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1. Sunday, July 1, 2007 4:16 PM
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Or is it that you get what others pay for?  Or you used to anyway. What do you think?

I will not be trapped into watching another Michael Moore propaganda piece.  I did my part with the last one.  But I have a feeling others will so I'm lobbing off a preemptive strike. May be the only words I offer on the subject too since this sizes it up pretty well. From a Wall Street Journal op-ed page earlier this week.


WHO'S REALLY 'SICKO'
By David Gratzer
Thursday, June 28, 2007
"I haven't seen 'Sicko,'" says Avril Allen about the new Michael Moore documentary, which advocates socialized medicine for the United States. The film which has been widely viewed on the Internet, and which will officially open in the US and Canada on Friday, has been getting rave reviews. But Ms. Allen, a lawyer, has no plans to watch it. She's just too busy preparing to file suit against Ontario's provincial government about its health-care system next month.
Her client, Lindsay McCreith, would have had to wait for four months just to get an MRI, and then months more to see a neurologist for his malignant brain tumor. Insead, frustrated and ill, the retired autobody shop owner traveled to Buffalo, NY for a lifesaving surgery. Now he's suing for the right to opt out of Canada's government-run health care, which he considers dangerous.
Ms Allen figures the lawsuit has a fighting chance: In 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that "access to wait lists is not access to health care," striking down key Quebec laws that prohibited private medicine and private health insurance.
In the US, 83 House Democrats voted for a bill in 1993 calling for single-payer health care. That idea collapsed with HillaryCare and since then has existed on the fringes of the debate -- winning praise from academics and pressure groups, but remaining largely out of the political discussion. Mr. Moore's documentary intends to change that, exposing millions to his argument that American health care is sick and socialized medicine is the cure.
It's not simply that Mr. Moore is wrong. His grand tour of public health care systems misses the big story: While he prescribes socialism, market-oriented reforms are percolating in cities from Stockholm to Saskatoon.
Mr. Moore goes to London, Ontario, where he notes that not a single patient has waited in the hospital emergency room more than 45 minutes. "It's a fabulous system," a woman explains. In Britain, he tours a hospital where patients marvel at their free care. A patient's husband explains: "It's not America." Humorously, Mr. Moore finds a cashier dispensing money to patients (for transportation). In France, a doctor explains the success of the health-care system with the old Marxist axiom: "You pay according to your means, and your receive according to your needs."
It's compelling material -- I know because, born and raised in Canada, I used to believe in government-run health care. Then i was mugged by reality.
Consider, for instance, Mr. Moore's claim that ERs don't overcrowd in Canada. A Canadian government study recently found that only about half of patients are treated in a timely manner, as defined by local medical and hospitial associations. "The research merely confirms anecdotal reports of interminable waits," reported a national newspaper. While people in rural areas seem to fare better, Toronto patients receive care in four hours on average; one in 10 patients waits more than a dozen hours.
This problem hit close to home last year: A relative, living in Winnipeg, nearly died of strangulated bowel while lying on a stretcher for five hours, writing in pain. To get the needed ultrasound, he was sent by ambulance to another hospital.
In Britain, the Deparment of Health recently acknowledged that one in eight patients wait more than a year for surgery. Around the time Mr. Moore was putting the finishing touches on his documentary, a hospital in Sutton Coldfield announced is new money-saving linen policy: Housekeeping will no longer change the bed sheets between patients; just turn them over. France's system failed so spectacularly in the summer heat of 2003 that 13,000 people died, largely of dehydration. Hospitals stopped answering the phones and ambulance attendants told people to fend for themselves.
With such problems, it's not surprisng that people are looking for alternatives. Private clinics -- some operating in a "gray zone" of the law -- are now opening in Canada at a rate of one per week.
Canadian doctors, once quiet on the issue of private health care, elected Brian Day as president of their national assocaition. Dr. Day is a leading critic of Canadian medicare; he opened a private surgery hospital and then challenged the government to shut it down. "This is a country," Dr. Day said by way of explanation, "in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years."
Market reforms are catching on in Britain, too. For six decades, its socialist Labour Party scoffed at the very idea of private medicine, dismissing it as "Americanization." Today Labour favors privatization, promising to triple the number of private-sector surgical procedures provided within two years. The Labour government asprires to give patients a choice of four providers for surgeries, at least one of them private, and recently considered the contracting out of some primary-care services -- perhaps even to American companies.
Other European countries follow this same path. In Sweden, after the latest privatizations, the government will contract out some 80% of Stockholm's primary care and 40% of total health services, including Stockholm's largest hospital. Beginning before the election of the new conservative chancellor, Germany enhanced insurance competition and turned state enterprises over to the private sector (including the majority of public hospitals). Even in Slovakia, a former Marxist country, privatizations are actively debated.
Under the weight of demographic shifts and strained by the limits of command-and-control economics, government-run health systems have turned out to be less than utopian. The stories are the same: dirty hospitals, poor standards and difficulty accessing modern drugs and tests.
Admittedly, the recent market reforms are gradual and controversial. But facts are facts, the reforms are real, and they represent a major trend in health care. What does Mr. Moore's documentary say about that? Nothing.
Dr. Gratzer, a pracricing physician licensed in Canada and the US and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is the author of "The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care"


     
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2. Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:09 PM
superducky RE: Socialized Medicine - Something for Nothing?

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I might weigh in a little later depending on how this thread goes.  


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3. Sunday, July 1, 2007 5:37 PM
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I really don't think there are black and white answers I have seen so far to either the American issues or the Canadian ones.  Certainly if you are a 'have" rather than a "have not" then the US system will get you about the finest care anywhere.  If you do happen to be a "have not" though you will likely fare better in Canada.  Not sure about the middle class, it seems like some HMO's in the US will have you waiting as long as people in Canada sometimes do.  I really like the part about my countries system where everybody is looked after without incurring personal debt and would never want to see that go away but it does come with imperfections.  I don't plan to see Moore's film.


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4. Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:23 PM
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I live in Italy, a State with about 57 millions of people living in. I've got a chronic disease. My State pays for me medicines, specialist's visits, exams, because I don't have so much money to pay by myself or to use private Health structures. That's democracy. Although we share our nationality with a man (or a dwarf?) called Berlusconi...

 


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