Help me understand....

Well, I read around the internet that the most quoted theory talks about the Giant and the Little Man being the same entity related to Mike, but why the Giant is in the Black Lodge if he seems to be a good entity that tried to help Dale Cooper from the beginning? In episode 29 he sits near the Little Man saying something like "we two are one" (excuses for the bad translation but I have the italian version only)...WHAT about them? WHO are them TOGHETER? WHY they are the same entity? WHY the Gentle Giant is there?

Thanks for your explanations

Sonia

I think the Black lodge has both good and evil. Laura Palmer isnt bad and neither is Mrs Tremond and her grandson who are in FWWM. I think it has both and realise they have to live with each other so decide to get along, im not 100% sure tho. Theres probs no right or wrong answer and a question for your imagination to decide

First of all, excuse me for my bad english (who are them=who are THEY ;) )

I have another question. If the giant and the little man are the same entity, and they are related to Mike, that is AN entity by himself, so the entity that possess Mr. Gerrard is made in THREE PARTS?

The problem is wider and wider...

Sonia

Mrs Tremond is in FWWM and in the series but not a great deal. Shes the old woman whos in the meeting about BOBs convienience store in FWWM and is in a couple of scenes with her grandson with a mask. Shes also in an episode in the series where Donna visits her and again, her grandson is there. Then she visits again in a later episode but they're not there and apparntly had died years ago

Well, I read around the internet that the most quoted theory talks about the Giant and the Little Man being the same entity related to Mike, but why the Giant is in the Black Lodge if he seems to be a good entity that tried to help Dale Cooper from the beginning? In episode 29 he sits near the Little Man saying something like "we two are one" (excuses for the bad translation but I have the italian version only)...WHAT about them? WHO are them TOGHETER? WHY they are the same entity? WHY the Gentle Giant is there?

Your English is fine. I have no idea what Mr B is talking about, either.

http://www.twinpeaks.org/faqeps.htm talks about the "one and the same" controversy. (See E62)

Also, Mike/Gerard cut off the tattooed arm, and the little man says "I am the arm" in Fire Walk with Me. (See E28) That's the only evidence that the little man is Mike, the spirit that possesses Gerard.

People argue about whether or not the little man is good. Keep in mind that there are two dwarfs in the red room, and one is a doppleganger.   The Giant may play some role in tempering the evil in Mike/the little man, but nothing is certain.

I think "one and the same" means that the helper spirits are kin, or at least united in purpose. (The little man says Laura is his cousin, too.)  

Some Eastern religions believe that there is a transcendent spiritual consciousness that the soul ultimately returns to, so perhaps the Lodge spirits that help Cooper are unified in that way...?

The little man that says "GO BOB, GO!" in the Black Lodge in ep 29, starting in this way the hunt of Cooper's doppelganger against our hero, was without white eyes...So the good doop of Little Man could be by the side of BOB? And the evil doop of the dwarf has an alliance with the POPE, instead...Well...

I'm totally confused....

Sonia

P.S. my english is awful, anything you think about it...I make lots of errors in grammar and I put the verb to be AFTER the subject and not BEFORE in the question phrases, as the grammar orders! Maybe this is unconscious slang, isn't it?

The little man that says "GO BOB, GO!" in the Black Lodge in ep 29, starting in this way the hunt of Cooper's doppelganger against our hero, was without white eyes...So the good doop of Little Man could be by the side of BOB?

I'm amazed at the misleading foreign translation!  "Go, Bob, Go" is actually "Wow, Bob, Wow" - so he is not the initiator, but an innocent bystander.

Oh sorry for my fault caused probably by the damn backwards way of speeching of the dwarf in my ITALIAN version without subtitles...Here's an example of a complete misunderstanding theory generated by MY partial DEAFNESS AHAHAHA

Uhm...I feel a bit like Gordon Cole, talk to me ALOUD please....

I don't believe the Giant and the LMFAP are one and the same, that's IMO a common misconception... The Giant is talking about Sr. Droolcup when he says "one and the same". Through the series we see there's a connection between the two, like if Droolcup was some kind of vessel-medium for the Giant and then in ep.29 the Giant appears in the SAME spot Droolcup was standing..

