Surprised no one has brought this up - maybe it doesn't matter. But it seems like Clinton admin spied on Princess Di WITHOUT permission from the Brits .

Good thing Bush didn't do this because it would be just one more example of this "fascist" administration.

Jordan .

I'm pretty sure you have no evidence for that deduction, Erwin.  Pretty sure that would be a waste of time.  Maybe it's Mohammed 72 Virgin's phone lines though.  Or Ahmed Six-Camels'?  Maybe the Brits will be tapping into Vladimir Polonium 210's lines now?

You know how those CIA types (Valerie Plame maybe???) like nothing more, while engaging in their dangerous covert activities, than listening into conversations about the upcoming bowling league's tournament.  Imagine the look of surprise on the Dude's face when the feds rush in!  DROP!!!  You have the right to remain silent!

It's a smalll world afterall...

It's a small

small

world.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

I wonder what the story is with this Forstman character mentioned in this follow up article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=421754&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

In defense of Bill and Co. was there a danger in Di staying with Forstman? If so it was well meaning, but why not let MI5 know about the surveillance ? Perhaps that Wallace reporter guy can ask Bill the answer next interview. Can you imagine how Bill would bristle over that ? Yikes !!

(Was Bill looking to "connect" with Di ?)

Most excellent rejoinder, my friend!

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

From our friends at FNC:

U.S. Officials Deny Spying on Princess Diana

Monday, December 11, 2006

Foxnews

"yet another example of both the Conservative Hate Machine. And the anti-Clinton psychosis of the Republican'ts. "

You know, RB, I don't have a single bone of hate in my body for anyone. I spent 5 years working in a left-leaning organization with left-leaning individuals, and currently work with a liberal and have no feeling against any of them. I have numerous friends (some on this board) who are are moderate to liberals. I never met Clinton so I don't have any personal hatred of the man. I think his policies were not good, and I think he disgraced the Oval Office, but I have no personal hatred for the man. So unless you can prove that I hate Clinton, Liberals or anyone else, I'd prefer not to be attacked as such. If you have a problem with Conservatives personally because of family or whatever it is, that's your problem and I would strongly suggest you leave it off of this board.

This board has been around longer than you have. Trust me, we've had Bush called a facist in one form or another here in the past 6 years. Good try.....In any case, plenty of individuals OUTSIDE this board have referred to Bush as a fascist which makes my original post valid. Ever been to a anti-war rally or seen pictures from one with signs referring to Bush as a facsist? My point is still valid - if this was done during Bush's adminstration, this would just be one more example of the "evil" of the Bush admin, wouldn't it?

In any case, does it bother you that the Clinton admin may have bugged and may have been spying on Princess Di without permission from the British?

Jordan .

The Secret Service and, I think, the CIA both say they didn't bug Lady Di. You accepted that kind of denial about he Valarie Plame case... So there you go.

You feel Clinton disgraced the Oval Office and don't hate him? Come again. But didn't Bush disgrace the Oval Office with lies about Iraq and WMD (nobody died when Clinton lied), when he or someone close to him disclosed State secrets by revealing a CIA officer's name during Wartime? Or by... you know we could go on and on. Speaking of all this, all it took to Impeach Clinton was a blow job, and we can't seem to impeach Bush for endangering national security. Most conservatives, not including you or other conservatives on this board, aren't bothered by that. What does that tell you about the morals of conservatives in this country?

As for not hating anyone; I sense some negative feelings when you say I "better" leave my feelings off the board. Oh, and just so's ya know, I'm older than 6. Good try.

"You accepted that kind of denial about he Valarie Plame case... So there you go."

Uhm....what denial did I accept? That the WH and CIA didn't leak her name? Well, it was true - they told the truth. The State Dept did it. So there you go.

"You feel Clinton disgraced the Oval Office and don't hate him? Come again."

Disgracing something is different from hatred. If you are older than 6 then you should know that.

"But didn't Bush disgrace the Oval Office with lies about Iraq and WMD (nobody died when Clinton lied), when he or someone close to him disclosed State secrets by revealing a CIA officer's name during Wartime?"

Theer we go again.....please prove that Bush lied and no Democrat didn't lie also. And Armitage was not close to Bush so once again, WRONG. Seriously, do you even know what the end story is with Plame? Or are you still convinced Karl Rove was the evil mastermind?

"Speaking of all this, all it took to Impeach Clinton was a blow job, and we can't seem to impeach Bush for endangering national security. Most conservatives, not including you or other conservatives on this board, aren't bothered by that. What does that tell you about the morals of conservatives in this country?"

Here we go again....It wasn't because of a blowjob in the Oval Office. It was because HE LIED UNDER OATH IN A COURTROOM!!!! HE PERJURED HIMSELF!!!! Getting oral sex in the Oval Office is NOT ILLEGAL, nor breaking the law. LYING IN A COURT ROOM AND MAYBE GETTING SOMEONE TO LIE FOR YOU IS! The latter is called obstruction of justice. And Clinton lost his law license because of it.

As I asked above - explain FACTUALLY (not your theories and "beliefs") how Bush endangered national security.

