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1. Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:36 AM
nuart No Wonder "Big Brother" is Popular in England


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It's another reflection of reality.  Or, in other words, who needs a Patriot Act when the population is under constant surveillence with one camera for every 14 people?  Who knew they also had listening devices attached? 

Sensible deterrent or societal abuse?  Tee hee.  I'm old enough to remember when talk of national computer databases of every US citizen was all futuristic fantasy but people fretted over it all the same.  And computers were room-sized thingies that only highly trained specialists could access or operate. 

Anyway, do we care?  Is this something that bothers those of you who live with it? 

Susan 

Britain becoming a Big Brother society, says data watchdog

By Sophie Goodchild

Published: 29 April 2007

Britain is in danger of "committing slow social suicide" as such Big Brother techniques as surveillance cameras and recording equipment spread into every aspect of our lives, the nation's information watchdog will warn this week.

A new report from Richard Thomas, the information commissioner, will say that the public needs to be made more aware of the "creeping encroachment" on civil liberties created by email monitoring, CCTV and computer tracking of our buying habits.

It is understood that one of the concerns in Mr Thomas's report is the use of special listening devices which can be placed in lamp posts, street furniture and offices. These are already widely used in the Netherlands to combat crime and anti-social behaviour.

More than 300 of the cameras with built-in microphones have been fitted in benefit offices and city centres. The equipment can pick up aggressive tones on the basis of decibel level, pitch and speed at which words are spoken.

Westminster council has already started piloting the listening devices, but experts say the use of these microphones raises questions about how surveillance can be used to intrude into the private lives of citizens.

He will also call for greater regulation of companies that supply surveillance technology which provides "convenience or safety for the more affluent majority", but not for the vulnerable such as children, immigrants and the elderly.

His warning comes as MPs launch their first inquiry into the impact of surveillance in Britain. The Home Affairs Select Committee will investigate the use of video cameras to monitor high streets and residential areas as well as the holding of personal information on both government and commercial databases.

On Tuesday, Mr Thomas, who last year warned that Britain was "sleepwalking into a surveillance society", will tell the committee at its first hearing that new safeguards must be introduced to protect the public from the increasing intrusion of surveillance into their daily lives.

Civil liberty campaigners have already warned that Britain is becoming a Big Brother society where its citizens are increasingly being watched. There are more than four million CCTV cameras in this country, one for every 14 people, and the national DNA database which was set up by police to combat crime now holds 3.5 million profiles.

 


     
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2. Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:30 AM
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A couple of years ago a person traversed an area (I don't know how big) of London by foot, and everytime he was out of eyeshot of one camera, a different one had him in its sight. Then he asked for a copy of the footage and edited it into a short film.

 
3. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:00 PM
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It bothers me a lot.  A hell of a lot.

If I'm going to apply for a passport now I have to have my iris scanned due to that being a provision of the National ID Card law passed recently. The only bright light is that both of the other parties have promised to scrap that bill (but cynic that I am, I think that's easier to say when you're not in power, and anyway, they would probably keep the provision when it comes to dirty immigrants and just let the natives off the hook).

This is right up there in the list of my top bugbears at the moment.  I'm getting pretty reactionary recently when it comes to legislating in the name of 'safety'.  Since when are people here so risk averse?  Just because privacy, freedom and feeling in control of your own life aren't quantifiable doesn't mean that they're not hugely valuable.

'Britons never ever will be slaves' they sing.

My arse.


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4. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:00 PM
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Think I may have read about that, Booth.  "Area man traverses area.  Goes viral on YouTube."

 


     
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5. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:01 PM
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'Britons never ever will be slaves' they sing.

My arse.

...but there's no England now.

 


     
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6. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:11 PM
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iris scanned


Now we need a global currency and it will be like living in a sci-fi tale.


"That will be 10 credits, please."

 
7. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:14 PM
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QUOTE:
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'Britons never ever will be slaves' they sing.

My arse.

...but there's no England now.

 


 I missed that story.  I suppose they aren't paying much attention to it up here in Scotland.


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8. Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:20 PM
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QUOTE:
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iris scanned


Now we need a global currency and it will be like living in a sci-fi tale.


"That will be 10 credits, please."

With certain Heinleinesque developments that might be alright.

I have been waiting for jetpacks since I was 8.  Why have they put all the R and D into iris-scanning and not jetpacks?  Because 'they' suck, clearly.
 


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9. Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:22 PM
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I have been waiting for jetpacks since I was 8. Why have they put all the R and D into iris-scanning and not jetpacks? Because 'they' suck, clearly.


And the flying car.

 
10. Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:41 PM
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That iris scanning and cameras everywhere are an ipso facto invasion of privacy. I can appreciate your feelings Hero. I don't know the answer, these are strange days indeed. I guess one has to look at the positive side -those cameras may catch a rapist.

Just on a different subject, All these women with cell phones must get some defense from carrying them in a dangerous situation.  I wonder if any study shows cell phones saving women ( and Men ) from crime ? Same for all the cameras?

 
11. Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:06 PM
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It's a balancing act between civil liberties and crime prevention.

