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1. Monday, December 11, 2006 12:45 PM
Raymond Iranian Students Give Ahmadinejad the Business


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Some brave students heckle the "personable" Iranian leader.

Iran students heckle Ahmadinejad
Dec 11 8:03 AM US/Eastern

 

 

Iranian students have disrupted a speech by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a prestigious Tehran university, setting fire to his picture and heckling him.

"Some students chanted radical slogans and inflamed the atmosphere of the meeting" at the Amir Kabir University, said the semi-official Fars news agency on Monday, which is close to Ahmadinejad.

 "A small number of students shouted 'death to the dictator' and smashed cameras of state television but they were confronted by a bigger group of students in the hall chanting: 'We support Ahmadinejad'," it said.

It was the latest in a series of student demonstrations in recent days, the first time in least two years that such protests have taken place on this scale at Iranian universities.

Ahmadinejad responded by describing those students chanting the slogans as an "oppressive" minority.

"A small number of people who claim there is oppression are creating oppression and do not let the majority hear (my) words," he said.

According to the student news agency ISNA, Ahmadinejad responded to the students' chants of "students can die but they do not accept degradation" by lashing out at the United States.

"Today, the worst type of dictatorship in the world is the American dictatorship which has been clothed in human rights," he said.

"Our students are free and they fight and die but do not accept the foreigners' missions or bend to them," he added.

"It is my honour to burn for the sake of the nation's ideals and defend the system," Ahmadinejad was quoted as telling protesters who set fire his picture, ISNA said.

"Americans must know that even if Ahmadinejad's body is burnt a thousand times for this purpose, Ahmadinejad will not retreat even a centimetre from these ideals."

The Iranian president's speech was also interrupted by firecrackers, ISNA said.

A group of Amir Kabir's top students had earlier expressed objections to the government's economic and political agenda as well as "confrontation with student activists and ridding universities of independent lecturers".

"Bankrupting the country's industry, inflation, distribution of poverty, defacement of the country's international image and playing with the nation's fate in diplomatic issues," were among the points brought up in a statement.

"University is alive and criticises the government," it added, according to ISNA.

The incident came after hundreds of Iranian students protested at Amir Kabir on Sunday to denounce a crackdown on a reformist-led university association, according to the ISNA news agency.

Between 2,000 and 3,000 students also demonstrated at Tehran University on Wednesday to mark students' day, chanting slogans such as "for freedom and against despotism", ISNA reported at the time.

 
2. Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:29 AM
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At least Iranian students are allowed to heckle that particular tyrannt.


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3. Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:19 AM
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Found out a few weeks ago when my mother-in-law was in town that my wife's neighbor growing up just got back from Iran. They escaped in the 70s just before the current regime took over. My mother-in-law said that everyone in Iran is very scared to even privately denounce Ahmadinejad. There's lots of talk on the street of people being killed for even the slightest criticism.

 


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4. Monday, December 18, 2006 6:06 PM
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Rebutting the post by Razor above that claims that Iranian students are free to and allowed to heckle and criticize the personable Ahmadinejad :

Iranian students hide in fear for lives after venting fury at Ahmadinejad


· President's supporters vow revenge on protesters
· Activists forecast harsher crackdown on dissent


Robert Tait in Tehran
Monday December 18, 2006
The Guardian


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's backers show their support during his visit to Amir Kabir university
The president's backers show their support during his visit to Amir Kabir university last week to counter protests by student activists. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images
 


Iranian student activists who staged an angry protest against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad last week have gone into hiding in fear for their lives after his supporters threatened them with revenge.

One student fled after being photographed holding a banner reading, "Fascist president, the polytechnic is not for you", during Mr Ahmadinejad's visit to Tehran's Amir Kabir university. At least three others have gone underground after being seen burning his picture. Vigilantes from the militant Ansar-e Hezbollah group have been searching for them.

 

Students now fear an even fiercer crackdown. "We believe [the authorities] will react much worse than before," said Armin Salmasi, 26, a leading activist. "We are already under constant surveillance. The student movement in Iran is going to be driven underground - just like it was before the revolution." ...