Yeah...And in the scene when we discover that Leland is possessed by Bob, the old room service waiter says "That gum you like is going to come back in style"...Which is related to the first Cooper's dream...He's a medium...And in the scene when Dale has been shot he appears a short before the Giant...Ok, that's the solution! Confusion was created because the Giant says "one and the same" just when he sits beside the Little Man...But now its clear....

Thanks!

Sonia

I don't believe the Giant and the LMFAP are one and the same, that's IMO a common misconception... The Giant is talking about Sr. Droolcup when he says "one and the same". Through the series we see there's a connection between the two, like if Droolcup was some kind of vessel-medium for the Giant and then in ep.29 the Giant appears in the SAME spot Droolcup was standing..

Gordon, I'd just like to say: I totally agree with this. This is by far the most accurate and sensible interpretation of "one and the same". All the way through the series, it suggests and implies than Sr Droolcup is the Giant's vessel, again and again. In episode 29, it gives the final, definite confirmation of this idea. Nowhere in any of the previous episodes does it ever suggest that LMFAP and the Giant are somehow "the same as each other". They are even drawn separately on the Owl Cave drawing!

 
They are even drawn separately on the Own Cave drawing!

I forgot to mention that... Of course!

Mike was bad and turned Good. So maybe they signify both sides of that.

Also, in Lynch's world view, if he adheres to Hinduism, the world is  illusions and everything is one thing.

BOB maybe be different though. BOB a palindrome is the same which ever way you see it. This stressed through the reverse speech.

Thanks for the summary, Fred & Gordon. I agree that Sr. Droolcup is a vessel for the giant, which brings up an interesting question for me. I've danced around with this one on another thread, but never have quite gotten to the "thing" I'm trying to ask. Here goes again:

Of the types of "spirits" (if you will) we see in the BL, there are two that are not a part of TP-land (aka not seen outside of the red room unless, as is the case with the Giant, they have a vessel). Those two would be the giant and the little man.

1. What does the fact that we can see the giant only after Sr. Drlcup and the LMFAP not at all in TP mean for the types of spirits they are?

2. The LMFAP has a doppelganger that we see. However, if the giant has one, we aren't made aware of it in the context of the show. Why?

3. BOB appears to be like these two spirits and different from the OAM, in the sense that we only see him in TP-land if he's been "brought to us by,..." his vessel. He seems to have a s*&t-ton more powers than the Giant though.

As always, I appreciate any input you wish to provide. I'm not so much trying to "figure out" some sort of linear plot point to this, only to more deeply understand the imagery and the deliberate choice of Lynch/Frost to imbue certain characteristics on these very important roles in the story.

im with you all on the senor/giant connection, but i still have some points of contention and difference of interpetation on a few points:

1.when the giant says "one and the same"(in the waiting room mind you, not the BL), i think it refers to both senor and LMFAP. its a double entendre. he takes the place of senor, but says it next to LMFAP. its just subtle enough to suggest two meanings, so why cant it be both? maybe they act as guides or hosts for the lodges. in that aspect they play respective roles.

2.i do not think mike is good. or bad for that matter, but no more or less than BOB. in FWWM, mike confronts laura and leland at the intersection, but is not warning laura so much as warning BOB. BOB stole the garmonbozia of theresa banks(which was rightly mike's, theresa wore his ring, BOB left it in the trailer park) and now wants BOB to pay it back. by giving the ring to laura, he takes ownership of her garmonbozia, as well as inflicting BOB with a little payback, as BOB wanted to become laura and instead has to kill her because of his trangression with theresa. mike seems to have more power than BOB, i do believe he said BOB was his "familiar" at one time, which donotes a step down in the hierarchy. hes able to transverse all the worlds of TP without difficulty, and without much notice, as he's "just a shoesalesman."

3.there are other entities from the lodge that are never seen elsewhere. the electrician(i know, he may be cooper possibly...) and the woodsmen. i dont feel much need to define them, but they also seem limited to the lodge.

4. both mike and BOB are inhabiting spirits. BOB inhabits leland. mike inhabits philip gerard. but only the gifted and the damned can see BOB withing Leland, while mike's physical presence never changes, not unless you consider his reunion with the arm in the lodge at the end of FWWM a change. so why does mike's presence not change, yet BOB is always in the guise of his host?