I think they've gone too far, cameras on every corner, microphones, and now cameras with speakers so the operaters can direct citizens!

If the defence is that it _may_ prevent a crime, then I guess we could argue for all citizens to wander around with a pitt-bull on one hand, and a loaded gun on the other (with cellphone in pocket of course...for emergencies).

Sometimes the cure is far worse than the disease.

 
12. Monday, April 30, 2007 1:18 AM
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QUOTE:Sometimes the cure is far worse than the disease.

 This is true.  A lot of the time the cure is worse than the disease, I'm beginning to think.


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13. Monday, April 30, 2007 11:00 AM
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I hear what Hero and Cy are saying. I just don't know the answer.

Wouldn't it be nice if we were back in those good ole Cold War years- hiding under desks in school drills in preparation for an all out nuclear world ending confrontation that could happen any day ? I am old enough to remember those comforting drills and fall out shelter signs. Dreams of Russian Bear bombers -bombbay doors open over my home town...

flash   ka booom...wake up.

 

 
14. Tuesday, May 8, 2007 5:16 PM
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Students Accidentally Catch Cyclist Assault On Tape

Tuesday May 8, 2007

A group of students on a field trip in Toronto investigating the pros and cons of public surveillance cameras ended up catching a slice of big city street hostility on their own cameras Tuesday.

The Grade 12 students caught a road rage incident between a driver and a cyclist on tape, and could play a key rule in the meting out of justice after turning their evidence over to police.

The kids' mini-cam was pointed at the scene near Queen and Bay when the driver on four wheels got into a dispute with a cyclist on two. As the students watched in disbelief, they saw the motorist get out of his still idling car, approach the cyclist and punch him boldly in the face. He pushed the stunned bike owner onto the sidewalk where the assault appeared to continue for several more moments.

Apparently the driver was enraged that the cyclist, who lost a tooth in the attack, had stopped at a yellow light and blocked him from going through.

"I'm going to pray for that guy, you know, because why he did it, I don't know. Maybe he's sick. Maybe he needs help," bike rider Andre Sokol said after he was assaulted.

Allison Mann, the media teacher at Ursula Franklin Academy, was with her charges when the incident took place. "We're on a field trip with about 40 students and looking at public and private space in Toronto. It's ironic this happened this morning because each group had a video camera."

"Surveillance is a hot-button issue in the media, so one of the things we're looking at is the usefulness of cameras. So it's interesting that they caught this on tape," she adds.

Mann, who gets rave reviews from her pupils on "Rate My Teacher.com", claims she's proud her students kept rolling and capturing clear images of the incident. A copy of that tape is now in the possession of Toronto Police. It will eventually be used as evidence in court.

"Initially when the cop came over, he didn't look like he would have believed him," said Gabriele, one of the students on the trip. "With video footage, you can't deny it any more. It's right in front of your face."

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15. Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:17 AM
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Follow-up with a twist. It was a cop!

Off-duty Toronto officer charged with assault

Globe and Mail Update

TORONTO — Toronto Police arrived at a downtown Tuesday to find a cyclist had been beaten by a driver so badly he lost a tooth.

That case took a turn Wednesday when a police constable was arrested and charged in connection with the beating.

A group of students were in the Queen Street West area near Bay Street on Tuesday filming a video for a class project when they noticed a clearly enraged man getting out of his car to confront a cyclist stopped at a traffic light ahead of him.

The verbal confrontation between the two men escalates until the driver kicks the bicycle. The cyclist then picks up the bicycle, but just as he begins to lift it, the driver unleashes a barrage of punches on the victim.

After the onslaught, the two exchange more words — there is no audio in the students' film — before the driver gets back in his car and drives away. Even though he was long gone by the time police arrived at the scene, plenty of people had gotten the driver's license plate number.

Constable Darius Tierman, 44, turned himself in Wednesday.

Toronto Police issued a press release noting that the constable, who has been with the force for 21 years, hasn't been on duty for the past two years. However police won't disclose why.

Police allege Constable Tierman became furious when a cyclist stopped instead of running an amber light. He is charged with assault causing bodily harm and was scheduled to appear in a Toronto court Wednesday.

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16. Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:27 AM
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The Bad Detective.

But you know, it looked like the bicyclist might have been getting ready to use his two-wheeler as a weapon against the constable.  He was raising that bike over his head.  I'm going with a self-defense motivation.  And how do we know when Andre REALLY lost that tooth?  

 

Susan 

PS  I'm honing in on a certain somebody's location.


     
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17. Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:57 AM
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But you know, it looked like the bicyclist might have been getting ready to use his two-wheeler as a weapon against the constable. He was raising that bike over his head.

It's impossible to know for sure, he could just as easily have been trying to show as obviously as possible that he was moving the bike out of the way.
Like someone over-enunciating their words when speaking with someone who isn't as fluent in whatever language they may be speaking.

The thought of someone trying to fight with a bike is pretty funny though. Have at you!
If anything I think it would be: "You kick my bike? I'll scrape your car!"

 
18. Sunday, May 13, 2007 10:41 AM
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Pizza the Future?


'I look for an opening, do you understand?'
 

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