So, I'm watching the last episode for the umpteenth time....stil freaking me out. I don't know if this hads been mentioned here on the board but I have a question that's really bothering me. Coop Dopp passes Leland Dopp in the Black Lodge. This makes me wonder...do you think that either bad Leland Dopp or redeemed Leland ever bumped into Laura in the White Lodge or whatever purgatory she seems to be stuck in? I mean...if she's stuck there for 25 years, and she seems to welcome him "into the light" upon death, it seems as though they would kinda bump into eachother at some point.

Again, apologies if this has alreasy been discussed. 

I don't think I've heard this specifically discussed.

My first impression was that every living person has two souls that always exist, simultaneously, in the lodge. Or, like Hawk said, a waking soul and a dream soul that wanders. I decided, personally, that the doppleganger can take over the waking soul whenever someone is doing malice. (Which is why we see Laura look scary at Harold's in FWWM.)

But Lodge time and real time don't run parallel, which is why Laura dreams about the future (old Dale first, then Annie from the last episode.) Who knows? Maybe Lodge time runs backwards, or cyclically, or out of order. Dialogue cut from the FWWM shooting script was the LMFAP saying "is it future or is it past?" Maybe different rooms of the Lodge are running at different temporal speeds...

Thus, it's possible that Leland and Laura have done battle in the Lodge at some point before his death. But also that there may be a good Leland and a good Laura who have forgiven one another in their afterlife.

p.s. On a board about a 15 year old canceled tv show, everything has probably been discussed- so no one ever need apologize here.

So, I'm watching the last episode for the umpteenth time....stil freaking me out. I don't know if this hads been mentioned here on the board but I have a question that's really bothering me. Coop Dopp passes Leland Dopp in the Black Lodge. This makes me wonder...do you think that either bad Leland Dopp or redeemed Leland ever bumped into Laura in the White Lodge or whatever purgatory she seems to be stuck in? I mean...if she's stuck there for 25 years, and she seems to welcome him "into the light" upon death, it seems as though they would kinda bump into eachother at some point.

Again, apologies if this has alreasy been discussed. 

 Getting a little carried away aren't we? Most of what Lynch created in these last 45 minutes was strictly expressionism. Wondering whether Leland will bump into laura in the hallway of the lodge while probably going for his morning coffee is not only pure speculation, but fiction on your part. What we know and what we can base discussions on is what is shown or mentioned in the movie. Let's not get carried away :) .

 Getting a little carried away aren't we? Most of what Lynch created in these last 45 minutes was strictly expressionism. Wondering whether Leland will bump into laura in the hallway of the lodge while probably going for his morning coffee is not only pure speculation, but fiction on your part. What we know and what we can base discussions on is what is shown or mentioned in the movie. Let's not get carried away :) .

lelandloveslaura started a discussion based on Coop meeting Leland in the BL Leland's final moment, which is seen.  The idea that they're in there together was meant to be chilling, and Lynch was probably very aware of it's inplications (whether or not he had thought it out.) 

It's not spelled out for us, but there are lots of possibilities (like on the threads below) that are worth considering before we all write it off as "pure expressionism."  

http://www.twinpeaksgazette.com/community/topic.cfm?topicid=1848

http://www.twinpeaksgazette.com/prr/articles/physicsoflodge.html 

http://www.2000revue.com/community/topic.cfm?topicid=727 (comment 12)

No. lelandloveslaura started a discussion concerning whether Laura would eventually bump into Leland in the BL. Pay atention. And whether she will, we can never tell because as far as Lynch took us was Cooper being trapped in the Lodge. What happens next we will never know and even if we speculate it means absolutely nothing.

So what you're saying, Scorp, is that we just shouldn't bother discussing anything that isn't directly seen in the series and film, ever? I'm sorry but I have to say you come off as quite a grump! Part of the fun of discussing a televsion show that's been off the air for almost twenty years is talking about the things that weren't seen. In my opinion, anyway.

I think it's totally valid to keep discussing an old TV series from 20 years ago. After all, people are still talking about Shakespeare and that was about 400 years ago, and somewhere there are (perhaps) a few people discussing Aeschylus and Homer, and that was about 2500 years ago!!

No. lelandloveslaura started a discussion concerning whether Laura would eventually bump into Leland in the BL. Pay atention.

