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26. Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:45 AM
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Well of course you haven't heard about the credit/Gore story..... Instead the "mainstream media" is going to report about Cheney and Halliburton. Not only that, but these carbon credits are completely questionable in the first place. HEre's the story in question that breaks it down, and here's the original story.

If Gore wants to have conflict of interest - like Cheney - I have no problems with it, persnally. Govt has always been and always will be like that -- it's the nature of the beast, and started way back in the day. It's the name of the game. But since so many people on this board and elsewhere have had problems with Cheney's conflict of interest, I just figured that these individuals would also like to know about Gore and his ties too --- since everyone was so concerned about Cheney, Haliburton, Bush and "Big Oil." It's only fair that we learn about his ties, isn't it? (that's a rhetorical question)


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27. Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:53 AM
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Yeah, the mainstream media, they really avoid those Democrat scandals, don't they? I guess that's why Obama being a smoker was only headline news for what, a week or so? Or why they tried so hard to make a big deal out of Pelosi's trip to Syria?

I don't see mainstream analysis of Halliburton moving to Dubai. I don't see mainstream discussions of how much oil is coming out if Iraq. And when I say "I don't see", I'm not talking about ten mini-paragraphs on page A11 jammed in above a furniture ad that didn't quite fit the page, I'm talking about the regular, ongoing, front-page coverage that these issues deserve, and will never get.

At any rate, Al Gore seems to be doing something remarkable -- with this new focus on his personal electrical bill, he seems to be turning conservatives into environmentalists. Let me know when "his" company is pulling in a billion dollars a month and invading nations that have profitable levels of carbon emissions, and I may start to share your concern.

And if an environmental group which compares Gore's house to similar homes and finds his efforts lacking decides to criticize him, well, I'll take that more seriously than a "free-market think tank that normally focuses on economic issues" crawling out of nowhere to say that Gore is using way more electricity that "the average homeowner".

I'm not crazy about Gore either, I just dislike him for different reasons.


 
28. Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:45 PM
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Look, I made this on the internets!



 
29. Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:22 AM
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By the way, is this "carbon credits" program something like the medieval Catholic church system of peddling indulgences? Three hail Marys and Ten Gold nuggets will absolve you of your sins.

Susan

Great minds thinking alike category.  Look how this cartoonist in today's New York Times incorporates the same notion.

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30. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:11 PM
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Great minds at the NYT?


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31. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:48 PM
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Great minds at the NYT?

Yes, oddly enough, there are a few.  Maybe not the author of this article.  But the illustrator is pretty clever.  A freelancer.

When my son was a widdle boy, "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs" was one of his favorite books.

Ron Barrett is an illustrator, author and puzzle maker. He wrote The Nutty News and has illustrated many books, such as a series of children's books with Judi Barrett (including Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs and Animals Should Definitely Not Wear Clothing. He is a contributing artist and puzzle designer for GAMES Magazine.Hi People of the world!!!!!!

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32. Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:31 PM
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"At any rate, Al Gore seems to be doing something remarkable -- with this new focus on his personal electrical bill, he seems to be turning conservatives into environmentalists. Let me know when "his" company is pulling in a billion dollars a month and invading nations that have profitable levels of carbon emissions, and I may start to share your concern."

Oh, people were complaining about Cheney and Haliburton before the war. The first time I remember him being criticized for it was during the election. The concern grew after Afghanistan and Iraq. But then again, I don't hear anyone concerned about other Dems' ties to companies who are making billions off of Iraq like Halliburton. Nope, we only hear abouit Halliburton and Cheney. (There's this little unknown Democratic Congressman over in California who has ties to a company making lots of $$$$.)

"share your concern" - Again, I don't have any concerns so you don't need to share my concern. I'm not buying credits, so i don't care. I just thought I'd throw it out there since everyone is so concerned about people's ties to other companies and industries.

If no one cares, that's great....

Great editorial, Susan. That's pretty much what it is. I've been doing a lot of SUV-ing lately -- better get myself to the Church of the Green (Dollar Bill).


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33. Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:46 PM
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Oh, people were complaining about Cheney and Haliburton before the war. The first time I remember him being criticized for it was during the election.

