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1. Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Kevin6002 Prayer Request


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Next week I will be over at a man's home.  This man use to be used by God in a powerful way, but since his car accident he is now mentally challenged and in a wheel chair.  I am believing him to be healed.  So, for those of you who want agree with me in prayer, then pray for me and him.  And for the mockers.  Please hold off your mocking until later, it hinders the flow.  There may be plentley of time to mock after next week.  If he is healed  I will try to get documentation for it to be posted on the website.  Pray for a miracle.  The difference between a miracle and a healing is that a miracle is instant, a healing may take time even years to come to pass.  A sign and a wonder is things like diamonds appearing from out of the sky etc...  A creactive miracle is something like someone's arm or leg grows back.

 

Miracles I have seen:  Arthritis Healed in an instant, toe nail grow back where there was not nail in less than 30 seconds, hypoglocemia various illness like virous, colds, etc...  People delievered from drugs, alcohol, sexual abuse, inner healing, uclean spirits cast out etc...

Healings: Cancer, arthritis, hypoglocemia, etc...

 

Signs And Wonders:  Oil appearing on my hands, Gold Dust appearing during prayer in meetings and in private, Diamonds appearing in meetings, Manna appearing during meetings, Angel Feathers appearing during meetings, numerous encounters with the Kingdom Of God and angels too many to count..., being tansported some where else in the Spirit and then it being confirmed I was there in the natural.  Entire parks or small cities having an encoutner with God at the same time.

 
2. Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:20 PM
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I have forgot to mention the times I have prayed and they wasn't healed.  Like one time I prayed for a whole room of crippled children and not one of them was healed.  What do you do?  You go pray for someone else.  That is the problem with Christians.  They want it like a micorwave instant!  And if it does not happen then they think they have sin in their life or they are not suppose to operate in power.  But the bible is clear.  All Christians are to operate in some level of power to heal the sick, cast out unclean spirits, speak in other tongues, raise the dead, preach, etc...  This isn't Burger King.  It isn't have it your way.  I know of people who did not see one healing until after they prayed for over 100 people.  Think of if they stopped at 100.  That means that someone didn't get healed that could have been.  So take risk and spread the love and power of Jesus.

 
3. Monday, November 20, 2006 4:47 PM
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Hey, I don't pray, but I wish you the best. Can you catch any of those miracles on videocamera?  Seeing a toenail grow back or manna appear out of thin air would give me pause for thought.  Hope you can offer your friend some serious help.

 
4. Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:46 AM
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While I really don't want to appear like some religious kook, miracle do happen, and I have witnessed some myself.  Things that are just jaw-dropping, unexplainable...miracles.

I guess it's the nature of them that they're so amazing that they are literally incredible for someone who hasn't witnessed or experienced one first hand.  So I completely understand the scepticism.

Just wanted to lend my voice to Kev's prayer, as someone who remains an avowed sceptic, but knows that miracles happen.

 
5. Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:21 AM
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Life is a miracle and it is difficult to get through a day of it without acknowledging such.  But what troubles me about Kevin's "intervention" is the magical mystery aspect of acting as a mini-Christ on earth or something.  There is something in this attempt to supercede the learned medical profession with his extra-special faith and prayer and belief that I find troubling. 

Quiet prayer.  Fine.  Beautiful. Caring too. 

Hanging around severely damaged humans, offering 'hope' through your special God-human intervention, and detecting gold dust and oil -- all this augurs poorly from my perspective.  Are you certain it wasn't golden snake oil?

Were I a member of the family of any of these unfortunate 'crippled' folks, I'd be outraged at the charlatans at the door. 

Go home and pray.  The Greek humanists had a special word for this type of behavior.  Hubris.

Susan 


     
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6. Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:33 PM
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First, we are supposed to be "mini-Christs". The hope that as one matures one becomes more and more like Christ. Second, holding a "laying on of hands service" as they were called when I was a boy, is about a community coming together out of a common concern for a member. Nothing about hubris there.  One of our problems in America is that we have neglected community-building so when people -Christians or whoever- come together, they provide an example for the rest of us. After all, Susan, if more people spent time in prayer, community prayer, asking for healing for say, the mentally ill, I submit that the programs for mentally ill people would improve. Why? Because properly prayer is the beginning both individually and corporately or action to alievate suffering. Not golden snake oil at all. Instead we are left with a misplaced emph on ourselves. And left to ourselves, we shut other people out. Especially those who are sick and in need.


