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| 76. Monday, January 5, 2009 1:50 PM |
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i saw this just now. Sea Ice Ends Year at Same level from 1979 Why? according tot he article, "Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center." Also something of interest, the spots on the sun are still almost non-existant throughout this year.
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| 77. Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:48 PM |
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Forget the cap and trade Al. The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years. .........http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0
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| 78. Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:03 PM |
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http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyisitcold.blogspot.com/
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| 79. Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:53 PM |
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But here in my little corner of the world, it is ridiculously warm for January. Spent the morning cleaning FALL leaves out of the pool. The yard and roof is covered in fall leaves since this is our FALL. WINTER may not happen this year since SPRING should pop in around February. The week's forecast:
MON
Windy
84 53 TUE
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78 49
WED
Sunny
79 49 THU Sunny
78 47
FRI
Sunny
80 47
SAT Sunny
78 46 Susan
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| 80. Monday, January 12, 2009 9:16 PM |
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A beautiful 78 degree day here. Now that is my kind of mid January. I took an extra drive to inject more carbon into the air .  Doing my part to help out. 
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| 81. Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:03 PM |
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I have done away with this 'raymondo" character. I accept no responsibility for his or her childish posts. Be gone imposter !
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| 82. Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:53 PM |
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Man, what a sad page... 300 cartoons with 5 jokes to share between them. The one with two snowmen was pretty good, though. 
 
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| 83. Monday, March 16, 2009 7:46 AM |
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New study indicates that the climate change from the last 100 years is NATURAL
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| 84. Monday, March 23, 2009 2:56 PM |
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My unscientific take is that the climate change is overwhelmingly natural, as in not man made. To me the slight effect of human based CO2 emissions is miniscule and dwarfed by natural occurrences like sun spots, volcano eruptions, animal flatulence ;), orbit variations. I oppose the cap and trade tax not just because it bridles business, but China, India and the major and growing sources won't take part anyway.
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| 85. Monday, March 23, 2009 3:51 PM |
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i don't pretend to know for absolute certain either way, but i'd generally prefer to err on the side of caution on this one. i mean if we act as if global warming is man-made and it turns out later that it's not, whoops! silly mistake. our bad. if it is though, we're going to feel like real assholes for not doing something. so we might as well change how we do things until the evidence is conclusive either way.
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| 86. Monday, March 23, 2009 6:50 PM |
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Well, if that's your conclusion, then it is important to get that message to China, India et al. Also, China's particulate matter makes it accross the Pacific to our own Seattle to Cali area. I am for filtering those smokestacks for particulate matter as has been successfully done here in the U S since the 70s. Like you I do prefer cleaner air with particulate reduction. ( and I am giving up my daily small cigar that although not inhaled can not be good.) I have control on that sheet and will act on it.
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| 87. Monday, March 23, 2009 8:34 PM |
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| QUOTE:i don't pretend to know for absolute certain either way, but i'd generally prefer to err on the side of caution on this one. |
I don't think "erring on the side of caution' in practice would be quite that benign, Nefud, though I've heard it put this way before. If you mean to be careful about how much waste product we put into landfills or making certain we use those crappy ugly blue-light-casting squiggly lightbulbs and riding a bicycle, well, yes, none of that can hurt anyone. But if you're talking the do-somethingism of completely restructuring the US system of commerce -- i.e. oil, gasoline, planes, boats, and automobiles -- and doing things like forcing Americans (and their corporations) to pay exorbitant additional fees for using these products, then there is a ripple effect sure to come.
i mean if we act as if global warming is man-made and it turns out later that it's not, whoops! silly mistake. our bad. if it is though, we're going to feel like real assholes for not doing something. so we might as well change how we do things until the evidence is conclusive either way.
I think that one of the major differences between conservatives and liberals is the latter's need to imagine new realities -- all in good faith for the good of mankind -- but tend to be groggy about all long range repercussions. Hahaha, myself I'm always happier when Congress is doing nothing.