Hahaha, I remember laughing at how it was IMPOSSIBLE to read the words "Dick Cheney" without seeing alongside it: "formerly CEO of Halliburton." Conversely you'd never see the word "Halliburton" without reading "Cheney is former CEO of Halliburton."  Around the election, that linkage was as ubiquitous  as John Kerry =  Vietnam Vet.

Although it's been around for nearly a century, Halliburton was virtually unnknown to the general public until Bush-Cheney 2000. That's about the time they became officially evil.

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34. Monday, April 30, 2007 6:51 AM
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Yeah, they weren't evil during the 90s when Clinton's admin was hiring Halliburton for their projects.


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35. Monday, April 30, 2007 7:54 AM
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QUOTE:Yeah, they weren't evil during the 90s when Clinton's admin was hiring Halliburton for their projects.

 Yes they were.


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36. Monday, April 30, 2007 8:46 AM
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for the life of me, I can't remember anyone ever complaining about Halliburton in the 90s when Clinton's admin was signing them on for jobs.


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37. Monday, April 30, 2007 9:20 AM
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Just one point to make to those fine, good guys Hero and Jamie - guys that I like and sometimes agree with !!! :

In the world there are only , I believe, two companies that can handle the type and scope of work done by Halliburton. And Halliburton is the premier " can do" company of the two.

 

 

 
38. Monday, April 30, 2007 10:11 AM
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DISCLAIMER: I'm not including any present company in this generalization but I must comment on the curious fact that it is usually the angry lefties of the world who luxuriate in a cozy familial comaraderie by means of their useless preoccupation of demonizing large SUCCESSFUL American corporations, whether it be Microsoft, Starbucks, McDonalds, Walmart, or Halliburton.  The choice of corporation is a variable but the demonization is a constant.  I've always found this amazing, even in the midst of my most leftist days. 
 
Each of these companies had humble beginnings, withstood unthinkable adversity before succeeding. Each of them has persevered unbelievable hardships in order to STAY in business over the long term.
 
A corporation cannot be "evil." People can. So who is it that is evil within any of these corporations? The long deceased Mr. & Mrs. Leda and Erle Halliburton? Ray Kroc? Bill Gates? Howard Schultz? Each of the aforementioned began with the vision of one or two hardworking, imaginative people. Credit where it's due, in my opinion.
 
Corporations are no more infallible than your run-of-the-mill angry leftist is, but when the balance sheet reaches the bottom line, I'm pleased to have had the bulk of the world's most successful corporations having had their genesis in my country. The world is better served by the products and the largesse of charitable contributions of one Erle Halliburton or one Bill Gates than it is by legions of carping lefties whining about the unfairness of it all. 
 
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39. Monday, April 30, 2007 11:24 AM
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A world class FRAUD calls our dear friends to the north-Canada - A FRAUD !!!

THis jet fuel guzzling, pompous, inventer of the the internet, savior of the world against the powers of the universe no less, is too mucking futch :

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQM6MO0.html

Yeah, this clown Gore knows what a good plan is when he sees it, He is a climate scientist too ya know.

Egocentric windbag Bore. This boob makes Hillary look better ! Keep printing up those Carbon Credits Gore -you phony useless con man .

Please Democrats- drop Hillary, Edwards and Gore. Obama is short on experience for sure , but you Dems may win in 2008 -so lets take a chance with Obama, OK ?

 
40. Monday, April 30, 2007 11:30 AM
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Susan - Boo to big corporations.  To my mind, they are always bad.  You've got to kneecap 'em when they start taking liberties (or before).  Mind you, I'm pretty sure I think about Marxist critiques of capitalism at least once a day, so who knows if I'm your average carping leftie or even average anything.

Raymond - That may be true, but private companies shouldn't be doing things that the public purse is paying for.  IMO.

Jordan - I don't remember that either, but they still were.

 


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41. Monday, April 30, 2007 11:50 AM
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Andrew, you're right about "big" being a problem.  Almost big anything.  Big cities -- I always think of 500,000-700,000 as being the perfect size -- big school districts (over 100,000), big families where the children do the parents' jobs, big government, big bureaucracy and yes, big corporations.  The problems that come about as a result of unwieldy size are what makes big less good than medium size.  Too small is often unsustainable so that's no good either. 

