The Red Room is described by the MFAP as "the waiting room" early in the series.  During the final episode, Cooper confronts the MFAP in the waiting room.  Only when the MFAP says "Fire walk with me" does the realm erupt into flames, and then descend into flickering blackness.

QUESTIONS:

 1. Is Cooper now entered the Black Lodge, or is this still the Red Room (Waiting Room)

 2. If this isn't the Black Lodge, could the conveniece store scene in FWWM where the meeting was being held be the Black Lodge.

 
 3. Why is Ms Tresmond and her Grandson hanging out with the bad guys.

 
 4. Do we ever see the White Lodge? When Major Briggs is abducted, returns, and is recalling the events he enters a dream where he is in the woods and looks like he is sitting in a stone throne.  Its obvious that he isn't in the normal part of the woods.  What is this all about?  Since he was abducted by the White Lodge, could this be the White Lodge? 
 

I always thought that the way the lodges looked was made up in your mind.

Like how heaven is supposed to be in your vision.

So the major envisioned what he say, but others may not see the same thing as him.

Sorry if his doesnt make much sense.  Im pretty hungover and got done puking only a few hours back. 

 

i agree about the lodges looking different depending on you.  i like to think that the red room looks the way it does because that was laura's dream, and that the room is a manifestation of her feelings of loss, helplessnes, etc.

I think that the white lodge looks like the woods in the scene mentioned above because Briggs is so crazy about them.

This subject has troubling me a lot, too, these past days but your comments about Major Briggs may have given me the key / opened my eyes (David Lynch has no idea himself, so it's up to each and everyone's personal interpretation).

First of all, the reference is to a "lodge" of which we see many in Twin Peaks. A "lodge" in its literal interpretation doesn't look like a room with red drapes.

In the prequel movie we see the (malevolent or indifferent) spirits in an actual lodge, which yet is morphing into the Red Room at the end of every scene (including the one where Laura enters the "picture frame" and arrives in the "lodge").

Except for the "waiting room" (somewhat neutral ground?) there is no other place in the Black Lodge where Coop encounters the benevolent spirits, that is the Giant and the elderly waiter.

Windom Earle explains to Leo how the spirits of the Black Lodge have somehow overpowered the spirits of the White Lodge - I'd say what we see in the prequel movie is the malevolent / indifferent spirits "moving in". Mike shouts "Garmonbozia" and makes a comment about the table as he seems to take notice / examine it for the first time.

Or in simpler language: The White Lodge was transformed into the "waiting room" of the Black Lodge (maybe it couldn't be absorbed into the Black Lodge with some positive energy remaining - thus the benevolent spirits can still manifest themselves there. Hopefully one day the opposite will happen where the Black Lodge will undergo transformation into the "waiting room" of the White Lodge with the universal constant applied: Expansion and Retraction, Yin and Yang).

So where is the White Lodge or - more precise - where do the benevolent spirits dwell after they have been "evicted"?

"The Owls are not what they seem", "There are owls (spirits) in the roadhouse" (log lady). I'm not saying they now dwell in the roadhouse but owls live in the forest and my two cents are that's where the current White Lodge is located (thus explaining Major Briggs sitting in a stone chair surrounded by flora).

Other opinions / interpretations are most welcome.

Anyone else notice that the room that Laura enters through the picture frame in FWWM looks a whole lot like One Eyed Jacks?

Well, does Laura actually enter the room? Notice the difference in hairstyle, to me it seams rather that the Laura in the Lodge and the Laura in her bedroom are looking at each other. I got the impression it's more like a window in the Lodge (notice the red drapes in background).

While the place in the picture frame looks rather run-down, the wallpaper has a resemblance to One-Eyed Jack's. Well, One-Eyed Jack's isn't exactly heaven (except maybe for males, sorry, couldn't resist the pun...) so maybe David Lynch used the similarity in style as a symbol for negative energy.

Just a little off-topic since we talk about that scene: I find it each time deliciously confusing that Laura has no reaction whatsoever to Annie appearing in her bed, her face dripping with blood. However, the moment Annie has disappeared, Laura jumps...

I tend to see the convenience store scene as taking place in the "real" world - partly because of Mike's first reference to the location - but mainly because of the extra dialogue from the "formica table" scene in the FWWM, which implies that they have recently "arrived" on the physical plane:

First woodsman:  We have descended from pure air.
MFAP:  Going up and down.  Intercourse between the two worlds.
BOB:  Light of new discoveries.
Mrs. Tremond:  Why not be composed of materials and combinations of atoms?
Grandson:  This is no accident.

I didnt have that bit on my version

It's not in the actual movie, is it?

