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1. Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:22 AM
jordan France Threatens Terrorists with Nuclear Attack?

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What do you all make of this story from Reuters?

France defends right to nuclear reply to terrorism

By Elizabeth Pineau

France said on Thursday it would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state that carried out a terrorist attack against it, reaffirming the need for its nuclear deterrent.

Deflecting criticism of France's costly nuclear arms program, President Jacques Chirac said security came at a price and France must be able to hit back hard at a hostile state's centers of power and its "capacity to act."

He said there was no change in France's overall policy, which rules out the use of nuclear weapons in a military conflict. But his speech pointed to a change of emphasis to underline the growing threat France perceives from terrorism.

"The leaders of states who would use terrorist means against us, as well as those who would consider using in one way or another weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part," Chirac said during a visit to a nuclear submarine base in northwestern France.

"This response could be a conventional one. It could also be of a different kind."

Chirac, who is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, said all of France's nuclear forces had been configured with the new strategy in mind and the number of nuclear warheads on French nuclear submarines had been reduced to allow targeted strikes.

It was the first time he had so clearly linked the threat of a nuclear response to a terrorist attack.

Chirac, 73, did not say whether France would be prepared to use pre-emptive strikes against a country it saw as a threat.

SECURITY TIGHT

France has had nuclear weapons since the 1960s and experts believe it has some 300 nuclear warheads.

"Against a regional power, our choice would not be between inaction or annihilation," Chirac said in his first major speech on France's nuclear arms strategy since 2001.

"The flexibility and reactivity of our strategic forces would enable us to exercise our response directly against its centers of power and its capacity to act."

France has tightened security since Islamist suicide bombers killed more than 50 people in attacks on London transport last July, and following the Madrid bomb blasts which killed more than 190 people in March 2004.

Despite its strong opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq, France remains a target for Islamist militants because of its intelligence links with the United States and Britain.

Last July, national police service chief Michel Gaudin said a radical Algerian Islamist group, the GSPC, had been in contact with al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, about launching attacks in France.

Since the end of the Cold War, questions have been raised about the usefulness of the nuclear program, which makes up some 10 percent of the overall defense budget.

Chirac's government is under pressure to cut spending as it struggles to bring its public deficit below the European Union's deficit limit of 3 percent of gross domestic product.

"Our country's security and its independence have their price," Chirac said.

 


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2. Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:48 AM
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I'm surprised the French have any WMDs left, they've been so busy selling them to everyone else.  

I just hope the French stop testing their weapons in the South Pacific. If they need an alternative test site I can recommend Disneyland Paris.


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3. Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:23 AM
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NUKE THE BASTARDS!!! HEY, DON'T FORGET IRAN!!!!

 
4. Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:48 AM
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I'm really surprised by the lack of serious responses here. Because if it was Bush who said he'd be willing to use nuclear weapons on terrorists, I think we'd be on page 2 by now....


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5. Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:14 AM
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QUOTE:I'm really surprised by the lack of serious responses here. Because if it was Bush who said he'd be willing to use nuclear weapons on terrorists, I think we'd be on page 2 by now....

 You aren't honestly surprised are you?  I think this is very predictable.


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6. Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:43 PM
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Actually I am surprised that there's been fewer remarks regarding France's statement.

Seriously, is Chirac being over the top suggesting that nuclear attack would be in order? 


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7. Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:13 PM
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Personally I think anyone that suggests a nuclear attack is over the top regardless of the situation. 


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8. Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:55 PM
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Then why not any outrage like Bush would get if he would say such a thing?


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9. Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:48 PM
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Well, that's obvious isn't it?  Chirac isn't Bush, apples and oranges.


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10. Monday, January 23, 2006 7:26 PM
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QUOTE:Then why not any outrage like Bush would get if he would say such a thing?

 

 

Well firstly no-one takes Chirac seriously anyway do they? (apart from the French perhaps)

I think Chirac just wants to remind everyone that France have big toys too.

If it came to it... I believe the French public are so anti-war that they would soon remind Chirac who was the 'real' commander-in-chief of France.


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11. Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:33 AM
jordan RE: France Threatens Terrorists with Nuclear Attack?

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It's all about rhetoric, Danwhy - dangerous rhetoric. It's all about black and white I thought, and Chirac's comments seem pretty black and white to me. So I'm assuming then, you don't take Chirac seriously?

x-ray - oh, I don't take Chriac all that serious in anything. I was actually surprised they had as many nuclear weapons that they had. Figured the French people would've put an end to that years ago.

But I find his comments interesting in any form (serious or not) esp after the recent French riots and other problems they have been having with temples being blown up and the overall strife between Muslims and Jews (and pretty much anyone else). So with all that in mind, I dunno. We all know that nation's govts know a lot more than we do when it comes to potential threats, and maybe, just maybe, this is seriouis word of warning that isn't clear to us.