Having said all that about 'big' we still have to deal with the fact of life in a global economy -- in an international realm -- that big and even bigger is going to be in all our futures for the foreseeable future.  That is, unless Al Gore's hysteria is correct and we revert to some nomadic Mad Max post-apocolyptic stage of small clusters of hungry, starving, hot and bothered tribes traipsing across parched landscapes seeking out a drop of potable liquid.  Hahaha, the left will get its last laugh then as corporations like Halliburton and Microsoft are wiped out!  The shells of their corporate headquarters throughout the world piled high with corpses of the left behind.  Oops.  Wrong apocalypse!

It takes a loooooong time to be big.  And having weathered the storms of the growth process, there's scant chance of making a conscious decision to stay middle-sized.  Victims of success, they are.   

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42. Monday, April 30, 2007 12:10 PM
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 That is, unless Al Gore's hysteria is correct and we revert to some nomadic Mad Max post-apocolyptic stage of small clusters of hungry, starving, hot and bothered tribes traipsing across parched landscapes seeking out a drop of potable liquid.  Hahaha, the left will get its last laugh then as corporations like Halliburton and Microsoft are wiped out!  The shells of their corporate headquarters throughout the world piled high with corpses of the left behind. 


 Bwahahaha!  Success comrades! 

The Weasel was doing these seminars last year, and during one of them the speaker threw out some study or studies that seemed to indicate that the optimum number of people in a company or barn-raising or bar mitzvah or whatever it may be that people get together to do...was something like 45.  I'll have to ask her if she remembers.

So get 45 people together, and whatever they do, they do it really well.  Admit it, you can't ethnically cleanse with 45 people.  But you can throw a great party.


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43. Monday, April 30, 2007 12:20 PM
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So get 45 people together, and whatever they do, they do it really well. Admit it, you can't ethnically cleanse with 45 people. But you can throw a great party.


Is there a cleaning company where everyone on the payroll is a minority? Because Ethnic Cleansers would be a great name for such a business.

 
44. Monday, April 30, 2007 12:34 PM
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I think Gore is an opportunistic hypocrit and a fraud.

Here is an article that challenges Professor Gore on global warming- just for balance , which has been missing in this debate :  http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21636036-5012769,00.html

"THE United States' leading hurricane forecaster says global ocean currents, not human-produced carbon dioxide, are responsible for global warming.

William Gray, a Colorado State University researcher, also said the Earth may begin to cool on its own in five to 10 years.

Speaking to a group of Republican MPs, Dr Gray had harsh words for researchers and politicians who said man-made greenhouse gases were responsible for global warming.

"They are blaming it all on humans, which is crazy," he said.

"We're not the cause of it."

Dr Gray said in the past 40 years the number of serious hurricanes making landfall on the US Atlantic coast had declined even though carbon dioxide levels had risen.

He said increasing levels of carbon dioxide would not produce more, or stronger, hurricanes.

Dr Gray, 77, has long criticised the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

Earlier this month, he dubbed former US vice-president and 2000 Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore "a gross alarmist" for making the Oscar-winning documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, which helped focus media attention on global warming.

Yesterday, Dr Gray said that politics and research into global warming had created "almost an industry" that had frightened the public and overwhelmed dissenting voices.

He said research arguing that humans were causing global warming was "mush" based on unreliable computer models that could not possibly take into account the hundreds of factors that influenced the weather. ..."

 
45. Monday, April 30, 2007 11:27 PM
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QUOTE: Is there a cleaning company where everyone on the payroll is a minority?

 I think it's safe to say, yes.


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46. Tuesday, May 1, 2007 8:43 AM
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Then there's the Chinese laundry who was sued for reinforcing cultural stereotypes. The same could occur with an Ethnic Cleansers housekeeping service.

Be sensitive!

Chinese Laundry Owner Blasted For Reinforcing Negative Ethnic Stereotypes

April 1, 1998

SAN FRANCISCO—Second-generation Chinese-American laundry owner Raymond Chen is under heavy fire this week from Bay Area activists who call him "an insulting caricature that perpetuates long-outdated, grossly prejudiced images of Asian Americans."

Chinese Laundry

Activists are calling Raymond Chen, a Chinese American who owns a laundry shop and speaks with an accent, "a grossly offensive racial stereotype."

