I have to admit I really enjoyed watching Bush squirm in front of the press yesterday. The whole mid-term election circus re-instilled in me a sense of confidence in the American people to eventually hold this joker to account, however late in the day. 

The consequences of cronyism, corruption, reckless spending etc. will all come back to haunt him and I hope the democrats hold an enquiry into the initiation and management of the Iraq war. However in my opinion, it would be a great strategic mistake if the democrats started to think that the American people have taken a sharp turn to the left, considering the brand of candidates that the people voted in. Think one democrat even got in on a pro-gun control agenda! 

but, overall, a good election for stopping this abomination of an administration from continuing along the same path. Legislative paralysis for 2 years and still two more years of bush, but ultimately better than the alternative.

Yes, I can't help but hum Lou Reed's "Perfect Day" when waking up to the news this morning.

I wonder if Bush and Rummy will be tried for war crimes at some point in the future too? Perhaps thats why Rummy's gone, to prepare his defence in advance.

x-ray
if your back's against the wall, turn around and write on it...

x-ray
if your back's against the wall, turn around and write on it...

Oh OK X. Congratulations to the victors. I hope they do a good job. I am a libertarian who sides with the Reps. There are some valid points in a link Jordan posted --explaning where the Reps were off base and hopefully they will make corrections. The Republicans lost the election -no one else to blame--well maybe the MSM.  I know the Dems won't waste time on impeaching Bush. We have more important and valid problems to work on together.

( I know I'm no fun, right? )

Not according to Dem Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Company (with the exception of flake Cynthia McKenny and she is gone now.) 

Even if successful with impeachment and conviction you would have Dick Chenny as president.

yes, let's begin impeachment charges against Bush in January. PLEASE!!! I'm looking forward to it.

The reason why Dems won't do it (which will anger their base) is because they know exactly where impeachment charges will lead because the investigation/trial must also look at the Clinton admin and point directly towards some Democrats currently in power. The cry for impeachment by some Democrats (and the media) was simply a move to help get them elected. It's called rhetoric, and offering the real deal is dangerous for many Dems.

Jordan .

And even if you considered a Bush impeachment( for sake of discussion) if you look at the calendar there is a presidential election starting a year from now. By the time any action was brought -that would probably take about a year- it is time for a new president anyway. I think any impeachment now would be out of hatred and damaging to the country.

I didn't want a Clinton impeachment and conviction because it would be a big negative for the whole country and the economy. That is why I said I hope the new congresspeople do a good job. If they don't we all suffer. What ever happened to a loyal opposition and acting in ways that are good for the country and not some perceived political advantage or worse acting out of some hatred- country as a whole be damned. I mean we are all in the same boat here. 

Ray - you bring up another reason why it won't happen - an election in two years. No Democrat is going to go out on a limb, try and impeach Bush because of political ramifications.

I look forward to potential impeachment hearings because it brings to the front everything Democrats have been trying to push to the side for the past four years. It also must examine the intelligence that the Clinton admin gathered and the intelligence that the Congress looked at and came to the same conclusions. A true impeachment trial would end up hurting numerous people on both sides of the aisle, not to mention Bush. The real WMD debate has never truly been had because it's always been clouded in the "Bush lied, people died" mantra without any real evaluation of what happened. Of course I have to ask myself if an impeachment hearing would even go that route and it probably won't. Impeaching Bush would like revenge by Democrats for Clinton to moderates and indepdenents and blue dog Democrats. It would not be in the best interest of Democrats politically.

The ramifications of an impeachment trial on Bush at this point in the war and with the economy would hurt the US as a whole. I do believe the economy would suffer, as would the war in general.

But if Democrats end up impeaching, I'm looking forward to the debate.

Jordan .

I was against the Clinton impeachment too.

I was against the recall of Gray Davis, governor of California, too.

The payback opportunities become irresistible to so many little people who fill up the halls of the political houses.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

All of which would have been fine and dandy for everyone 'cepting Hillary, had it not been for that pesky little concurrent civil lawsuit against a sitting president that had been brought by Paula Jones (which I was also against btw -- why am I feel so deja-vu???) for sexual harrassment (which I also think was/is a needless law) and the subsequent PERJURY which later caused the ex-president to have his law license suspended.

