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1. Sunday, May 6, 2007 1:00 PM
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And the conservative beats out the socialist candidate.  I must say, I'm a little surprised.  There must be more than meets the eye to this win.

Here's one article:

The Jerusalem Post Internet Edition

Sarkozy wins presidential elections



Energized French voters elected reform-minded Nicolas Sarkozy as their new president on Sunday by a comfortable winning margin, preliminary results showed.

With more than half of the vote counted, the conservative Sarkozy was scoring just over 53 percent to a little more than 46 percent for Socialist Segolene Royal, according to the Interior Ministry. Polling agencies also had Sarkozy winning 53 percent of the vote compared to 47 for Royal, amid massive turnout of 85 percent.

"The people of France have chosen change," Sarkozy said in a victory speech. The charismatic but divisive figure pledged to be "president of all the French."

Royal immediately conceded defeat. "I gave it all my efforts, and will continue," she told supporters. "Something has risen up that will not stop."

Sarkozy inherits from Jacques Chirac a nation down on itself, its wages stagnant and economy lagging behind its peers, its voice in the world fading, and frustration simmering in impoverished, immigrant-heavy suburbs.

Police quietly braced for election night violence. Settling those tensions, which fueled the 2005 riots in such neighborhoods, will be one of Sarkozy's greatest challenges as president.

Voting day showed a renewed French passion for politics, with voter rolls swelled by record numbers. Turnout was boosted by the two candidates' dynamism and the high stakes for a nation losing global clout to nations like China and India and even neighbors Britain and Germany.

Royal failed to persuade the French to put a woman in charge for the first time, and opted for more vigorous reform over her pledges of softer change that would preserve the welfare protections that many French hold dear.

For all his determination - the presidency has been a near-lifelong quest for Sarkozy - and talk of change, he is certain to face resistance to his plans to make the French work more and make it easier for companies to hire and fire.

All of Europe will be watching to see if succeeds. He comes from a conservative camp that has held the presidency for 12 years but failed in reform of the euro zone's second-biggest economy.

The 74-year-old Chirac's handover of power, which much take place before May 17, also marks a handover to a new generation, one that has no memory of World War II. Sarkozy waged a high-octane Internet campaign the likes of which France had never seen.

Royal, too, offered voters something different - an unmarried mother of four with unconventional ideas of how to be a Socialist. Her defeat could throw her party into disarray, with splits between those who say it must remain firm to its leftist traditions and others who want a shift to the political center like socialist parties elsewhere in Europe.

 


     
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2. Sunday, May 6, 2007 1:42 PM
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Good thing for France in the long run, methinks. We'll see.


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3. Sunday, May 6, 2007 10:55 PM
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Sounds like the French made a good choice.  They chose a leader who:

- will focus on the economic fundamentals.

- will reduce the unbearable level of handouts.

- will reduce immigration to stop diluting the French culture and identity.

- won't tolerate the bully-boy tactics of some groups such as unions.

 
4. Monday, May 7, 2007 9:39 AM
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Seems to me if you thought that Reagan was good for the United States, and Thatcher was good for the United Kingdom, you'll think this guy is the right choice.

I think he's the Thatcher/Reagan person for France but about 20 years later than it happened in the US/UK.  Maybe I'm oversimplifying??

Slightly OT, BBC Parliament just ran French state TV without any translation during the election results.  I didn't have any idea what they were talking about, but it was fascinating nonetheless - It gave me an idea for a new TV channel - just running the news from different countries around the world, changing over on the hour - it would be cooler than it sounds.

P.S. I don't think Sarkozy is the right choice, but I'm sure you knew I'd say that.


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5. Monday, May 7, 2007 10:24 AM
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QUOTE:

Seems to me if you thought that Reagan was good for the United States, and Thatcher was good for the United Kingdom, you'll think this guy is the right choice.

I think he's the Thatcher/Reagan person for France but about 20 years later than it happened in the US/UK. Maybe I'm oversimplifying??

Slightly OT, BBC Parliament just ran French state TV without any translation during the election results. I didn't have any idea what they were talking about, but it was fascinating nonetheless - It gave me an idea for a new TV channel - just running the news from different countries around the world, changing over on the hour - it would be cooler than it sounds.

