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1. Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:25 PM
danwhy So the U.S. has a record of what I eat


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I never knew that when I travel to the U.S. that homeland security is checking my credit cards, my driving record and even if I special order a meal.  I'm not sure how this helps them and it's scary to note that they will share this data with private companies (scary because what if they enter something about me incorrectly, not scary because I have done something wrong).

For those who are interested I will tell you that my last time flying to the U.S. (Hawaii in October) I had warm cashews and almonds, a nice shiraz, a ceaser salad, beef and potatoes, an ice cream sunday and then a baileys on ice.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Without notifying the public, federal agents have assigned millions of international travelers, including Americans, computer-generated scores rating the risk they pose of being terrorists or criminals.

The travelers are not allowed to see or directly challenge these risk assessments. The government intends to keep the scores on file for 40 years.

The scores are assigned to people entering and leaving the United States after computers assess their travel records, including where they are from, how they paid for tickets, their motor vehicle records, past one-way travel, seating preference and what kind of meal they ordered.

The program's existence was quietly disclosed earlier in November when the government put an announcement detailing the Automated Targeting System, or ATS, for the first time in the Federal Register, a fine-print compendium of federal rules.

Eighty-seven million people a year enter the country by air and 309 million enter by land or sea, the Department of Homeland Security reports.

The government gets advance passenger and crew lists for all flights and ships entering and leaving and all those names are entered into the system for an ATS analysis, said Jayson P. Ahern, an assistant commissioner of Homeland Security's Customs and Border Protection agency.

He also said the names of vehicle drivers and passengers are entered when they cross the border and Amtrak is voluntarily supplying passenger data for trains to and from Canada.

Ahern said that border agents concentrate on arrivals more than on departures because their resources are limited.

Privacy advocates cry foul

Privacy and civil liberties lawyers, congressional aides and even law enforcement officers said they thought this system had been applied only to cargo.

DHS called its program "one of the most advanced targeting systems in the world."

The department said the nation's ability to spot criminals and other security threats "would be critically impaired without access to this data."

Still, privacy advocates view ATS with alarm.

"It's probably the most invasive system the government has yet deployed in terms of the number of people affected," said David Sobel, a lawyer at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group devoted to electronic data issues.

He continued, "Some individuals will be denied the right to travel and many the right to travel free of unwarranted interference as a result of the maintenance of such material."

A similar Homeland Security data-mining project, for domestic air travelers -- now known as Secure Flight -- caused a furor two years ago in Congress. Lawmakers barred its implementation until it can pass 10 tests for accuracy and privacy protection.

The government notice says ATS data may be shared with state, local and foreign governments for use in hiring decisions and in granting licenses, security clearances, contracts or other benefits.

In some cases, the data may be shared with courts, Congress and even private contractors.

If a traveler is singled out erroneously by ATS data it could cost innocent people jobs in shipping or travel, government contracts, licenses or other benefits, Sobel warned.

But Ahern said the ATS ratings simply allow agents at the border to pick out people not previously identified by law enforcement as potential terrorists or criminals.

DHS agents can then conduct additional searches and interviews.

"It does not replace the judgments of officers," Ahern said Thursday.

This targeting system goes beyond traditional border watch lists, Ahern said.

Border agents compare arrival names with watch lists separately from the ATS analysis.

This week Homeland Security posted a message addressing privacy on its Web site. It said ATS is aimed at discovering high-risk individuals who "may not have been previously associated with a law enforcement action or otherwise be noted as a person of concern to law enforcement."

Ahern said ATS does this by applying the government guidelines to sifting out terrorists and criminals by comparing them with passengers' travel patterns and records.

For security reasons, Ahern declined to disclose any specifics about those guidelines.

Travelers denied access

In the Federal Register, the department exempted ATS from many provisions of the Privacy Act designed to protect people from secret, possibly inaccurate government dossiers.

As a result, it said travelers cannot learn whether the system has assessed them. Nor can they see the records "for the purpose of contesting the content."

Toby Levin, senior adviser in Homeland Security's Privacy Office, noted that the department pledged to review the exemptions over the next 90 days based on the public comment received.

As of Thursday, all 15 public comments received opposed the system outright or criticized its redress procedures.

The Homeland Security privacy impact statement added that "an individual might not be aware of the reason additional scrutiny is taking place, nor should he or she" because that might compromise the ATS' methods.

Nevertheless, Ahern said any traveler who objected to additional searches or interviews could ask to speak to a supervisor to complain.

Homeland Security's privacy impact statement said that if asked, border agents would give complaining passengers a one-page document that describes some, but not all, of the records that agents check and refers complaints to Custom and Border Protection's Customer Satisfaction Unit.