Pardon, Cooper meets Leland and Laura in the BL. What is seen is that they're all in the same place, d'oh.

You said it was "concerning" the potential meeting, I said what it was "based on." (I got an A in semantics, btw )

No. lelandloveslaura started a discussion concerning whether Laura would eventually bump into Leland in the BL. Pay atention.

Pardon, Cooper meets Leland and Laura in the BL. What is seen is that they're all in the same place, d'oh.

You said it was "concerning" the potential meeting, I said what it was "based on." (I got an A in semantics, btw )

  The whole point of this threat was to speculate over the eventual meeting of Laura and Leland in the BL and that's pointless. It's like if the President was mentioned in the film, to start a discussion whether he and Pete will meet sometime on the planet Earth cause, hey, they are said to be on the same planet. It's IN the movie right ?

 The main thing is. Laura meeting Leland can't be predicted, wouldn't have any effect on the outcome of the series, wouldn't have any value for analysing the characters or the deeper meaning of the series, niether would it prove ANYTHING. The Pete-President example sounds just right.

SO. Excuse me if i'm being a grump, and i see u might have a point there, but you see stupid threats all the time and at a certain point something inside you urges you to do something about it!

 I'm sorry. I'm such a nice guy usually..

The good part of Leland's soul went into the White Lodge, the bad part of his soul is now in the Black Lodge. Clear as the legend of Paradise and Hell...Dante Alighieri docet.

Sonia

Scorp, I'm afraid your "Pete meets the president" analogy doesn't really fit. True, Leland and Laura meeting in the lodges in some form or another (dopp Laura meeting dopp Leland, good Laura meeting Dopp Leland,Dopp Laura meeting good Leland, or good Laura meeting good Leland) would not change the outcome of anything and doesn't really add any extra depth to the show as it is.But i do think that it is a valid and arguably interesting concept to think about. Unlike the Pete and the president thing which is just stupid. I, for one,think an ultimate forgiveness or Dopp Face Off brings loads of interesting images to mind. And I'm sorry to bore with such a stupid thread, but if you don't find pleasure in hashing and rehashing and theoizing on a show that's been cancelled for nearly 20 years, why are you even here? Are there really that many new theories that can come into play? If so, please enlighten...

 But until then, I'm going to keep fantasizing about a touching reunion between Leland and Laura somewhere out there.

That was Leland's doppleganger in the black lodge - you can tell the dopplegangers from the weird eyes.

Clearly the way people behave and the way things work in the Lodges is totally different from that of the real world. Therefore even if such a meeting occurred it would be impossible to know what would happen; a "touching" reunion seems highly unlikely... and really there's no way to tell what it would be like to be a spirit in the Lodge... it would probably be beyond human understanding.

I think it's totally valid to keep discussing an old TV series from 20 years ago. After all, people are still talking about Shakespeare and that was about 400 years ago, and somewhere there are (perhaps) a few people discussing Aeschylus and Homer, and that was about 2500 years ago!!

 There is a certain difference between philology and fantasy: the first one takes form from scientific research, the second one is a "what if". Surely, "what if" is a pure and a brilliant exercise of logic. So, it's a good way of passing time.

In my opinion, if evil Leland IS in the Black Lodge, and Laura too, sooner or later he will meet Laura...And this is logic (that's called hypothetic syllogism). Trying to guess what they'd do in case of a meeting, is FANFICTION.... 

Sonia

Just a thought; posting a topic dubbed "Leland: Spoilers" is a pretty dead giveaway to the show's big question. THe title's kind of a spoiler in itself.

M3nT4T73, I think you are right that theorizing the meeting that never happened does border on fan fiction...I guess I just thought it was an interesting topic? I wish I had a more interesting, less fan-fic-ish topic...I'm sure I'll come up with more after viewing the series again on the GOLD edition!

 Daylight, I don't think the title of my thread gives anything away...I could type anyone's name and "spoilers" next to it, and it could mean anything! Just my humble opinion, anyway.

So, I guess we've concluded that a meeting is possible and what would happen is anyone's guess because of the logic or lack thereof of the lodges. Which is basically what I already knew. Oh well, some questions weren't meant to be answered, excpet for in the fan fic of your own minds, maybe.

 Maybe we should start a topic thats really new and interesting and no one has thought of before....how about..."OMG WHO IS DA HOTTEST CHICK IN TWIN PEAKS?!!!!!11"