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26. Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:01 PM
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Oh what the heck. Why not use the existing thread. Surely strangling your teenage daughter for not wearing her hijab must qualify as Islamic Hypersensitivity at best. This in CANADA, for cryin' out loud. Honor is an international concept.

Not sure what that goo-goo-gaa-gaa baby photo is doing in the article but awwww, is she soooo cute or what? And so much to look forward to.

Susan


Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab, her friends say
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Friends and classmates of a 16-year old girl who police say was murdered by her devout Muslim father in a Toronto suburb told local media Tuesday she was killed for not wearing a hijab.

Police said in a statement they received an emergency call at 7:55 am local time Monday from "a man who indicated that he had just killed his daughter."

The victim, Aqsa Parvez, was "rushed to hospital with life-threatening injuries, but tragically passed away late last night."

Her father, Muhammad Parvez, 57, was arrested at the scene and will be formally charged with murder when he appears in court Wednesday, said police.

The girl's friends, meanwhile, told local media she was having trouble at home because she did not conform to the family's religious beliefs and refused to wear a traditional Islamic head scarf, or hijab.

"She wanted to go different ways than her family wanted to go, and she wanted to make her own path, but he (her father) wouldn't let her," one of her classmates told public broadcaster CBC.

"She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."

According to her friends, Aqsa had worn the hijab at school last year, but rebelled in recent months.

They said she would leave home wearing a hijab and loose-fitting clothes, but would take off her head scarf and change into tighter garments at school, then change back before going home at the end of the day.

The victim's 26 year-old brother was also charged with obstructing police in the investigation.


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27. Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:42 PM
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How is the photo related to the story?


 
28. Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:33 PM
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QUOTE:How is the photo related to the story?

That was my question, JVSCant.

But if that is the best we can do to deal with the issue of honor killing (this time over a garment) -- ask about the photo?

Maybe the photo is there to convey the message that even a female infant should be properly covered lest her femininity overwhelm the males in her company.

But your guess is as good as mine.  Hypersensitivity is not one of my characteristics.

Susan


     
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29. Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:33 PM
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QUOTE: "She loved clothes," another of her friends, Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, told the daily Toronto Star. "She just wanted to show her beauty ... She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person."
More outrage a-brewing?

 
30. Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:48 PM
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I was curious because the Toronto Star story carried a photo of the actual young woman who was murdered, and I didn't see this photo in connection with it anywhere, so it kinda stands out.

Regardless, it's definitely true that religions contain a few crazy people, and it's saddening when they -- or secular crazy people for that matter -- make other people suffer for their madness.


 
31. Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:07 PM
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I was curious because the Toronto Star story carried a photo of the actual young woman who was murdered, and I didn't see this photo in connection with it anywhere, so it kinda stands out.

Regardless, it's definitely true that religions contain a few crazy people, and it's saddening when they -- or secular crazy people for that matter -- make other people suffer for their madness.


Little too generic for me, Sweetie, but I understand your reluctance to differentiate.

 

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32. Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:36 AM
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Very sad. That story reminds me of this one a few years ago. It perplexes me how murder can restore honour to a family:

 

Father found guilty of honour killing


By Paul Willis
Last Updated: 1:46am BST 12/06/2007

  • Video: Honour killing
  • Boyfriend left heartbroken by death
  • A father of a 20-year-old woman who was killed and buried in a suitcase under a patio was today found guilty of her murder.

    Banaz Mahmod was strangled in a so-called "honour" killing after her family disapproved of her relationship with her boyfriend.


    Banaz Mahmod had told police she feared for her life
    Banaz Mahmod had told police she feared for her life

    Her father Mahmod Mahmod and his brother Ari Mahmod ordered the murder because they believed she had shamed the family.

    A number of police officers are facing an internal disciplinary investigation over the handling of the case after it emerged that Miss Mahmod had told police four times that she feared for her life.

    She even wrote a letter naming those she thought would do it - one of whom later admitted his part in the killing.

    In footage recorded following an earlier attempt on her life by her father in December 2005, she said she was "really scared".

    Miss Mahmod fled home but later went back to her family and tried to carry on her relationship with boyfriend Rahmat Sulemani in secret.