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7. Monday, November 27, 2006 6:09 PM
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8. Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:42 AM
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QUOTE:First, we are supposed to be "mini-Christs". The hope that as one matures one becomes more and more like Christ. Second, holding a "laying on of hands service" as they were called when I was a boy, is about a community coming together out of a common concern for a member. Nothing about hubris there.  One of our problems in America is that we have neglected community-building so when people -Christians or whoever- come together, they provide an example for the rest of us. After all, Susan, if more people spent time in prayer, community prayer, asking for healing for say, the mentally ill, I submit that the programs for mentally ill people would improve. Why? Because properly prayer is the beginning both individually and corporately or action to alievate suffering. Not golden snake oil at all. Instead we are left with a misplaced emph on ourselves. And left to ourselves, we shut other people out. Especially those who are sick and in need.

Hubris is often the outward symptom but not always. What underlies it all, as Aldous Huxley has argued, is humanity's 'deep-seated urge to self-transcendance', more often than not leading into 'a search for some bogus liberation ... Grace-substitutes, into which and by means of which men and women have tried to escape from the tormenting consciousness of being merely themselves'.

If more of us prayed in the manner you describe, far from the alleviation of human suffering, the result would be widespread infrapersonal and antisocial irresponsibility. It's happened before.
 


Beauty is momentary in the mind -
The fitful tracing of a portal;
But in the flesh it is immortal.
The body dies; the body's beauty lives.
So evenings die, in their green going,
A wave, interminably flowing.
So gardens die, their meek breath scenting
the cowl of winter, done repenting.
So maidens die, to the auroral
Celebration of a maiden's choral.
Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings
Of those white elders; but, escaping,
Left only Death's ironic scraping.
Now in its immortality, it plays
On the clear viol of her memory,
And makes a constant sacrement of praise.

('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)

 
9. Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:33 AM
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Deep seated urge to self-transcendence, hmm? I must have absorbed that concept back in my Huxley years. (BTW, last week was the 43rd anniversary of the death of Aldous Huxley -- same day as the JFK assassiantion. Cancer of the tongue. Los Angeles. 11/22/63)

I would have to come down on the Freshly Squeezed column on this one even while confessing I do pray.

Have I ever prayed that the lame would walk? That the blind would see? That the feeble would... uh, score 1600 on their SATs?

Nope.

As I said before, prayer to me is about humility, gratitude, acceptance, dignity, fortitude, serenity and asking for guidance in separating wheat from the chaff -- internal stuff like that. It is not about putting in requests for miracle cures, which is then sorted through, assessed and processed into the "YEA" file, if earnest enough or the "NAY" file if insufficient. I'm also enough of a humanist to know that prayer didn't create the polio vaccine even if the human scientists laboring away also happened to pray. And, you know, the lord does help those... as they say.

But carry on with those prayers for miraculous healing of the gravely ill, those of you who would. But always remember, "One hour with Debra helped more than years of therapy."

Susan 


     
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10. Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:56 PM
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QUOTE:

I would have to come down on the Freshly Squeezed column on this one even while confessing I do pray.

As I said before, prayer to me is about humility, gratitude, acceptance, dignity, fortitude, serenity and asking for guidance in separating wheat from the chaff -- internal stuff like that. It is not about putting in requests for miracle cures, which is then sorted through, assessed and processed into the "YEA" file, if earnest enough or the "NAY" file if insufficient. I'm also enough of a humanist to know that prayer didn't create the polio vaccine even if the human scientists laboring away also happened to pray. And, you know, the lord does help those... as they say.


Susan 


That sounds more like the stuff of prayer to me. Internal, non-demanding, unself-righteous and uncertain.