Homeland Security's statement said travelers can use this office to obtain corrections to the underlying data sources on which the risk assessment is based.

If something is inaccurate, the privacy statement assures, "The assessment ... will change when the data from the source system(s) is amended."

"I don't buy that at all," said Jim Malmberg, executive director of American Consumer Credit Education Support Services, a private credit education group.

Malmberg noted how hard it has been for citizens, including members of Congress, to stop being misidentified as terrorists because their names match those on anti-terrorism watch lists.

In 2004, it took Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts three weeks to have his name removed from the government's secret "no-fly" list.

Officials said the error occurred because the name "T. Kennedy" had been used as an alias on the list of terrorist suspects.


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2. Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:04 PM
nuart RE: So the U.S. has a record of what I eat


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All that just to tell everyone you flew first class, Danwhy?  Capitalist pig.

 

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3. Friday, December 1, 2006 5:07 AM
danwhy RE: So the U.S. has a record of what I eat


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Susan, some Canadian airlines run a little different, we get meals and drinks in coach on flights over a certain length. 


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4. Friday, December 1, 2006 9:45 AM
nuart RE: So the U.S. has a record of what I eat


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So what you're saying is even Steerage Class on a Canadian flight is better than First Class on an US airliner, hmmm?

Geez, and then you have to deal with those nosy Americans looking over passenger meal lists! I can just imagine the hirelings with that task. The new facilities that must be built to house these federal workers. The tax-payer $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that must go to pay them.

And you think you have problems.

I won't even detail my harrowing cab ride to the airport a couple weeks ago nor mention that the cabbie was a Jamaican who told me he DETESTED the USA and can only stay here two years before having to go elsewhere and that Osama bin Laden was the man he most admired in the world, and in between screeching to me how the white man is an abomination on the earth and a demon, would temporarily take a break to turn on a CD which was a rapping reggae thing, the only words I could make out, and the most frequently shouted word, was "F***!" Ah the universal language of music! If I were going to tell you about it, I'd also mention that he educated me to the truth about the non-Holocaust for which the Jo-mahns had accepted responsibility even if there were only 700,000 not 6,000,000, or how perverted homosexuals were destroying the country, and how "Jo-mahn-ee" was the best country in Europe because men fight like men unlike men in the US.

I won't even describe the $5 pringles and crackers and something lunch on Northwest Airlines which I did not buy as I packed my own lunch, enough to share with the stranger sitting next to me, in fact. He liked the Bumblebee Tuna with crackers package. His wife slept.

Nor will I carp about the return flight where I went through TWO terrorist weeding out machines after removing my explosive-laden shoes, my bomb-triggering cell phone, my antique art deco necklace, my belt, my shearling coat, and my 18 frozen donuts from the Franklin Cider Mill.

Lucky for me, I didn't have to go through the extra special screening for potential bombers. I believe that was reserved for the little boy in the stroller behind me who put up a suspicious fuss over having to remove his shoes. "Waaaaaah, mommy, I want my shoes. MINE!" I can assure you, I kept a close eye on those itty bitty velcroed sneakers as they traversed the conveyor belt.

I will tell you that I forgot my quart size zip lock bag and had to smuggle a half-empty (or was it half-full?) tube of my fave Estee Lauder lip gloss through security. It was safely ensconced in my pocket.

But it's different here in the US.

Republicans suck.

Susan


     
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5. Friday, December 1, 2006 6:17 PM
danwhy RE: So the U.S. has a record of what I eat


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Lol, I'm not saying Republicans suck, I've met some very nice ones ;-)

I am saying I'm not so comfortable that the government will just give this up to private companies, seems a little wrong to me.  Sorry about your cab driver but hey, that's L.A.!


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6. Friday, December 1, 2006 9:03 PM
nuart RE: So the U.S. has a record of what I eat


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It's those private companies that are worse than the government when it comes to what you eat.  Or what they THINK you eat. 

Some time back, after a trip to New Orleans, I was craving those southern pralines.  I did a Google search for them and clicked on several southern praline companies website looking to see if I could tell which ones were the most similar to those I had in our hotel in N.O.  

About a week later, the praline catalogs started coming to my house!  I never gave them an address or a name.  I was only reading about pralines.

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7. Friday, December 1, 2006 10:13 PM
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But if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about...

Until you switch seats with someone who ordered Halal, and that person's dinner puts a red flag on your dossier for the next 40 years, and there isn't a thing you can do about it.

I'd say "Go vegan!" -- but that probably puts you on a list of EarthFirst! sympathizers.

Does anyone else miss sanity in civic life? 


 

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