    But when the couple were discovered and Mr Sulemani was threatened by her uncle's associates, Miss Mahmod contacted police again.

    She was urged to stay at a safe house but told officers she believed she would be all right at home because her mother was there.

    Miss Mahmod disappeared the following January and her decomposed body was discovered in Handsworth, Birmingham, three months later.

    Today Mahmod, 52, and Ari, 51, both from Mitcham, south London, were found guilty of murder following a trial lasting nearly three months.

    Mohamad Hama, 30, of West Norwood, south London, an associate of Ari, has already pleaded guilty to the murder.

    Darbaz Maref-Rasull, 24, of Hounslow, west London, was cleared of conspiracy to pervert justice. Ari was convicted of the charge.

    Pshtewan Hama, 26, also of Hounslow, has already pleaded guilty on the same count.

     

     


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    33. Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:35 PM
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    I was curious because the Toronto Star story carried a photo of the actual young woman who was murdered, and I didn't see this photo in connection with it anywhere, so it kinda stands out.

    Regardless, it's definitely true that religions contain a few crazy people, and it's saddening when they -- or secular crazy people for that matter -- make other people suffer for their madness.


    Little too generic for me, Sweetie, but I understand your reluctance to differentiate.

     

    Susan

    You know that when I finally make it to the fest, I'll be wearing a badge that says "Hello, My Name Is Pathologically Egalitarian"...

    I agree that a Christian family is far more likely to just kick a "wayward "daughter out of the house rather than be one of those once-a-year "Parents kill child during exorcism" stories.  And since all Canadian news is local news in Canada, we do hear a number of these idiotic "honor" crimes coming out of Muslim and Sikh communities from coast to coast. 

    I know you know my point: that for every one of these there are thousands of families that manage to not kill each other.

    I've certainly met a couple of Muslims who are insufferably egotistical about the value of their belief system, and who might try to scrape up a half-defence in favor of the father in this case.  They weren't very thoughtful about anything else, either, I'm afraid.

    But the west has suffered greater growing pains and come through, and I think we have a little bit of hypersensitivity to Islam, especially when lousy things like this come up.


     
    34. Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:04 PM
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    Yeah.  I guess 1400 years hasn't been long enough.  I'll check back in a couple hundred more. Then again, the glory days WERE mostly prior to 1000 so I'm not sure how this plays out.

    But seriously, JVSCant, I do know your point and I do understand your egalitarian streak.  On a macro basis, I share it and every individual human being starts off on an equal footing with me. But on a grander scale, when looking out over the vast history of mankind, I look for what works better rather than worse.  Trying to discover what commonalities tend to lead toward a better, more functional society.  And, being as dispassionate as I can be about it, I don't see Islam as having had the same ingredients that lead to a successful society.  That's likely to change, just as all societies change and adapt to circumstances.  But the trends just seem to not be all that positive from my perspective.

    I would recognize you even without your egalitarian name tag, JVS.  That is, if you still have blue hair.  Hopefully this will happen next summer. 

    Susan


         
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    35. Friday, December 21, 2007 12:10 AM
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    'Successful society'

    Ha! the term is so... convenient.

    Maybe you desensitized yourself to your own condescending voice, darling.

    See: hubris. The american society has got its own problems and they are deep-rooted and involve the lives of millions individuals, yet you are so entitled to determine what is successful and what is not.

    The truth is America has a lot of trouble seeing other societies be 'successful', while she is obviously herself in more troubled waters than she would like to admit.

    And this despite all the fingers pointed in outer direction.

    "Judge me not before yourself"

    Successful, according to whom? And if you mean successful in the sense of 'that knows how to take advantage of situations', well yes american society is the champion.

    But you cannot compare, it's ludicrous. It would be like comparing you with the next. What's the point? If you talk specifically to one person, you adress the person, it's case by case. Why could it not be the same for cultures, countries?

    You would like people to think that YOU are superior because in a binary system like yours there are only dichotomies like that. Winner/loser, rich/poor, black/white. I wish you could at least acknowledge that the world is not so black or white.

     


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    36. Friday, December 21, 2007 9:44 PM
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    Darling?

     


         
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    37. Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:02 PM
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    So I excitedly click on the topic seeing that Susan had just posted, and was ready to read a wonderful response!

    "Darling?"

