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1. Friday, February 9, 2007 2:25 PM
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look up at ebay item # 330085892516

 
2. Friday, February 9, 2007 3:22 PM
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Wow!  I'm going to keep a close eye on this auction since it still has 6 more days to go.  Maybe I'll sneak in a last minute bid!  Too bad they didn't have a buy-it-now price.

If I get it will you pick it up for me, Reb?  They say there's no delivery.

 

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3. Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:43 PM
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US $930,100.00...

...with 5 days and 12 hours to go.  162 bids so far.  This is going to go for well over a million!

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4. Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:44 PM
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Dang!!!

 
5. Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:44 AM
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So, what's the problem ? Susan just put in the top bid. No big deal !

 
6. Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:53 AM
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QUOTE:So, what's the problem ? Susan just put in the top bid. No big deal !


US $1,000,600.00 

As of this morning!  Nah, I never do eBay auctions like this.  In fact, it really bugs me when people bid for days on end and drive the price up.  I only bid in the final minute or two.  Still 5 days to go!

It's lovely but I am plum out of room for such a bulky collectible. 

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7. Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:15 AM
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You could find a niche for it somewhere Susan. Insure it  and secure it. It is a piece of history, and if authenticated beyond any doubt, the value could really go up. You would hardly miss the outlay  ( kind of like a heavy afternoon at the flea market-- I know you like to find "treasures".)   Maybe it would be an interesting  present for Mr. E . ?

 

 
8. Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:55 AM
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I'm saving my pennies for when they sell the Grassy Knoll.


 
9. Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:49 PM
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Haha, I think you have miscalculated my flea market/auction expenditure budget, Raymond! Take jewelry for example. Last weekend I found a beautiful necklace with faux citrine stones. I said to my shopping companion, "It's pretty. But it's ten-dollar pretty." The vendor was asking $25 and I wouldn't insult her by saying "How about $10?" I passed on it but later found a $10 green number I liked even more.

With paintings I have a $40 maximum. (Used to be $20 but prices have sky-rocketed!) Still, you'd be surprised the gems you can find if you set your art buying price limit at $40 max. Since the prices are so arbitrary, a lot of times the seller will cut the price in half. Last weekend, I found a 9" x 12" old, old unframed print that cost $10. It's going to cost 5 times that to have it framed but it's still a good deal. Gorgeous snow scene with haystacks and bare-branched trees, beautifully rendered. Slight wash of orange across the horizon indicating the sunset. When it's framed it will look museum quality.

The joy of antiquing and flea marketing is the bargains and the rareness of the find. Granted the window is a rare find and it is within my specific interest range as well. But even if I had $1,000,000+ to spare, I think I'd buy a house instead.

On that subject, several years ago when the most expensive painting sold was Van Gogh's "Irises," (with a selling price of $57,000,000 I believe) someone who knew how much I loved Van Gogh and art in general, asked me -- if you had a choice between owning that painting or every house on your street down to the boulevard (about an equivalent value at the time), which would you prefer. No question -- I'd take the property. When a work of art is so fine and rare, I don't feel it should be in a private domain. It should belong to all the people. (tee hee, what a socialist!) I tend to feel the same way about the Assassination window. It really belongs in the Sixth Floor Museum from whence it came.

Btw, "Irises" was bought by the Getty foundation from the Japanese collector who had originally purchased it at auction. It is now one of the cornerstones of the Getty collection and lives about 7 miles away from our house. So well-endowed is this museum, they do not charge admission.

Susan

 

UPDATE:  US $1,500,100.00 with four days 12 hours to go!


     
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10. Monday, February 12, 2007 12:14 AM
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wondering about the seller, he or a group put that up on ebay, why not sothebys? antique road show? just wondering.  dang! wonder what the new owner will do with that window once the bid is won.

 
11. Monday, February 12, 2007 9:58 AM
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An auction house like Sotheby's takes a 30-something percent commission. The more costly the item, the larger their cut. I've never sold anything on eBay but I'm pretty sure their cut is under 5%. That means most of the millions will go directly to the seller.

Just looked it up. For items over $1001.00 the commission fees go like this...

5.25% of the initial $25.00 ($1.31), plus 3.25% of the initial $25.01 - $1,000.00 ($31.69), plus 1.50% of the remaining closing value balance ($1000.01 - closing value)

Uh, meaning someone has to do the math.

With 4 days, 1 hour remaining: US $1,678,077.00

UPDATE:  Checked on Sotheby's and Christie's.  They have different rates of commission depending on the type of object sold but here is where their percentage ranges as of 2007:

Sotheby's and its only serious rival – the privately-owned Christie's – both bill their vendors 5% of the hammer price. They also charge successful bidders for the pleasure of watching the gavel come down, an innovation begun more than three decades ago. And in the last month both auction houses have hiked their buyer commission rates to 20% of the first $500,000 – up from $200,000 previously – plus 12% of the remaining hammer price.