"As for not hating anyone; I sense some negative feelings when you say I "better" leave my feelings off the board."

the ongoing blanketed attacks at conservatives here is what I am referring to. You have some deep-felt anger at Conservatives and every single one of your posts is filled with it. No one on this board has attacked you personally, and yet almost every single post you have made have been blanket attacks at Conservatives. 

Jordan .

I don't accept the "offical" story of the VP case. I posted on a separate thread that Clinton's action under oath is an act of Civil Disobedence. The government was wrong to question him about his personal life. He was right to lie because the governement was wrong. Of course, Civil Disobedence carries come consequences, which is carries nobley.

I "attack Conservatives"? I see liberals attacked on this board all the time. This initial post for instance. I rather like to think I challenge what conservatives have to say. There is a certain amount of shock value which I have found necessary to break the dissociative fugue state in which most Bush supporters live.  

"I don't accept the "offical" story of the VP case."

Fine....ignore facts, and the FACT that Armitage is not a Bush follower and admitted to being the leaker.

"I posted on a separate thread that Clinton's action under oath is an act of Civil Disobedence. The government was wrong to question him about his personal life. He was right to lie because the governement was wrong. Of course, Civil Disobedence carries come consequences, which is carries nobley."

Govt may have been "wrong" in questioning him, but just because they were wrong, doesn't mean you BREAK THE LAW by lying. I am literally flabbergasted! We are talking about lying about sex in a court case. We aren't talking abotu civil rights. We aren't talking about hiding someone who may be killed wrongfully by the govt. It was something as SMALL as lying about sex in a court case (using the same logic from the left that states that it wasn't a big deal). Men and women have gone to jail and have had house arrest for lying under oath about sex all across this great land of ours, and here we are, talking about the nobleness/bravery of Clinton because he lied under oath about having an affair (to avoid a scandal) because you feel that the govt was wrong in its investigation, and that Clinton is a great man because he stood up against the govt. Very noble.

"This initial post for instance."

Uhm.....my first post was an attack? How so? I stated a probable fact - "Clinton admin spied on Pricess Di." I then made a statement about how it's good Bush wasn't the one because it would be one more item that would be used against him, nd just one more excuse to call him a "fascist" (which you thought was wrong of me). How in the world is that a liberal attack? I didn't call liberals stupid. I didn't call liberals names. I didn't even use the L word. I didn't call Clinton stupid, I didn't call Clinton anything in fact. If you think that is an attack, then I don't know what to say.

"There is a certain amount of shock value which I have found necessary to break the dissociative fugue state in which most Bush supporters live. "

LOL! That's funny coming from you after your reasoning for Clinton's lie! "It's okay to break the law if the govt is wrong." Forgetting the fact that "wrong" in this equation is subjective and up for debate.

Jordan .

I don't think Bill Clinton even sank to the level of declaring his perjury an act of civil disobedience, RB. Will have to check his well-indexed book which is sitting around here somewhere. No doubt there will be an entry for 'civil disobedience' though I'd be surprised if anywhere within that subject there's any mention of a sexual harrassment lawsuit.

Had you been around in the days of yore, you would find me consistently against sexual harrassment lawsuits. For the few truly egregious times when a boss says "Have sex with me or you're fired" I think this can very neatly fall under other existing labor laws. Lest we forget the bed was made almost entirely by Dems and their trial lawyer backers to make a few bucks for themselves and their infantile clients like Paula Jones. When it was time for Clinton to lie in that bed, it was merely a case of chickens coming home to roost.

The whole episode was stomach turning on just about every human level. The worst part - there has not been any return to common sense since. Sexual harrassment laws treat humans -- particularly women -- as little children unable to cope with big bad boorish men without the help of compassionate trial lawyers. 40% cut, thank you very much! Hey, lawyers need work too.

Speaking of Diana (we were, weren't we?) I saw the pathetic Mohammed Fayed yesterday morning. It was instructive on more than one level to listen to him spout conspiracy theories in the face of the LATEST massive 850 page report on the ACCIDENTAL death of his son and Lady Di. Like 'they' say, you can take the boy out of Egypt but you can't take the Egyptian out of the boy. He was the perfect illustration of why I fight the conspiracy theory power here in the US whenever I get the chance. I'd hate to see the US slip into the backward mode of tribal paranoia.

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

yes, we were talking about Princess Di, and I'm still waiting for an answer to this question from RB. The only type of response I got from that was regarding some backhanded comment back at me regarding Plame:

In any case, does it bother you that the Clinton admin may have bugged and may have been spying on Princess Di without permission from the British?

Jordan .

QUOTE: QUOTE: I "attack Conservatives"? I see liberals attacked on this board all the time. This initial post for instance. I think that's how this forum works. If a right-winger posts a thread, it looks like this: "Look at what the silly Democrats have done now." And if a left-winger posts a thread it looks like this: "Look at what the silly Republicans have done now." Then come the replies.

Yes, indeed you have discerned a certain pattern here, Booth!  But I would beg to differ on a fine point.  You are correct when you say the right characterizes the left as "silly."  It is rarely the reverse as evidenced most recently by Razor's cutting edge -- "HATE machine" por ejemplo.  "Evil" or "hateful" or "warmongering" might be more accurate terms from the left when describing the right.  Silly?  Can't recall that one.    

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

Jordan .