    LOL!!!!!


    Jordan .

     
    38. Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:09 PM
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    Darling?

     


     I think it's a reference to your resemblance to Warhol "superstar" Candy Darling.

     
    39. Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:17 PM
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    40. Saturday, December 22, 2007 6:36 PM
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    Darling?

     


    I think it's a reference to your resemblance to Warhol "superstar" Candy Darling.
    Candy Darling was on the cover of I Am a Bird Now by Antony and the Johnson, and we know Susan likes Antony.
    I do not know how women react to "you look like a pre-op transsexual".
    Take the tests:
    http://www2.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/
    http://www2.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale2/
    http://www2.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale3/

     
    41. Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:57 AM
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    Hmm, and I thought it referred to the Julie Christie movie I love-love-loved from the 60s. That movie so influenced my thinking that I WANTED to called -- "Darling..." {{{swoon}}} I liked it better than "Sweetheart" or "Honey" and definitely more than "Babe." "Darling" was sophisticated. To be a "Darling" was a neat fit with my youthful concept of romantic love. That and a glass martini cart. The high-rise apartment with a Manhattan skyline view. Cosmo girl!

    But no transgenders in the mix. Back then there was only one anyway -- Christine Jorgensen -- and I doubt many others were aspiring to have the same amputation-surgery. Speaking of which, this is an area where Iran's mullahs are way modern encouraging sex change operations although there are more female-to-males on the waiting lists than male-to-females. Their expressed rationale - homosexuality is verboten. Since there is no homosexuality in Iran, I think this is a good solution. Further, it is that man-bites-dog illustration of contemporary Islamic Non-Hypersensitivity.

    Never let it be said that yours truly isn't fair. And balanced.

    Susan

    PS  Took your quizes, Booth.  First one I was cooking -- 12 out of 16 correct.  Then I guess I got cocky.  (in a manner of speaking)  9 of of 16.  So I was more careful with the third quiz.  I wasn't thrown by those rapturous heads tossed back in "ecstacy."  11 out of 16.  

    Beat those scores? 


         
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    42. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:07 AM
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    Nice that this guy was hypersensitive...

     

    Helper 'A Hero' in NYC Subway Attack

    NEW YORK (AP) — A suspected bias attack on four Jewish subway riders has resulted in a friendship between the Jewish victims and the Muslim college student who came to their aid.

    Walter Adler is calling Hassan Askari a hero for intervening when Adler and three friends were assaulted on a subway train in lower Manhattan on Friday night.

    The altercation erupted when Adler and his friends said "Happy Chanukah" to a group yelling "Merry Christmas" on the Brooklyn-bound train.

    The 20-year-old Askari said he tried to fight off the 10 attackers, giving Adler a chance to summon police by pulling an emergency brake.

    "I did what I thought was right," said Askari, a student at Berkeley College in Manhattan, who was allegedly punched and beaten. "I did the best that I could to help."

    Eight men and two women have pleaded not guilty to assault, menacing and other charges in the case. Prosecutors have said the charges could be upgraded to hate crimes.

    "That a random Muslim kid helped some Jewish kids, that's what's positive about New York," said Adler, 23, who suffered a broken nose and a lip wound.


     
    43. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:20 AM
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    That's a great story, JVSCant, and I'd say it goes along with one of the many reasons I HEART NY, the epitome of America!  Here's a fuller rendition.

    ‘Jews And Muslims Are Kissing Cousins’

    Bangladeshi subway hero reflects on the Q train attack, his faith and coexistence.

    by Walter Ruby
    Special To The Jewish Week

    After three days in the media glare, the so-called "Subway Good Samaritan" retreated to upstate New York in the middle of last week. But the trip with a friend lasted just 24 hours, and when Hassan Askari returned to his life as a Berkeley College accounting student and a deliveryman for two East Village Indian restaurants, a fuller picture began to emerge of a thoughtful 20-year-old Bangladeshi with a multicultural cast to his life and strong views about the common ground he believes exists between Jews and Muslims.

    And in an interview with The Jewish Week after his upstate getaway, Askari — hailed as a hero for coming to the defense of several Jews who were the victims of a
    n anti-Semitic attack on Dec. 7 on the Q train — touched on such sensitive issues as 9/11 and Islam, the nature of faith and Jerusalem.