P.S. I don't think Sarkozy is the right choice, but I'm sure you knew I'd say that.

I don't know too much about Sarkozy but that I leaned in his direction when it came to the car burning rioters. We'll see. Calling him a "man of the right" though. Not sure he would qualify from US standards. I thought I read that he wanted state funding for mosques in France. Cannot imagine too many candidates from either side making that suggestion in the US. In fact, myself, I was always opposed to that Bush program of "Faith-Based" initiatives. Not too sure I even like the tax-deductible status of religious foundations.

When you think about Ronald Reagan's opponents -- you had Jimmy Carter for the first term and Walter Mondale for the second term. Given the choices and given the resulting two terms of Reagan, i believe he was the preferable candidate even though I voted Dem in both of those elections.

No idea about Thatcher's election and what it all meant for England.

I, for one (and maybe it would be just you and me, Andrew), would watch that channel! I often watch RIA in Italian and have watched great swathes of Korean and Iranian tv in their native language.

As for Sarkozy again, his win is largely a result of running the WRONG candidate against him. Seems many French people voted for him with reservations but they did NOT want Segilene.

400 cars burnt yesterday though. I'd be interested in a human interest story profiling some of those thousands who've lost cars. Following up with the insurance companies. Which thugs were arrested for their mayhem and their resulting sentencing. I think that would be good programming on the French channel.

Sarkozy's election victory marred by riots

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Street violence took some of the shine off victory in the French elections for new president Nicolas Sarkozy.

Far-left activists had running battles with police across France as 270 people were taken in for questioning and 367 parked vehicles were torched

 

 

Riot police fired tear gas into a crowd gathered at the Place de la Bastille in Paris as news of Sarkozy's victory came through.

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Trouble on the streets of France following Nicolas Sarkozy's election win

 

Small bands of youths hurled stones and other objects at police and bared their backsides at riot officers.

Other fights with the police broke out in Toulouse, Lyon, Rennes and Nantes.

Two police unions said firebombs targeted schools and recreation centres in several towns in the Essonne region just south of Paris.

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More than 350 cars were set on fire across France after Sarkozy's victory was confirmed

 

BFM TV described rioters as "militant anarchists" apparently upset by the victory of a man of the right.

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There had been fears that the impoverished suburban housing projects, home to Arab and African immigrants and their French-born children, would erupt again at the victory of a man who labeled those responsible for rioting in 2005 as "scum."

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Flaming debris from the Paris riots

 

That abrasive style raised doubts over whether Sarkozy, himself the son of a Hungarian refugee, could unite a politically polarized, increasingly diverse nation.

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Cars were overturned, many were set ablaze

 

He is widely unpopular among youths from the projects who showed their preference for Sarkozy's Socialist rival, Segolene Royal, in the first-round vote earlier in the month.

 


     
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6. Monday, May 7, 2007 10:59 AM
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400 cars burned. The average any old night is 80.

 
7. Monday, May 7, 2007 11:04 AM
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QUOTE:400 cars burned. The average any old night is 80.

That may have been an undercount, Raymond.

This from Reuters:

PARIS (Reuters) - Hundreds of people were arrested in France overnight in clashes between police and protesters angry over conservative Nicolas Sarkozy’s victory in Sunday’s presidential election, police said.

Official figures released on Monday said demonstrators set fire to 730 cars and injured 78 policemen across France, with 592 people arrested in the violent protests against the tough-talking former interior minister.

The tally was revised sharply upwards after an initial report appeared to downplay the clashes and was at odds with local police figures and eyewitness reports, which suggested widespread troubles in numerous French cities.

 


     
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8. Monday, May 7, 2007 11:40 AM
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That is a big revision ! So the violence the opponent warned voters about did occur , I guess.

 
9. Monday, May 7, 2007 7:46 PM
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We get news from around the world here on our ethnic free-to-air channel SBS.  Everything from BBC to China news, Italian, German, Indonesian, you name it...even French.

We also have a NewsRadio channel (my favourite) which broadcasts news from many different countries also - Netherlands, UK, Germany etc...and it makes for interesting listening when you hear the perspectives of many different countries on the same incident.

 

 

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