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12. Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:39 PM
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look at the bid now, WOW!

 
13. Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:40 PM
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$3.1 million as of this post.


 
14. Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:11 AM
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I guess the bidding has reached critical mass now with a mere 23 hours to go. Holding pretty steady. Will there be a last minute sniping with and as of yet unknown bidder??? Maybe not in this price range.

US $3,001,701.00

Susan


     
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15. Friday, February 16, 2007 10:03 AM
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About 40 minutes to go.  Looks like this will be the "SOLD!" price - US $3,001,301.00. 

Notice it dropped off by $400 from yesterday.  Must have been some flaky bidders in there or something.

Susan 


     
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16. Friday, February 16, 2007 11:49 AM
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Sold to a certain...

r.seydel

of the Netherlands (of all things...) for US $3,005,100.00!

R. Seydel has only 6 ratings, all positive.  His/her last two purchases were sets of Pantone colored markers.  Hmmm.

Susan 


     
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17. Friday, February 16, 2007 12:11 PM
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I see there is a mathematician/physicist guy from the Netherlands named R. Seydel with scientific papers on "bifurcation." Could this be the same guy who buys marking pens and assassination perch windows?

There is also an Erwin R. Seydel. Hmmmm, again. Maybe he's a JFK conspiracy theory buff who is planning to debunk the single-bullet theory and will present his findings with a Pantone marking pen series of illustrations proving once and for all the mathematical impossibility.

Or maybe not.

Prof. dr. Erwin Seydel

erwin_seydel_100w.jpg.pngProf.dr. Erwin R. Seydel is professor in 'Applied Communication Studies' at the University of Twente and professor in ‘Organisational Communication’ at the Free University of Amsterdam.

 

He is (guest) professor to some foreign universities and has a advisory function at the Staff college system of the United Nations in New York and Turin (UN Staff College System) in the field of strategic communication. From 1996 up to 2003 dean of the faculty of philosophy and social sciences of the University of Twente. His research aims mainly at communication and chance processes in social systems. Erwin Seydel fulfils numerous governing board tasks and advisory functions in the scientific world, the health care, businesses and the government in the Netherlands and in foreign countries. He gives many (key-note) readings in the field of strategic communication, vision development, change processes and leadership. Seydel has taken part in several committees appointed by the cabinet, such as the commission ` future government communication ' (the zg. Wallage) and recently the commission ` biotechnology and feeding ' (the zg. ' Commission Terlouw '). At this moment is he part of the advisory committee ` Leefstijlcampagnes

 

More information on: http://www.gw.utwente.nl/pcgr/mw/seydel/


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18. Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:10 AM
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Aw, darnit!  Check out the latest on the auction results.

Geez, you can't trust anybody!

Susan 

Feb. 17, 2007, 10:54AM
$3 million bid for Oswald's reputed perch falls through

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DALLAS  — The auction of a window said to be Lee Harvey Oswald's sniper perch in the killing of President John F. Kennedy ended with a bid of about $3 million, but the deal fell through about an hour later.

The perch was up for auction on eBay Friday with a starting price of $100,000, which quickly got up to seven figures. But 32 bids were either retracted by the bidder — normally because the wrong price had been entered, including one for $17 million — or canceled by the seller because the bidder didn't meet the qualifications.

Then, it turned out that the winner "didn't have the cash," said Fred McLane, a business representative for owner Caruth Byrd.

"This guy slipped into the bidding in the last minute. But he didn't have the money," McLane told The Dallas Morning News for its Saturday editions.

Byrd is the son of the man who owned the Texas School Book Depository when Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963. Weeks after the assassination, Col. D. Harold Byrd ordered employees to remove the window. He then kept it in his home for more than two decades before his death in 1986.

His son, Caruth, took it to his home and later lent it to The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, where it was displayed for 12 years.

The winning bidder for the window was from the Netherlands and had only six purchases on eBay. He placed his bid 22 seconds before the auction ended.

"Unfortunately, on certain high-profile items, this can happen," said Hani Durzy, a spokesman for eBay. "It's unfortunate. It's also illegal and considered fraud."

The listed seller, McLane's nephew Christian, initially required bidders to have at least three eBay transactions on their record and no worse than a 97 percent approval rating. He later increased that to 20 transactions and an approval rating no worse than 98 percent.

With six transactions, the winner didn't qualify. But by bidding late, there wasn't time for the seller to cancel the bid.

Byrd said that the next step is to work down the list of qualified bidders to see if any want to purchase the window. That could take a day or two.

Some people question whether the window is authentic, including a Nashville man who bought the building in 1970 and said he took the window with him when he lost the property to foreclosure.


     
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