 

 
5. Monday, December 18, 2006 5:44 PM
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Just a thought but Rafsanjani looks half way reasonable when compared to Aminadejad. Hat's off to the brave anti Ahmad students and other disgruntled Iranian citizens letting their dissatisfaction known under dangerous circumstances.  

 
6. Monday, December 18, 2006 6:31 PM
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Here's a look back at the moderate Rafsanjani from -- what else? -- MEMRI.org. Nearly 5 years ago and you can see the obsessive preoccupation with Israel is something shared with Ahmadinejad.  Oh, and with Mel Gibson too!

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January 3, 2002 No.325
Former Iranian President Rafsanjani on Using a Nuclear Bomb Against Israel

Every year, in a tradition introduced by the late Ayatollah Ruhallah Khomenei, Iran marks World Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day on the last Friday of the month of Ramadan to show its solidarity with the Palestinian people. Former Iranian president and "Expediency Council" Chairman Ali Akhbar Hashemi Rafsanjani gave the Al-Quds Day sermon on December 14, 2001 at Tehran University, which was attended by thousands of worshippers. In the sermon, he addressed solving the problem of Israel with nuclear weapons.

Following are core elements of the speech, as reported in Iran's English, Farsi and Arabic newspapers.[1] As none of these sources provided a direct transcript of Rafsanjani's speech, all style problems can be attributed to the original Iranian English version which we adhered to:

On Colonialism and Zionism
Rafsanjani said that "global arrogance, led by the U.S. and U.K.," is responsible for the crimes that the "artificial" state of Israel has been committing worldwide over the past half-century. The UN and other segments of the arrogant world have been supporting Israeli crimes, he said, and, cautioning against what he called "global arrogance arms buildup [by the U.S.]" in an attempt to revive the colonialist era, he asked nations and governments to prevent colonialism from attaining its goals.

Rafsanjani added: "International Zionism has been the driving force of this ugly phenomenon; Zionism is divisive; a century has passed since the onset of Zionism, but not every Jew is a Zionist, and not all members of the Zionist party are Jews."

He noted that the Zionist party is still highly active worldwide, and it is the driving force of important events taking place in the world in connection with Israel. He called the disasters that have occurred in the half-century-old state of Israel an encyclopedia of colonial crimes. Palestinians are not the only ones to have suffered from the plan to establish this "forged" Israeli state; the Jews too are paying the price, he added.

Rafsanjani claimed that the Jews had a place in various parts of the world, living rather well in each country. But this phenomenon [Zionism] caused them to take a stance regarding their religious state and leave their homes, under pressure and in the name of migration [to Israel]. Jews should wait for a day when this "extraneous matter" would be removed from the region and the world of Islam, and those who have gathered together in Israel would one day be dispersed again.

Rafsanjani stated that the establishment of Israel has inflicted hundreds of billions of dollars in damage on states in the region. However, since the essence of the phenomenon of Israel is colonialist - colonialism benefits from this fabricated government. Rafsanjani added that following the end of the official colonialist [era], the perpetrators of colonialism set out to replace it, examined various means, and [found that] the most important means was to create states that were connected by the umbilicus to colonialism in sensitive areas.

The formation of the Zionist state in the land of Palestine was a multi-faceted base for colonialism. By this means, the West rid itself of Zionism, while establishing it in Palestine. Meanwhile, the colonialists affiliated themselves with Zionism and the state of Israel so as to keep them like a tool in their service, even though, for its own survival, colonialism is itself dependent on Zionism.

Rafsanjani added that with the formation of Israel, colonialists created insecurity in the region, exposing states to threats so as to bring them under the dominion of colonialism. The survival of Israel depends on the interests of global arrogance and colonialism, and as long as this base is beneficial to them, they will preserve it.