    Askari sees little irony in the tableau of a Muslim leaping into the breach to save Jews. "I have always had friends of all backgrounds, including Jews," he said in the interview. "Two of my closest friends in New York are Bengali Jews from Dacca. While living in Bangladesh, I also had Hindu and Buddhist friends, and my fiancé, Cannelle Cuvalier, who is from Belgium but lives in Bangladesh, is from a Christian background.

    "Unfortunately, most people are not willing to learn about other religions and respect them," he continued. "I believe that no one religion has a monopoly on truth. My dad always taught me, ‘You will never know the truth before you die and stand before God.’"

    Of the ties between Jews and Muslims, Askari added, "Judaism is the faith that is closest to Islam. It seems to me that Jews and Muslims are kissing cousins with a lot of similarities in the way we practice and the rules we observe. I really hope Jews and Muslims can come together as friends and allies and this incident helps to inspire that. If we can come together here in New York, it will set example for other places, like the Middle East."

    The subway attack landed Askari and Walter Adler, 23, one of the Jewish victims, on the front page of the tabloids. It led Daily News columnist Michael Daley to write: "If you are ever tempted to curse all Muslims, think of Hassan Askari, who should be riding the trains free for the rest of his days." It earned Askari and Adler honors from the Foundation For Ethnic Understanding, a coexistence group headed by Rabbi Marc Schneier and hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons. The two young men were hailed by Rabbi Schneier "for their courage in not allowing their faith to come between them in a time of need. They are leading by example."

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg was scheduled to host Askari at City Hall on Wednesday, and the Anti-Defamation League was scheduled to make him the inaugural recipient of its "Stand-Up New Yorker Award" the same day, an award established to honor Askari.

    But his actions, Askari told The Jewish Week, were just a natural extension of his upbringing. He was born in the U.S. to Bangladeshi parents, but spent most of his youth in the Bangladeshi capital of Dacca, returning to the U.S. in 2006 to attend Berkeley College. He said the values he received from his parents, his Islamic faith and the Bangladeshi society he grew up in help explain why he didn’t hesitate to jump in when he saw Adler, Adler’s girlfriend Maria Parsheva and the others being roughed up.

    Throughout the interview, Askari, a slender young man with long hair who still had two black eyes and a swollen face, continued to insist, "I don’t consider myself a hero. I did what anyone would do."

    Yet when reminded that he was the only person on the subway car who intervened on behalf of the victims, Askrai responded, "Well, I hope people learn from this that they need to get involved when someone else is in trouble. I was raised to always help, and not to stand by and let a person get beaten up."

    Askari said of the attack on the Q train: "I watched the situation develop. This big group of kids was cussing at the others and then started pushing them. I grabbed one of the attackers and said, ‘Are you crazy’? Then someone jumped me. It was a nasty scene, with blood all over the floor."

    Speaking of Bangladesh, Askari said, "It is very impoverished country, but also a very communal society where everyone knows everybody else and everyone helps each other. My religion is also a big factor in who I am. It taught me good moral values; what you can and can’t do. Islam teaches you that you have to be there for someone in need, no matter what his or her race, religion or nationality."

    Askari said of his upbringing, "My parents taught me to respect other cultures and religions. My mother is very religious and prays five times a day, but she is also very liberal and open-minded. My father, who is in the garment business in Dacca, is a nawab [an honorific title for Muslim nobility] and is one of three generations of our family to be knighted by the monarch of England."

    Yet despite his aristocratic background, Askari emphasized that his family is no longer wealthy; much of their holdings were in land, much of which has been confiscated by the Bangladesh government in successive land reforms. Therefore, he said, "I plan to stay in America, because I have greater opportunities here."

    Askari offered no opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, except to say that he sees Jerusalem as "everybody’s birthright. Jerusalem is where our common history is and cannot belong to just one faith. I would very much like to travel to Jerusalem and experience it firsthand."

    Askari said he believes that Osama bin Laden and Islamic fundamentalist suicide bombers have given a false picture of Islam to the world. "Sept. 11 was a humongous tragedy, yet I do not believe that the perpetrators of that crime are representative of Muslims as a whole. Most Muslims I know have similar values to my own."