I've got a feeling it was only in the script and not the released film, but I wouldn't swear to it.

'Twas in the script, and mercifully only there.

'Twas in the script, and mercifully only there.

 Hahahaha - you said it!

Sorry, if I wasn't clear: that dialogie was in the script, but didn't make it into the final cut. Not sure if he actually filmed it or not....

I very much agree with This IsTheGirl. Several items in the FWWM script suggest the bizzare meeting is actually taking place on Earth. Jeffries says: "I saw one of their meetings. It was above a convenience store... I found something in Seattle at Judy's... and then, there they were..."

Now, this suggests there is a convenience store in Seattle, and above it, the meeting took place. Possibly, the convenience store is called "Judy's". But that scene clearly takes place on Earth, in Seattle to be precise! And, as This IsTheGirl says, there are other things that suggest it, eg, Mike in Cooper's famous dream says that he and BOB lived among the people above a convenience store. "Among the people" suggests in this world, and in an urban setting, as opposed to isolation!

The Major Briggs in thw White Lodge thing has always bothered me. In my opnion, when we see that throne etc, that's not his image of the WL, it's more like..Briggs' "Happy Place", since he is talking whilst sitting there.

The Major Briggs in thw White Lodge thing has always bothered me. In my opnion, when we see that throne etc, that's not his image of the WL, it's more like..Briggs' "Happy Place", since he is talking whilst sitting there.

Or in simpler language: The White Lodge was transformed into the "waiting room" of the Black Lodge (maybe it couldn't be absorbed into the Black Lodge with some positive energy remaining - thus the benevolent spirits can still manifest themselves there. Hopefully one day the opposite will happen where the Black Lodge will undergo transformation into the "waiting room" of the White Lodge with the universal constant applied: Expansion and Retraction, Yin and Yang).

Picking up on the Yin and Yang idea: the floor of the Red Room is (of course) a black and white zigzag pattern, suggesting elements of good and evil combined together, coexisting, or intertwined. The Yin/Yang symbol likewise depicts two elements, one black, one white, coexisting in a state of balance or possibly harmony.

So perhaps the pattern on the floor of the Red Room is a clue to the way that the Black Lodge and White Lodge exist in relation to one another...

Picking up on the Yin and Yang idea: the floor of the Red Room is (of course) a black and white zigzag pattern, suggesting elements of good and evil combined together, coexisting, or intertwined. The Yin/Yang symbol likewise depicts two elements, one black, one white, coexisting in a state of balance or possibly harmony.

So perhaps the pattern on the floor of the Red Room is a clue to the way that the Black Lodge and White Lodge exist in relation to one another...

 O Dear, this really is becoming interesting. What an idea, i like it! The jagged points and the straight sides, altho i have to say id have asumed that the the boundary between the white and black lodges would have been more grayed and less clear. I ve just had a thought: Do you think its possible that DL has freaky dreams, makes them into films and then watches us for 20 years in the hope that we will figure it out for him? I mean i would certainly want to do it that way if i came up with half the insanity that he seems to come out with!

I am stuck. But this thread is certainly helping me get there.

Mandozilla

We never actually saw the White Lodge - When Laura was taken to the White Lodge by the Angel at the end of FWWM, all we could see is that she was surrounded by white light. MANDOZILLA was definately onto the real aspects of Lodges, since there are three types in reality - White, Grey and Black. An example of a Grey Lodge is the Freemasons - An example of a Black Lodge is the one Aleister Crowley ran. If you don't know who Crowlry is you can Google it. I don't know of any White Lodges. Like Windom would say, they're too airy-fairy to bother with.

I just thought of something. It's 4 o'clock in the morning right now and I'm dead tired, so just bare with me on this one...

Someone mentioned that the Waiting Room / Black Lodge we see is Laura's version of the whole thing, because she dreamed of this place. Cooper then enters Laura's dream. Now...in the scene from FWWM above the convenience store, someone says "we live inside a dream". What if everything that has to do with the room with the red drapes are just Laura's dream? BOB, LMFAP, the giant, the waiter, the doppelgangers...they're all Laura's version of the place she ends up after she's killed.

I have no idea how Cooper ends up there too tho...this theory is probably not quite right. Never thought of this before now. But "we live inside a dream" has to mean something, right? 

I think "We live inside a dream" means that the Lodges exist in another dimension, just like dreams take place in another dimension. Neither exists in our reality and they are intertwined - Cooper dreams of the Lodge , Laura dreams of it in FWWM after putting the painting on her wall.

But in the final episode, Cooper seems to physically enter the Waiting Room...

That's right - In the final episode Cooper finally finds the entrance and enters this other dimension where the waiting room exists..