Case in point re/dosomethingism - African aid. This is a different subject but one I've been reading about a little lately. (New book "Dead Aid" by Zambian writer Dambisa Moyo ) Nice, good-hearted Western liberals (mostly) whom, led by nice, good-hearted Western celebrities, would raise money from concerts and selling rubber bracelets but whose efforts at improving the continent's prospects end up backfiring. I'm harken back to Ye Olde Concert for Bangladesh that the dearly departed George Harrison organized for a different part of the world... I'm not opposed to step-by-step efforts toward conservation. Just not a wholesale upsetting of our apple cart while 1/3 of the rest of world doesn't even agree to play ball. Furthermore, I doubt that those who have committed themselves as vociferously as Gore or Leo di are going to find any evidence that leads them in the opposite direction. Anyway, that's what I think. Today anyway, but it was FREEZING in SoCal all day. Susan
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| 88. Monday, March 23, 2009 11:23 PM |
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OK here is the ultimate ' dosomethingism' for the climate change crisis ! Simply have half the western population dead in a few years ! No token approaches ! And it beats cap and trade hands down. Really and substantially reduce your carbon hoofprints folks and kill yourselves. Isn't that the real solution? If the science is wrong? Ooops we made a mistake. March 22, 2009
UK population must fall to 30m, says PorrittJonathan Leake and Brendan Montague JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society. Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron. The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if the country wants to feed itself sustainably. Porritt said: “Population growth, plus economic growth, is putting the world under terrible pressure. However, Porritt is winning scientific backing. Professor Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum, will use the OPT conference, to be held at the Royal Statistical Society, to warn that population growth could help derail attempts to cut greenhouse gas emissions. Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. “We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said. Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat. Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries. This is part of the thinking behind the OPT’s call for Britain to cut population to 30m — roughly what it was in late Victorian times. Britain’s population is expected to grow from 61m now to 71m by 2031. Some politicians support a reduction. [ yeah a 50% cut in population in a few years- 30 million dedicated volunteers to off themselves] Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “You can’t have sustainability with an increase in population.” The Tory leader, David Cameron, has also suggested Britain needs a “coherent strategy” on population growth. Despite these comments, however, government and Conservative spokesmen this weekend both distanced themselves from any population policy. ” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece
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| 89. Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:00 AM |
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"I am financial advisor to the president.
To save the country's economy, we must eliminate 4 million citizens in the next 5 years..." "Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas whorehouses, etc,..."
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| 90. Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:05 AM |
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Funny stuff! All I've been hearing about these days is the opposite -- the European falling population and the problems to come from that. There are currently not enough babies being born to replace the dying codgers. Can't remember all the countries that I heard about that were affected but I know Russia was one of them. Oh well, at least the few remaining Russians will be nice and toasty warm in Siberia. Susan
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| 91. Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:20 AM |
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This from the BBC. (so it must be true) Meanwhile there are record low temps in Denver today for anyone considering a visit to that icy realm. ; ) Come to think of it, I closed the windows and doors last night here in balmy SoCal due to brrrr chill night temps.
The final gist of this article argues that sceptics [sic] and middles and climate changers disagree about the hows and the whys and the whens. Enlightening!
