Since Lynch has never returned to Twin Peaks since you could say he doesn't care for it much or even respect it. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't rate it highly amongst his film-making ouvre. I don't know which films of his he values most.

Isn't that a bit like saying that he doesn't like any of his work? Since Twin Peaks is the only thing he has revisited.

Don't you agree that Peaks was the best story Lynch has worked on?

I can tell you're hanging in for INLAND EMPIRE Part 2 right, Booth?

On the first thing, it might have been, I don't know. I can honestly say that none of Lynch's projects have had any impact on me as far as "story" goes.

I haven't seen Inland Empire so my timbers remain unshivered.

Well, if he doesn't respect his own work, he's being very dishonest when he's interviewed about it. He has said that he "loves" FWWM, for example, and in "A Slice of Lynch" he makes a big point of saying (loud and clear) "I love Twin Peaks and its world." I think the only film of his that he expresses displeasure with is Dune.

Let me just add that it has always bothered me the way he has shown a lack of interest in his own short film for the Lumiere compilation.  He insists upon calling that film Lumiere when the title is actually Premmonition Following an Evil Deed.  How the hell do you forget the titles of your own films?  I can understad maybe someone like Brakhage who did so many, after all, but Lynch only has so many shorts.  Yikes.

TP3, you're really saying at least two different things.

On co-writing:
While I adore FWWM, Mulholland drive and Inland Empire, I agree very much on the fact that Lynch should get a co-writer for his next film. He's in constant danger of digging an aesthetic hole for himself that ultimately will lead up his own ass (shite metaphor city!). In Inland Empire you have a woman in trouble (check), alternate realities (check), some mysterious creepy guy in control of the proceedings (check (which films of his do not have this character?)), red drapes (check) - I could go on. However, IE still has a fresh perspective on things. The creepy-ass home movie/behind the scenes look of the film is one thing, the willingness to actually go out of his comfort zone for a few short scenes is another. If he tries to make a film about a woman in trouble again I doubt it will seem very fresh. Frost gave him the opportunity to make a police-oriented soap opera (exactly the genre that was Frost's claim to fame after he story-edited, directed and wrote Kozoll's and Bochco's Hill Street Blues), but with his main themes still there. That was a brilliant move for both. Frost got to a place he couldn't reach on his own, and Lynch got help to make his ideas seem acceptable to a large group of people without dumbing them down. It seems to me Engels was more of Lynch's scribe. I want him to find a co-writer that has some truly interesting and non-lynchian input, or he could direct a script he didn't write - that worked brilliantly for Hotel Room: Blackout and The Straight Story. What's Barry Gifford doing these days?

On your point about lack of respect for Twin Peaks, and lack of Twin Peaks in FWWM, I think that's wrong. FWWM is a completely different beast and it had to be. Have you read the script? The scene with Truman sticks out out like a sore thumb, it only makes the script longer and serves no real purpose except showing a character from the series. Which is fine, but only serves to make the film directionless. Another nugget: in between Bobby picking up Laura for their big score in the woods and arriving there we have a pointless intercut conversation with Pete and Ed at the Gas Farm about dirt on the inside of the windshield. Ed: "That's your territory". Again, fine in itself, but it stalls the film and has no purpose whatsoever. FWWM isn't a soap opera like the series, with one episode being one day, etc. It needs actual narrative progression. About the darkness of it all, that is very much in the script. It's a film about rape, drug use, incest and murdering your only child, after all, and the script didn't change that much. Mostly, Lynch cut the deadweight and the least subtle passages about the Lodge, something I think was dead on. I do think, however, more regulars could have been included. Strangely, no scene with Laura and Josie were written (that would have made more sense than Josie and Truman); and the scene where Leland joins Johnny's birthday party and Laura later gets cocaine from Ben Horne sounds great, but, alas, wasn't filmed. I really think the scenes would have to include Laura or Leland for them to make any sense. I think cutting the "muffin" scene at the Haywards, and the dinner scene where the Palmers speak Norwegian might have been a mistake. They both sound great. Also, the car scene with Buck and Tommy would make sense if only because that's the only case where it hurts the continuity (several people still think Partyland is a separate room at the Roadhouse). But overall, I think all the rest of the cuts were right as it makes the film more focussed. Cooper in the Lodge talking to the MFAP after the series ended? Annie being taken to the hospital with the owl ring? I don't need any of that.

