 15. Tuesday, October 3, 2006 10:15 PM |
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Edited.
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| 16. Monday, October 2, 2006 2:15 AM |
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I just want to say that I am a liberal and very tolerant of others beliefs. But I have said in another post that there are some very bad ideas out there- like killing in the name of your religion (or lack of it -for all you commies out there). I agree with John, we have put up with way too much from Islamic Fascist Fundamentalists. I sometimes get in trouble with my other liberal friends for calling Islamists Fascists but what else do you call it? They preach killing, that Jews are decended from apes (but not Muslims), they still believe slavery is acceptable and don't get me started on female genital mutilation! It's all sickening. I feel like nuking 'em til they glow but realize that MTV and Nike running shoes are better weapons against Tehran than Fat Man and Little Boy II.
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| 17. Monday, October 2, 2006 11:20 AM |
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The board has plumbed new depths...desire and advocacy for the use of nuclear weapons on muslims, way to go you right on progressive people.
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| 18. Monday, October 2, 2006 11:41 AM |
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To use a phrase I would often hear from the left when they made questionable statements and were called on it - I'm sure he was "just joking" and wouldn't really want to "nuke" them. But maybe it is time the world start realizing that understanding and appeasement isn't the answer to individuals who won't offer the same because of their interpretation of their style of religion. (I stressed and bolded those words for you, Andrew -- in case you read this. I'm not lumping the whole religion in.)
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| 19. Tuesday, October 3, 2006 9:14 AM |
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I agree jordan. I'm not a great fan of Islam at all. IMO at the T-junction of modernity and medievalism, Islam took the wrong turn. For example, alot of muslims live in hot countries and to enforce an all-over garment on women at all times in public is archaic and yet, only the tip of the iceberg. However one must be very careful when making statements on a public message board such as the sentiments expressed in this thread. It is little wonder muslims are so paranoid about the west.
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| 20. Monday, October 2, 2006 1:12 PM |
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"It is little wonder muslims are so paranoid about the west" and vice-versa.
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| 21. Monday, October 2, 2006 1:27 PM |
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Therefore we preserve our dignity by not stooping to such levels. Easy.
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| 22. Monday, October 2, 2006 1:42 PM |
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You might want to enjoy some 'the man who sold the world' (Bowie) with reading Kahlil Gibran, try the first song of that marvellous album .. Neff meister ;-) If you want to see the moderate among the Muslims you got to get out of your sound proof studio and just walk among them. They are everywhere, and they are not so much moderate, but just a little less Muslim. It's like the taste of a coffee au lait v.s. a good morning America .. That is an essential difference. The problem I have with this view of the 'euwige Moslim' is that it brings no solution at all. It's bashing and being angry, and that's mainly it. Take Europe for instance, should we put them on trains and export them, make camps or form ghettos ? I am the last not to admit there a serious problems between them Muslims and the rest of us, but where are the solutions ?? Just pointing out how wrong everything is, is soooo 1954 you know, too easy. Now, what should we do ?
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| 23. Monday, October 2, 2006 8:44 PM |
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RazorBlade, Jordan and Jazz, yes, I am using hyperbole to get the frustration level across. I do not think in reality 'nuking' anyone anywhere will or would be a good idea. Plutonium has a half life of something like 90,000 years. I don't think we want to saddle our descendants (if we have any that long away) with 'forbidden zones' to quote 'Planet of the Apes'. But my point is, where are the voices of those whose religion was hijacked by the jihadist nutcakes? Why are they not howling over what is being done to the image of all Muslims worldwide? To repeat a statement made by someone else, , "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but it seems that all terrorists are Muslim". Can't argue too much with that...
OK, back to my not so soundproof studio...
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| 24. Tuesday, October 3, 2006 2:08 PM |
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Everybody sing along to a new variation of the classic by the Islamo-Fascist formerly known as Cat Stevens: Blow Up The Peace Train!!!
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| 25. Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:38 PM |
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| QUOTE:I am so sick of all this horseshit about 'offending Muslim sensitivitities'. Today the supposed leader of Al Qaeda In Iraq called for explosive experts and Nuclear Scientists to join in the Jihad against the West. Fuck 'em. Nuke 'em. Put a final end to this horsecrap. Take out Damascus. Take out Tehran. Take out the Sunni Triangle. we have the means, we have the method, we just don't have the will. We will 'lose' the war on terrorism' because we did not have the will to see it through. It's Ramadan. Time to Nuke The Bastards.... Late night rant. Edited. |
Theres some funny stuff mixed with serious stuff in this thread. I'm from Australia. I'm assuming most of the folk writing here are from the US of A. In Australia this week this week we remembered the more than 90 Australians who were killed in the Bali Bombings a couple of years back.
You know, I have observed that the paranoia about Islam is not as strong here as it seems to be in the US. That is the despite the fact that Australia's closest neighbour is an Islamic (albeit democratic) nation, Indonesia. Moreover, Indonesia has the highest population density in the world and Australia must have the lowest. It is despite the fact that the spiritual leader of Extremist's element in Indonesia, Jemiah Islamiah (excuse the spelling), has been set free after free after a neglible term behind bars after being convicted in connection to the Bali Bombings. You might wonder whether Ausie cousins are being a little complacent then. Then again you must concede that Australia has made a contribution at every juncture to the fight against terrorism and more than just at the level of military service. When the tsumani hit South East Asia, the most significant contribution to the relief effort came from the USA, to be sure. However, the largest financial contribution of any country, including the USA, came from Australia. Of course, there are many reasons the Australian Government decided to fork out the dosh - the disaster happened in our region for one. The primary reason the Government decided on making such a substantial contribution - that is, apart from the humanitarian reason - was because it took the terrorist threat seriously enough to realise that in the disaster there was a potential for terrorist to get a foot up in the regions effected. Along with the USA and Brits, Australia's response has to the terrorist threat has been maximal. So it's not complacency that you'll find here and its not that we're a longer way from harm. I tend to think the lower level of paranoia about Islam - which is probably not a fair word in so far as it might be mis-read to suggest the threat of terrorism is unreal - its real - whether Islam is a threat is a moot point - is due to the fact that the country is still resolutely holding on to its pre-Sept 11 way of life. Australian generally prefer to practical than mental in their approach to problems - admitedly sometimes to a fault. In conclusion - sorry, I've gone on and on - America will always be a bigger target but Australia (who was there in Vietnam - 'all the way with LBJ' our Prime Minister said at the time) is just as, possibly more, vulnerable to terrorist attack. All Australian's seem to know this, the vast majority of Australian's took what happened on Sept 11 personally. All the same, any paranoia there might be here about Islam has not caused us to stop distinguishing Islam and Terrorism - for what that distinction is worth. That may be why the level of paranoia about Islam here is lower and our alertness to Terrorist risk is high.
Beauty is momentary in the mind - The fitful tracing of a portal; But in the flesh it is immortal. The body dies; the body's beauty lives. So evenings die, in their green going, A wave, interminably flowing. So gardens die, their meek breath scenting the cowl of winter, done repenting. So maidens die, to the auroral Celebration of a maiden's choral. Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings Of those white elders; but, escaping, Left only Death's ironic scraping. Now in its immortality, it plays On the clear viol of her memory, And makes a constant sacrement of praise. ('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)
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