When a man has a certain reputation and proclivities -- a pattern of behavior, let's say -- and when he is the POTUS, and when he chooses to continue his dalliances with chubby young interns who expose their thong straps to him , and then he lies about the pattern of behavior while deposed under oath, well, I'm awfully sorry, Chris, but that is called perjury and it was that perjury and obstruction of justice (such as it was for Poor Widdle Paula) that sealed the deal.

Partisan forces within Congress, antagonistic toward Clinton (of which he was not unaware) had the big guns ready for just such a slip-up as partisans will do and have always done. Bill Clinton gave them the bullets. The country paid a price for all of the pettiness.

So may we finally put to rest the silly repetitive nonsense that Bill Clinton was impeached because he was on the receiving end of (GASP) "blowjob" from Monica? Pretty please?

I'll stipulate to the silliness of the entire affair if you can only be honest about WHAT the actual charges.

Or maybe this was just a set-up for your "bush" joke, in which case forget I said anything.

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

INT. RB'S CUBICLE-- NIGHT

RB lifts his sleepy head. Sees posts. Smiles.

                                        RB

                      You were all against impeachment? Great.

RB's weary head falls to the desk. He continues to type which is analogous to talking without thinking.

                                      RB

                      Where were you guys, how many years ago?

                      That was back in the day. yes Impeachment is very important and should be done.

                     Of course the Dems aren't going to do it. Not because it leads back to anything

                     Clinton or any Dems did, but because the current Dems lack backbone.

                      I'm as disappointed in them as I am in anyone. More so, I reckon.

RB drifts off to commandbond.net where the number of posts dictate your rank and where he is a sub-lt. He wants to be a Commander like his hero (yeah try to impeach Daniel Craig and see where that gets ya). Then he'll change his name his name to Commander RazorBlade. "Do you want that impeachment shaken or stirred, Sir?" "Do I look like I give a damn?"  

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

Oh Boy. Now we have someone talking about themselves in the third person.  

To me the Dems are not lacking a backbone but exercising good legislative sense by eschewing wasteful pettiness.

Gee, guess I'll stop having fun. The bottom line is Clinton shouldn't have been impeached. I think his alleged lying under oath was civil disobedence against a government intruding into his personal life. Clinton's lying was a noble act which did more by resistance to Big Government than anything weeny Dubya has done. But if you think the government does have the right to intrude into our personal lives, let's look into Bush's alleged affair with Condie Rice. If she gave him a blow job, out he goes. Guess I'll have some fun after all!

The Impeachment of George Bush would hurt, no doubt about it. But because something is hard is not reason to avoid it. This is something we as citizens must demand for the sake of justice. Bush is a criminal, unlike Clinton, and deserves to be put on trial. The impeachment could act as a watershed to allow us to restore balance (the meaning of the word justice) in our national life and to put the unrelenting hatred of the far right behind us. It is only a beginning there is much more work to do. But we start with impeach Dubya. There is no other way but the hard way. I am reminded of Calvin's quote that we must walk thorny ground. Anyone remember it?

Another fine example of the "LR!"

Susan

PS  I loved Calvin!  And Hobbes.  Miss Waterston a lot and can't believe that Charlie Brown still gets replayed day after day after day. 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

So, let's see. What is an " LR " Susan?

Now, I guess the CHM is the newly minted Conservative Hate Machine. Catchy acronym-sure to be widely adopted.

And the CPS. Ah, Clinton Psychosis Syndrome?? so that is where a Clintonista proclaims the crime of perjury as a brave example of civil disobedience ( by the sitting Chief Executive of the civil establishment requiring disobedience ?). O K... I think I have it down now.

Jordan .

You got the "L" part right but the "R" was "resurrection."  It just seems that once a subject has already been discussed and duly laid to rest, as I thought this age old Clinton impeachment had (regardless of whether you were pro or con in the first place)... all of a sudden POP!  It'll spring to life once again full blown with all its prior glaring inaccuracies.

These inaccurate cliches are like zombies -- you really cannot kill them.  Even when you think they're dead and gone, they can still come stumbling at you, arms outstretched, faces contorted in rage. 

It's the nature of the beast.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin