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1. Monday, February 26, 2007 7:45 PM
nuart White Far Left Meets Islamic Far Right


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I enjoyed this article from the Wall Street Journal the other day and figured somebody else might.  Gavin?  I know how you love the WSJ.  (those capitalist insects that prey upon the people)  It's interesting because Nick Cohen is yet another of the former leftists who have grown disenchanted with their former compatriots.  I know how they feel.

Susan

ACROSS THE POND

An Upside-Down World
The British far left makes common cause with Muslim reactionaries.

BY NICK COHEN
Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:01 a.m.

LONDON--The other day Ken Livingstone, the mayor of my hometown of London, organized a conference on Islam and the West. It was a carefully rigged affair in which handpicked speaker after handpicked speaker stood up and announced that the democracies were to blame for the tidal wave of murder sweeping the world. To provide a spurious air of balance, the organizers invited a few people who dissented from the line of the Muslim Brotherhood and its British allies. Agnès Poirier, a French feminist, was one of them, but she pulled out because although there were no special facilities for Christians, Hindus and Jews, Mr. Livingstone had provided separate prayer rooms for Muslim men and Muslim women.

She wanted to know: Does Ken Livingstone's idea of multiculturalism acknowledge and condone segregation? It clearly does, but what made this vignette of ethnic politics in a European city worth noting is that commentators for the BBC and nearly every newspaper here describe Mr. Livingstone as one of the most left-wing politicians in British public life. Hardly any of them notice the weirdness of an apparent socialist pandering to a reactionary strain of Islam, pushing its arguments and accepting its dictates.

Mr. Livingstone's not alone. After suicide bombers massacred Londoners on July 7, 2005, leftish rather than conservative papers held British foreign policy responsible for the slaughters on the transport network. ("Blair's Bombs," ran the headline in my own leftish New Statesman.) In any university, you are more likely to hear campaigns for the rights of Muslim women derided by postmodernists than by crusty conservative dons. Our Stop the War coalition is an alliance of the white far left and the Islamist far right, and George Galloway, its leader, and the first allegedly "far left" member to be elected to the British Parliament in 50 years, is an admirer of Saddam Hussein and Hezbollah.

I could go on with specific examples, but the crucial point is the pervasive European attitude to the Iraq catastrophe. As al Qaeda, the Baathists and Shiite Islamists slaughter thousands, there is virtually no sense that their successes are our defeats. Iraqi socialists and trade unionists I know are close to despair. They turn for support to Europe, the home of liberalism, feminism and socialism, and find that rich democrats, liberals and feminists won't help them or even acknowledge their existence.

 

 

There were plenty of leftish people in the 20th century who excused communism, but they could at least say that communism was a left-wing idea. Now overwhelmingly and everywhere you find people who scream their heads off about the smallest sexist or racist remark, yet refuse to confront ultra-reactionary movements that explicitly reject every principle they profess to hold.

Why is the world upside down? In part, it is a measure of President Bush's failure that anti-Americanism has swept out of the intelligentsia and become mainstream in Britain. A country that was once the most pro-American in Western Europe now derides Tony Blair for sticking with the Atlantic alliance. But if Iraq has pummeled Mr. Blair's reputation, it has also shone a very harsh light on the British and European left. No one noticed it when the Berlin Wall came down, but the death of socialism gave people who called themselves "left wing" a paradoxical advantage. They no longer had a practical program they needed to defend and could go along with ultra-right movements that would once have been taboo. In moments of crisis, otherwise sane liberals will turn to these movements and be reassured by the professed leftism of the protest organizers that they are not making a nonsense of their beliefs.

If, that is, they have strong beliefs to abandon. In Europe and North America extreme versions of multiculturalism and identity politics have left a poisonous legacy. Far too many liberal-minded people think that is somehow culturally imperialist to criticize reactionary movements and ideas--as long as they aren't European or American reactionary movements. This delusion is everywhere. Until very recently our Labour government was allowing its dealings with Britain's Muslim minority to be controlled by an unelected group, the Muslim Council of Britain, which stood for everything social democrats were against. In their desperate attempts to ingratiate themselves, ministers gave its leader a knighthood--even though he had said that "death was too good" for Salman Rushdie, who happens to be a British citizen as well as a great novelist.

Beyond the contortions and betrayals of liberal and leftish thinking lies a simple emotion that I don't believe Americans take account of: an insidious fear that has produced the ideal conditions for appeasement. Radical Islam does worry Europeans but we are trying to prevent an explosion by going along with Islamist victimhood. We blame ourselves for the Islamist rage, in the hope that our admission of guilt will pacify our enemies. We are scared, but not scared enough to take a stand.

 

 

I hope conservative American readers come to Britain. But if you do, expect to find an upside-down world. People who call themselves liberals or leftists will argue with you, and when they have finished you may experience the strange realization that they have become far more reactionary than you have ever been.

Mr. Cohen, a columnist for the Observer and The New Statesman, is the author of "What's Left?: How Liberals Lost Their Way" (Fourth Estate, 2007).

 


     
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2. Tuesday, March 6, 2007 10:21 PM
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The Far Left Meet the Islamic Far Right : Lie down with dogs and you wake up with... no wait, you don't wake up. You don't wake up at all. Slit throats instead of fleas. The twisted fear that calls for comradship must be  a joke to the Far Right Imams. They must loathe the weak kneed infidel enablers worse than the conservatives.

 
3. Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:01 AM
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Garbage.

Red Ken held a conference about Islam, there were Muslims there, and therefore, he's a reactionary. 

Also, Gorgeous George loves Saddam (give it a rest for God's sake) and he was a reactionary Islamist right?  Oh wait, umm, what was I saying?  I was going to give specific examples of how anti-leftist all these nasty Muslims at the conference were, but then I forgot to. 

Geddit?

 Like any of London or Britain's hoi polloi even gives a rat's arse what either Livingstone or Galloway are 'leftists' (Or know what it means).

  Ken is the duly elected mayor of London because people wanted to punish New Labour for their dirty tricks in the election, and Galloway is the MP for a London borough because he convinced the mostly Bangledeshi population that he was the proper anti-war and anti- new terror legislation candidate.

The real laugh is that this kind of tripe is meant to be seen as an attack on 'the chattering classes' but is in fact as equally facile and banal as what they come out with.

The people in Britian and the U.S. who don't support freedom and rights are in fact the right-wing.


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4. Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:57 AM
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Susan

Like a virus, this mentality is infecting across the seas also.

We have a British muslim woman over here at the moment speaking to various groups.  She has slammed Australians as "Islamophobic", despite most muslims saying how welcome they feel when they come here.  She is partially right - most of us have woken up to the dangers of Islam, having seen what's happened in some muslims countries, and paid attention over the past decades and centuries of Islamic history.

I fear the poltical correctness and general Leftness of many in Europe has come back to bite them.  They were so caught up in impressing their PC mates that they forgot to do their homework on islam and recognise the danger it poses to western societies when practised as it was originally taught and written.  So now their countries are in a downward spiral - and it is only barefaced pride or utter ignorance that sees these ill-informed muslim apologists continue to  argue for more muslim immigration, and greater tolerance of changes to their societies to accept an incredibly slow trend towards islamic law.

 

 
5. Friday, April 13, 2007 6:11 PM
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Political Correctness.  The left abhorrs anything not P C  . Except when they don't follow it. Examples:

Rosie O'Donnell-- does a lame "ching chong  ching chong "chinaman voice on broadcast TV offensive to Asians.

Hillary Clinton ( A real comedian ) jokes about Pakistani_ Americans as --those guys , you know them, they have the gas station/ 7-11 over on route 12. 

Jesse Jackson refers to New York as Hymietown.

A joke alright, P C that is.

 

 

 

 

 
6. Tuesday, May 8, 2007 4:32 PM
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Try as you like, you can't change the fact that Islamic extremism/fundamentalism is closer to, and has the same religious roots as, Christian conservatism/fundamentalism. 


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7. Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:02 PM
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And what would those "religious roots" be?


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8. Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:33 PM
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Careful gavin - you're about to step off a huge credibility cliff...one that could be fatal.

 
9. Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:37 PM
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don't worry, cybaca - he did that a LOOONGGG time ago.

Did you know he called me racist once? Well, he didn't actually use the R-word, but that's what he meant, and when I called him on it, he never answered me back for whatever reason.

Gavin's like the drive-by media. He takes his shots, and moves on until next month (or so)


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10. Friday, May 11, 2007 5:35 AM
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QUOTE:Try as you like, you can't change the fact that Islamic extremism/fundamentalism is closer to, and has the same religious roots as, Christian conservatism/fundamentalism. 

 Don't be so stupid. George W. Bush gets his instructions from God and Osama bin Laden gets his from....er...Allah


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11. Friday, May 11, 2007 9:06 AM
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QUOTE:
QUOTE:Try as you like, you can't change the fact that Islamic extremism/fundamentalism is closer to, and has the same religious roots as, Christian conservatism/fundamentalism.

Don't be so stupid. George W. Bush gets his instructions from God and Osama bin Laden gets his from....er...Allah

Nice sleight of hand, James.

"Instructions?"

I would argue that neither are getting "instructions" from God/Allah and that neither would make the claim.  I've read the collected works of Osama and that is not what I perceive.  Whatever he is, he is not Joan of Arc.  Nor is Bush, as much as we do enjoy these flights of fancy where Bush and Osama are glibly and loosely compared as flipsides of one coin.

 Susan


     
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12. Friday, May 11, 2007 9:49 AM
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lol...I only do it to wind you wacky Americans up ;-)


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13. Friday, May 11, 2007 10:19 AM
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QUOTE:lol...I only do it to wind you wacky Americans up ;-)

I shoulda known you were wankin' my chain with that Belfast humor!

 

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14. Friday, May 11, 2007 10:40 AM
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QUOTE:lol...I only do it to wind you wacky Americans up ;-)

I shoulda known you were wankin' my chain with that Belfast humor!

 

Susan 


 Wankin? we say yankin over here, tomay-to tomato eh?


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