    Nevertheless, Askari acknowledged, "Personally, I’m not that religious, although I have immense faith in Allah. I work a lot and so it’s difficult for me to pray five times a day. Still, I try to pray as much as possible."

    Does Askari expect his fiancée to convert to Islam before he marries her? "If she wants to convert that’s fine, but if she chooses not to, that wouldn’t prevent me from marrying her."

    Askari said he hopes to transfer soon from Berkeley College to Baruch College, where he wants to study finance. Asked whether finance is not an odd career choice for a Good Samaritan, Askari responded, "Not at all. One can do wonderful things for people through finance. In Bangladesh, I did an internship at the Grameen Bank, headed by Muhammed Yunis [who won the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize for his pioneering work with microcredits]. I saw that giving a [no-interest] loan of $50 to a poor person can have a huge effect, that people who formerly lived in mud huts with leaky roofs now own two or three houses and a small pieces of land thanks to the microloans they received and their own hard work."

    Askari said he has been closely following legal developments in the subway attack case and was pleased to read in the media last weekend that prosecutors plan to charge the attackers in the subway incident with hate crimes. According to Askari, "It is good they are going to be charged with a hate crime, because this attack was so clearly motivated by hate and they deserve whatever punishment is involved. What they did was terribly wrong and it’s shocking that something like this could happen in New York City."

    Reflecting on the intense media coverage, and the aftermath, of the subway incident, Askari said, "Going upstate briefly and then back to work gave me a feeling of getting grounded again in reality. It has been exciting being a celebrity for a few days, but I need to keep my focus on everyday life. If I don’t work, I won’t be able to pay for college."

    Askari added, "I expect that when all this acclaim dies down, my life will go back to what it was before. The only difference is that this may open to me more opportunities to help people, something I have always wanted to do."

     


         
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    44. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:23 AM
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    Darling?

     


      Or maybe a reference to Peter Pan's Wendy Darling...

     
    45. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:32 AM
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    That works too, Chris. Oh man how I loved the window seat in the Darling's house! When Josh was a widdle kid, his room had a window seat with a big window looking out at the distant hills. It never failed to evoke those Peter Pan moments in me. Not sure if he noticed...


     


         
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    46. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:34 AM
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    That works too, Chris. Oh man how I loved the window seat in the Darling's house! When Josh was a widdle kid, his room had a window seat with a big window looking out at the distant hills. It never failed to evoke those Peter Pan moments in me. Not sure if he noticed...


     

    If he DID notice, I hope he never attempted to fly...
     

     
    47. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:42 AM
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    It never failed to evoke those Peter Pan moments in me.

    All those hours... thinking about killing lawyers.

    QUOTE:

    Beat those scores?

    Sure did: 16-15-15. Huzzah!

     
    48. Sunday, December 23, 2007 11:25 AM
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    Clearly you have more experience in drawing these distinctions, Booth.  You probably figured out The Crying Game within a nano second of Jaye Davidson's first appearance on the screen. 

    Commendable scores!   

    Susan 


         
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    49. Sunday, December 23, 2007 1:42 PM
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     You probably figured out The Crying Game within a nano second of Jaye Davidson's first appearance on the screen.


    I don't think I've seen that movie, but that part had already been spoiled umpteen times before I would have had the chance to anyway.

     
    50. Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:07 PM
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    Oh, I don't know if this story fits the category but I just didn't want to start a new thread labeled, "Another Bhutto Assassinated."

    But there it is. Gunshots, suicide bombing, and the early stirrings of the predictable follow-up rioting, indiscrimate killing, smashing, overturning vehicles and setting things ablaze. So, while it is not yet known if this murder qualifies as Islamic Hypersensitivity, (we don't know the motive of the bomb-laden suicide attacker yet), it seems lless likely a secular assassination. Think it's fair to say that hypersensitivity is in motion in Pakistan at this moment.

    Woke up to this breaking news today and at first thought I was watching one of those CNN end of year retrospectives when I read, "Bhutto Assassinated." Only this time it was Benazair.

    As Matt Drudge likes to say, "developing..." and there will be nervous-making days ahead as the ripple effect continues. Will an even harder line martial law be next in Pakistan?

    Susan


         
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