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12. Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:25 AM
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I agree it's something to keep an eye on.


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13. Friday, January 27, 2006 8:17 AM
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With regards to my last paragraph in my previous post that I find it interesting that Chirac is saying what he said after all the riots and other problems. Looks like Allan Topol and I might be on the same wavelength - from today's Washington Times.


Chirac, the bomb and terrorism
By Allan Topol
Published January 26, 2006

In the past several years, we have often seen bizarre positions emanating from Paris on matters of foreign policy. Even with all of that, it was surprising to hear French President Jacques Chirac's statement last week that France was prepared to launch a nuclear strike against any country that sponsors a terrorist attack against French interests.

This wasn't a casual offhand comment by Mr. Chirac. Rather, it was made during a visit to a nuclear submarine base in Brittany. The text of his speech was posted on the presidential Web site. In it he stated, "All of our nuclear forces have been configured in this spirit." Although Mr. Chirac did not name any specific countries, which might be targets of a French nuclear attack, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the likely targets. These include Iran, as well as Arab countries in the Middle East.

What is so surprising is that Mr. Chirac's government has in the past favored an approach of conciliation or even appeasement toward Iran and the Arab nations. He was, after all, the vociferous foe of the U.S.-led war in Iraq and a hard line against Iran. That approach benefited French companies that were able to obtain lucrative contracts in competition with corporations based in the land of the great Satan. So, what happened? There are two contributing factors. The first is the civil unrest in France several months ago, which involved nightly riots and a myriad of car burnings in many areas of the country. This violence had the same kind of impact upon Mr. Chirac and the French government that September 11 had upon the United States.

In his speech, Mr. Chirac bluntly declared, "In numerous countries, radical ideas are spreading, advocating a confrontation of civilizations." Mr. Chirac now understands the problem. The jihadists are attempting to capture town by town, areas within Western Europe. As one French government official put it, "This is more than a clash of civilizations. It is a cancer within our country that if unchecked will destroy all of France."

With his statements, Mr. Chirac is warning Iran and the Arab countries to desist in supporting and encouraging residents of France who launched last year's attacks and are undoubtedly planning to do far worse. His approach is to cut off terror at the source. This resembles the policy being pursued by the U.S. government, although it is hard to imagine how great the public outcry would be if President Bush threatened to use nuclear weapons.

The second contributing factor is the failure of the Europeans -- namely France, Germany and England -- to reach an agreement with Tehran controlling the development of Iranian nuclear weapons. About a year ago, the Bush administration, having been subjected to constant criticism about the destruction of Saddam Hussein's despotic and menacing Iraqi regime, wisely said to the Europeans, "You go deal with Iran." It meant making the Europeans part of the process.

After a year, the results are clear. Tehran did nothing but mislead and stonewall the Europeans who now have nothing except a record of deceit to show for several months of negotiations which were in good faith from their side. Moreover, the official Iranian government statements emerging from the fanatical elected president demonstrate that if anything Tehran's position is hardening on the development of nuclear weapons.

There is no point gloating over the Europeans' failure to deal with Tehran. The new radicalism of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has now emerged front and center as one of the toughest foreign policy issues for the Bush administration. At this point, we don't have a policy for dealing with Tehran and we haven't had one for several years.

In Washington, the time has come to act. We can forget about the United Nations. Russia and China will veto any U.N. resolution calling for action. We have to sit down with our European allies. Mr. Chirac may suddenly be more agreeable to a hardline approach. Newly elected Chancellor Angela Merkel in Germany seems more sympathetic to the U.S. position, and Prime Minster Tony Blair should be amenable.

We should develop a consensus for an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities even if it means a reduction in Iranian oil with a significant impact on Western economies. We have to act before the lunatics in Tehran have nuclear weapons.
   
Allan Topol is an international lawyer and the author of several novels, including the bestseller "Enemy of My Enemy." 


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14. Friday, January 27, 2006 10:10 PM
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QUOTE:I'm really surprised by the lack of serious responses here. Because if it was Bush who said he'd be willing to use nuclear weapons on terrorists, I think we'd be on page 2 by now....

Is a promise to use nuclear against terrorists to be taken seriously when it comes from the USA?

I thought there was a promise to response with nuclear if there ever would be an attack against Pentagon. But when that time really came I never heard anyting about a nuclear counter-attack.

Perhaps that's the proof no one ever knew who did the attacks against Pentagon and World Trade Center.

 
15. Saturday, January 28, 2006 7:02 AM
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Never once did the US (at any time as far as I know except maybe during the Cold War) threaten to use nuclear weapons on any country since WWII. And i'm 99% sure no one after 9/11 suggested that they would use nuclear weapons.

You need proof who attacked the WTC and Pentagon? 


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