"It's frightening to think that, in 1998, some of us still haven't moved beyond the century-old stereotype of Chinese people as laundrymen," said Abigail Huber-Henson, a University of California at Berkeley cultural-studies professor and director of the Race Action Project, the campus group spearheading the crusade against Chen. "This man is a degrading anachronism that has no place in a supposedly enlightened society like ours. To meet him is to be directly confronted with America's shameful history of racism."

Added Huber-Henson: "We should no more tolerate this than we would a Pakistani convenience-store owner or a Jewish lawyer."

An extensive anti-Chen public-awareness campaign, including petitions, rallies, and letters to city and state officials, has already reduced business at the embattled Chen Chinese Laundry by 40 percent. Chen, 33, said he is puzzled by the strong reaction to him and his business.

"I do not understand why all these people hate me," Chen told reporters. "I run a good laundry. My family has owned and operated this business for nearly 60 years. I grew up here in this neighborhood. We do dry cleaning, starching, pressing–everything you need, no problem. We have good prices and even do emergency rush jobs for only small additional fee. I have done nothing wrong."

The controversy is expected to heat up Friday, when hearings begin at San Francisco City Hall. The hearings, which are expected to last several weeks due to the long list of academics and activists who wish to speak out against Chen, will determine if his presence in the community can be prosecuted under local "hate crime" statutes. Chen's opponents argue that the launderer should be ruled a violation of San Francisco's anti-hate-speech municipal code, established in 1990 to guarantee persons of color a living environment free of "offensive and emotionally damaging racial language or imagery." If convicted, Chen could face fines of up to $20,000 and up to 15 months in prison, as well as mandatory attendance at anti-racism workshops.

Chinese Laundry jump

An anti-Chen rally in San Francisco.

"As long as Chen is allowed to continue this grotesque and derogatory display, we cannot consider the Bay Area a 'safe space' for Asian Americans," Huber-Henson said. "His cartoonish, insultingly narrow depiction of Asian Americans makes him, in effect, a cultural terrorist, wreaking untold damage to the self-esteem of millions of minority citizens. We demand that these people–who are human beings, just like you and me—be treated with the dignity they deserve."

Chen has responded to the controversy surrounding him with a series of local television spots, paid for out of his own pocket, in which he pleads his case to the community.

"Why is everyone so mad at me?" Chen says in one of the spots. "Because of how I talk? I was born in America, but I was raised in Chinese-speaking home. English is second language to me. Most of my friends and neighbors speak Chinese as their main language, too. There are many Americans who speak languages that are not English."

The 30-second spots have only intensified opposition to Chen. Said Janet Dundee, a sociology professor at UC-Berkeley: "Did you see those television ads? It's like seeing Charlie Chan up there on the screen, talking about his 'honable numbah won son' and saying, 'Pleasah, beg forgivaness.' Frankly, I am stunned that the local television stations would permit the broadcast of such blatantly racist material."

Though the potential penalties facing Chen are harsh, some believe they do not go far enough.

"With prejudice and intolerance still rampant in our society, anti-hate-speech codes are an important first step," said Beverly White, director of the San Mateo-based Stop Racism Now. "However, putting Chen in jail for 15 months is not going to erase the pain he has caused the countless Asian Americans he has mocked and insulted. The real issue here is so much bigger than just one man. No enlightened society should allow stereotypes like Chen to exist at all."

White then outlined her group's long-range goal to get legislation passed that would authorize the forced relocation of all ethnic stereotypes to internment camps in the California desert.

 


     
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47. Tuesday, May 1, 2007 8:56 AM
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Then there's the Chinese laundry who was sued for reinforcing cultural stereotypes. The same could occur with an Ethnic Cleansers housekeeping service.

Be sensitive!

Chinese Laundry Owner Blasted For Reinforcing Negative Ethnic Stereotypes


An onion posting nuart is a bit of a stereotype too, isn't it?

 
48. Tuesday, May 1, 2007 9:51 AM
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49. Tuesday, May 1, 2007 11:27 AM
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No capital letter or punctuation? Did I hurt your feelings? Here, have a couple emoticons.

 
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QUOTE:Did I hurt your feelings? Here, have a couple emoticons.


     
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