Susan
What happened to global warming? By Paul Hudson
Climate correspondent, BBC News
This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998. But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures. And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise. So what on Earth is going on? Climate change sceptics, who passionately and consistently argue that man's influence on our climate is overstated, say they saw it coming. They argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is. But what is the evidence for this? During the last few decades of the 20th Century, our planet did warm quickly. Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth's warmth comes from the Sun. But research conducted two years ago, and published by the Royal Society, seemed to rule out solar influences. The scientists' main approach was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature. And the results were clear. "Warming in the last 20 to 40 years can't have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). But one solar scientist Piers Corbyn from Weatheraction, a company specialising in long range weather forecasting, disagrees. He claims that solar charged particles impact us far more than is currently accepted, so much so he says that they are almost entirely responsible for what happens to global temperatures. He is so excited by what he has discovered that he plans to tell the international scientific community at a conference in London at the end of the month. If proved correct, this could revolutionise the whole subject. Ocean cycles What is really interesting at the moment is what is happening to our oceans. They are the Earth's great heat stores. “ In the last few years [the Pacific Ocean] has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down ”
According to research conducted by Professor Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University last November, the oceans and global temperatures are correlated. The oceans, he says, have a cycle in which they warm and cool cyclically. The most important one is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO). For much of the 1980s and 1990s, it was in a positive cycle, that means warmer than average. And observations have revealed that global temperatures were warm too. But in the last few years it has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down. These cycles in the past have lasted for nearly 30 years. So could global temperatures follow? The global cooling from 1945 to 1977 coincided with one of these cold Pacific cycles. Professor Easterbrook says: "The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling." So what does it all mean? Climate change sceptics argue that this is evidence that they have been right all along. They say there are so many other natural causes for warming and cooling, that even if man is warming the planet, it is a small part compared with nature. But those scientists who are equally passionate about man's influence on global warming argue that their science is solid. The UK Met Office's Hadley Centre, responsible for future climate predictions, says it incorporates solar variation and ocean cycles into its climate models, and that they are nothing new. In fact, the centre says they are just two of the whole host of known factors that influence global temperatures - all of which are accounted for by its models. In addition, say Met Office scientists, temperatures have never increased in a straight line, and there will always be periods of slower warming, or even temporary cooling. What is crucial, they say, is the long-term trend in global temperatures. And that, according to the Met office data, is clearly up. To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years. Professor Latif is based at the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University in Germany and is one of the world's top climate modellers. But he makes it clear that he has not become a sceptic; he believes that this cooling will be temporary, before the overwhelming force of man-made global warming reasserts itself. So what can we expect in the next few years? Both sides have very different forecasts. The Met Office says that warming is set to resume quickly and strongly. It predicts that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998). Sceptics disagree. They insist it is unlikely that temperatures will reach the dizzy heights of 1998 until 2030 at the earliest. It is possible, they say, that because of ocean and solar cycles a period of global cooling is more likely. One thing is for sure. It seems the debate about what is causing global warming is far from over. Indeed some would say it is hotting up.
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| 92. Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:58 AM |
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Susan, you beat me to it! I saw this yesterday, Kelly said I should post it, and then I forgot....glad someone else saw it. Very interesting.
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| 93. Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:05 PM |
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If Herofix were still around, I'll bet he had read it too! Susan
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| 94. Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:04 PM |
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Even as i read the first lines, i knew there had to be some "clever wordplay" on global warming at the end!
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| 95. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:24 AM |
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in related news: Quietest Hurricane Season in Years! and the chill map of the US Damn that global warming - it's causing us to pull jackets out earlier than we wanted (except for me - i like it cold)
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| 96. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:58 AM |
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Slow news week, eh?
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| 97. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:48 PM |
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yeah, just a bit.... :)
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| 98. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:57 PM |
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That's good though. I'd rather have it be a slow news week where this is the only subject we can really keep beating to death rather than have something incredibly tragic or shocking or frightening happen. :)
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| 99. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:04 PM |
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Yeah, just littler things for a change. So, i am going to gradually stock up on incandescent light bulbs. I heard they are being phased out in a couple years here in Cali ? I inherited a squiggly bulb that has burnt out, and i understand that besides casting an ugly light they contain mercury and i now have to be conscientious about disposing of it. There are a bunch of cute little kids here at my apartment/office. So, i guess I'll double ziplock it and place it.... where?? no need for a ' i know where ya can stick it ' type answer :)
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| 100. Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:33 AM |
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The worst thing Bush did in his presidency = signing off on the incandescent light bulb demise. I'll buy from the black market if need be once my stash is depleted. Don't even get me started on squiggly gray-white light bulb-o'-the-future. Susan
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