My two Norwegian øre. 

Evenreven, I think you have hit the nail there. It would have been nice to bring in more series characters into FWWM but the film is already long(ish) and Mary Sweeney did a great job on the editing, really sharpened it. I agree that a couple of dropped scenes might have been nice (Laura and Josie, Laura and Johnny).

I think DL is acting well by not doing spinoffs. I don't want to see TP "20 years later". I don't want my favourite characters looking older - and some of the actors are dead now and some wouldn't return. It might have been nice to have season 3 (and 4) but at the right time. The time has passed. I want FWWM deleted scenes and nothing more TP-related. Would anyone want a bunch of lame episodes, directed by journeymen, written by hacks and sinking as low as some of the S2 episodes? No. I think the time has passed.

He insists upon calling that film Lumiere when the title is actually Premmonition Following an Evil Deed. How the hell do you forget the titles of your own films? I can understad maybe someone like Brakhage who did so many, after all, but Lynch only has so many shorts. Yikes.

He should add a "The" to the title. That seems to work.

I haven't seen Inland Empire because I haven't had the urge to do so. 

You probably just don't get the horn over Dern.

 Are there people who get the horn over Dern? 

-Req

Call me an obsessive, but I'd go and see any film Lynch made at the cinema. Booth, do you only like certain things Lynch has done? Did you enjoy TP but can take or leave the rest? What do you find off-putting about INLAND EMPIRE then, out of interest? The lack of any story? You said the stories in his films don't bother you. You probably just don't get the horn over Dern.

Eraserhead - Worth watching once.

Elephant Man - Decent mainstream movie.

Dune - Not as bad as some say, but still not a very good movie.

Blue Velvet - Probably Lynch's best. And not because it's not "weird".

Twin Peaks - Twin Peaks works, casting, atmosphere, music, it all comes together. Then the central mystery that wasn't meant to be solved is solved, and the writers have to come up with something new, and they don't do a very good job. The series coasts on what came before, and then the finale comes.
And while it's a memorable episode, it is the culmination of one of the most overrated aspects of the show (quest for the black/white lodge).
FWWM - Eh, never cared much about Laura anyway. The prologue is good though.

Wild at Heart - Some interesting vignettes, but it doesn't come together as a cohesive movie.

Lost Highway - My second favorite Lynch movie.

Straight Story - See Elephant Man.

Mulholland Drive - Did not like it.


So maybe the reason I haven't seen IE is a bit of the "you're only as good as your last movie" syndrome.

Are you having a laugh? One thing Lynch deos have respect for is Dern's gorgeous ass.

 Well, Austin Lynch at least...

Are you having a laugh? One thing Lynch deos have respect for is Dern's gorgeous ass.

Well, Austin Lynch at least...Did I miss something, or did you just imply Lynch Jr. has a thing for Dern?

This was always going to be an interesting topic to discuss.

12rainbow, I think OSF is referring to his line in Inland Empire.

tp3, I thought I wrote a pretty well-reasoned (and long) reply to your posts. Don't you have any thoughts in response to it? (Not to sound like a pretentious and self-righteous blowhard, but I think my post deserved something more than talk about Laura Dern's (admittedly nice) ass. Your initial thoughts did too.)

I've amended my comments because I've clearly lost the plot. Le sigh. I think I've reached Twin Peaks saturation point.      

I wouldn't say that. I think tp3's initial post is interesting (if somewhat misguided, perhaps), which is why I bothered writing a real response to it. And he (assuming the "horn" comment connotes heterosexuality) has been here longer than I have.

I also think there's some pointless bitching and n00b'isms going round these days, but not in this thread. Let's complain where complaining is due instead. I gotta say, though, if I see one more thread dedicated to how sucky "Just You" supposedly is, I'm gonna kick someone in the face. I heard you the first time, punks!

A while ago I came to this thread and noticed an amazing post by Evenreven that pretty much summed it all up for me.

Still I feel just to add I truly feel Lynch has an amazing enthusiasm for his work, not easily noticed by those without a bit of understanding of the field in which he works. Simply my opinion.

No worries, man. This place wouldn't be any fun without jokey asides.

12rainbow, I think OSF is referring to his line in Inland Empire.

Hold the phone- Austin is in IE? How did I not notice that?