Beauty is momentary in the mind -
The fitful tracing of a portal;
But in the flesh it is immortal.
The body dies; the body's beauty lives.
So evenings die, in their green going,
A wave, interminably flowing.
So gardens die, their meek breath scenting
the cowl of winter, done repenting.
So maidens die, to the auroral
Celebration of a maiden's choral.
Susanna's music touched the bawdy strings
Of those white elders; but, escaping,
Left only Death's ironic scraping.
Now in its immortality, it plays
On the clear viol of her memory,
And makes a constant sacrement of praise.

('Peter Quince at the Clavier' by Wallace Stevens)

 
11. Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:59 PM
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Sunday I was watching CSPAN book TV.  They had three women on a panel -- one Muslim, one Jew and one Christian.  They were all New Yorkers who came together after 9/11.  The Christian met the Muslim at a bus stop.  The Muslim woman had the idea to put together a children's book on the three faiths. Well, anyway, the interesting comment one of them made stayed with me:

The opposite of faith is not doubt.

The opposite of faith is certainty.

Not sure how it applies to this discussion but I've been giving it some thought the past few days.

Like it?  I did.

Susan 


     
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12. Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:48 PM
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Susan

That makes sense.  If you know something for certain, then there's no faith involved.

Faith can be used to bridge the gap of the unknown also.  So something can be known, unknown, or believed in faith.  (geez I'm starting to sound like Rumsfield over here...)

 
13. Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:47 PM
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QUOTE:First, we are supposed to be "mini-Christs". The hope that as one matures one becomes more and more like Christ. Second, holding a "laying on of hands service" as they were called when I was a boy, is about a community coming together out of a common concern for a member. Nothing about hubris there.  One of our problems in America is that we have neglected community-building so when people -Christians or whoever- come together, they provide an example for the rest of us. After all, Susan, if more people spent time in prayer, community prayer, asking for healing for say, the mentally ill, I submit that the programs for mentally ill people would improve. Why? Because properly prayer is the beginning both individually and corporately or action to alievate suffering. Not golden snake oil at all. Instead we are left with a misplaced emph on ourselves. And left to ourselves, we shut other people out. Especially those who are sick and in need.

Hubris is often the outward symptom but not always. What underlies it all, as Aldous Huxley has argued, is humanity's 'deep-seated urge to self-transcendance', more often than not leading into 'a search for some bogus liberation ... Grace-substitutes, into which and by means of which men and women have tried to escape from the tormenting consciousness of being merely themselves'.

If more of us prayed in the manner you describe, far from the alleviation of human suffering, the result would be widespread infrapersonal and antisocial irresponsibility. It's happened before.
 

That's only if you blame religion on the humanity's problems. As humans we more often let God down rather than God letting us down. How many times do people say they believe something, then act as if they don't believe it? I'm not just talking about faith here, it applies to anything a person says s/he believes. People, individually and corporately, commit acts of antisocial irresponsiblity which leads me to think that it is a human problem- common to all humans not just religious people. check out the "athetism-the real killer" thread. Athetists with beliefs in common with A Huxley slaughtered well over 100 million people in the 20th century. If you stay with the observable evidence, you see that the only worse than having religion is having none at all.  
 


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14. Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:56 AM
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...and they sit there in their corporate offices acting all corporatey...

Susan 


     
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15. Saturday, December 2, 2006 10:07 AM
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QUOTE:First, we are supposed to be "mini-Christs". The hope that as one matures one becomes more and more like Christ. Second, holding a "laying on of hands service" as they were called when I was a boy, is about a community coming together out of a common concern for a member. Nothing about hubris there.  One of our problems in America is that we have neglected community-building so when people -Christians or whoever- come together, they provide an example for the rest of us. After all, Susan, if more people spent time in prayer, community prayer, asking for healing for say, the mentally ill, I submit that the programs for mentally ill people would improve. Why? Because properly prayer is the beginning both individually and corporately or action to alievate suffering. Not golden snake oil at all. Instead we are left with a misplaced emph on ourselves. And left to ourselves, we shut other people out. Especially those who are sick and in need.
Call me a "mocker", if you must, but I can't help seeing an image of Mike Myers as Dr. Good with a bunch of Vern Troyers running around in little robe & sandal get-ups.  Best of luck on the healing. If you are successful, I'll pay you one mill--I mean one BILLION dollars. To go to charity, of course.
 

 

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