Nuclear Weapons Can Solve the Israel Problem
Rafsanjani said that Muslims must surround colonialism and force them [the colonialists] to see whether Israel is beneficial to them or not. If one day, he said, the world of Islam comes to possess the weapons currently in Israel's possession [meaning nuclear weapons] - on that day this method of global arrogance would come to a dead end. This, he said, is because the use of a nuclear bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, whereas it will only damage the world of Islam.

Israel, Islamic Jihad, and Liberation of Palestine
Rafsanjani said that it is unlikely that the Palestinian Jihad will weaken. He explained that the Palestinians have come to the conclusion that talks [with Israel] are effective only along with struggle and self-sacrifice – the two key elements that gave way to the second Intifada. The Palestinian Jihad is the mother of many Islamic movements, ranging from the [1979] Islamic Revolution in Iran to Islamic movements in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Central Asia, and many other Muslim states. All these Islamic movements support the Palestinian Jihad and have not forgotten it. The Palestinian Jihad has its roots in the homelessness of five million people. Undoubtedly, [this Jihad's] culmination will be the liberation of Palestine.

Colonialism and the Threat of a Third World War
Rafsanjani added that in its propaganda campaign against the Palestinian Jihad, colonialism used four tools: propaganda, violence, deception, and the instrumental application of the Palestinian Authority. He warned the agents of world arrogance of the day when they would pay dearly for the pressure they were applying on the Palestinian people, as one day these exhausted, pious, and martyrdom-seeking people would decide to strike at the vital interests of [global] arrogance everywhere, and they will do this – it is possible. Rafsanjani advised Western states "not to let the situation reach this [point] and not to pin their hopes on Israeli violence [to serve Western goals] - because it will be very dangerous. We are not willing to see the security of the world disrupted."

Rafsanjani warned of the outbreak of World War III: "The confrontation of pious and martyrdom-seeking forces with the highest forces of colonialism is extremely dangerous, and might inflame a third world war."

"In the present circumstance," concluded Rafsanjani, "the world and the region need sobriety on the part of nations and states, on the one hand, and realism and fairness on the part of 'arrogant' powers. We hope that problems will be solved on the side of right, justice, and truth."


[1] Iran News (English), Kayhan (Farsi), and Al-Wifaq (Arabic), December 15, 2001

 


     
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7. Monday, December 18, 2006 8:19 PM
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Oh well, so much for Rafsanjani. 

 
8. Monday, December 18, 2006 8:21 PM
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9. Friday, December 22, 2006 6:03 PM
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Be certain that somewhere in Iran, some Jordan/Nuart counterpart/doubles are writing fiery editorials blasting these progressive voices as being “good news” for Bush and the CIA.  

 

I just saw ace cucumber-head David Brooks on McNeil-Lehrer, unloading the theory that the U.S. should not speak with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as per the suggestion of the Baker Commission Report, saying instead that the U.S. should deal only with these Iranian reformers, should they come into power.  Which I supposed is like refusing to deal with U.S. until Bush gets the boot and some Democrat is elected.


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10. Friday, December 22, 2006 7:41 PM
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Be certain that somewhere in Iran, some Jordan/Nuart counterpart/doubles are writing fiery editorials blasting these progressive voices as being “good news” for Bush and the CIA.

Somewhere in Iran, just about everything is being written, Gavin.  

However, I'm not quite able to walk through the Gavin looking glass to make sense of the concept above.  I'm trying though because it's an enjoyable premise to imagine Ahmed and Mahtab writing fiery editorials about progressive voices.  Hmm, let me see.  Would they be the Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah sponsored members of the Official Press writing about the students?  Hmmm, so they would be progressive, which in Gavin-world would = a good thing.  So being fiery against them would be a bad thing but then you'd also be against the CIA and Bush.  (as if those two were simpatico.) And then the students must fall down on the side of the CIA and Bush which is un-progressive.  I'm lost.

Jordan, did you know we are virtually indistinguishable?  

Oh well.  Merry CHRISTmas, to you Gavin, if I don't see you again between now and the date we celebrate the birth of the Christ child.

Away in a manger

No crib for a bed.

The little lord Jesus

Lay down his sweet head...

Susan 


     
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