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| 1. Thursday, June 5, 2008 3:38 PM |
| Kevin6002 |
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What are you views on each and how does your religious views play a part in what you feel about each? If you are not religious, why are you for or against either of these things?
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| 2. Friday, June 6, 2008 2:37 PM |
| 12rainbow |
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The doc Lake of Fire covers the issue well. Those who are staunchly anti-abortion don't seem to care about the quality of life of the child after it's born- or it's life expectancy. Unwanted children die in poverty, starving, all the time. Young mothers who could have taken the comparatively humane option of abortion frequently find other ways to dispose of the child after birth. Without legal and safe abortion, unhappy pregnant women will try other options; carbolic soap douches, coat hangers etc- these are effectively suicide attempts. No, abortion shouldn't be a form of birth control. It's a horror. But there are worse horrors without it. And you cannnot be anti-abortion and pro-death penalty. It's a contradiction.
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| 3. Saturday, June 7, 2008 2:04 PM |
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Yeah, Rainbow. I know what you mean. I don't support abortion or the death penalty, even though I don't know how I would feel if someone I loved was murdered. I do think a woman should have an abortion if her life is in danger. But I know what you mean about abortion. I know about people who put a lot of heart and energy into the Pro Life movement, and yet babies are dying in Africa. And it seems to me that if your heart was pro life, then what about their life? I think with each movement there are some people who are in it for the wrong reason. I think some people are in the Pro Control Women movement and calling it Pro Life and others are really into the Pro Life movement. I have met Lou Engle before and he seems to really do have a passion and a love for the babies.
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| 4. Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:31 PM |
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QUOTE:Yeah, Rainbow. I know what you mean. I don't support abortion or the death penalty, even though I don't know how I would feel if someone I loved was murdered. I do think a woman should have an abortion if her life is in danger. But I know what you mean about abortion. I know about people who put a lot of heart and energy into the Pro Life movement, and yet babies are dying in Africa. And it seems to me that if your heart was pro life, then what about their life? I think with each movement there are some people who are in it for the wrong reason. I think some people are in the Pro Control Women movement and calling it Pro Life and others are really into the Pro Life movement. I have met Lou Engle before and he seems to really do have a passion and a love for the babies.
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Please tell me how choice controls women, and what confused holy roller coined that misogynistic term. The evangelical pro-Life movement seems to operate entirely on saying "the poor babies" - but not the children. Babies are cute and innocent and cuddly and deserve the right to live. (THEY do!) But if they have no chance to, it's tantamount to saying torture is ok.
The headline in my local newspaper today said 2x as many children in Colo. are living in poverty as in 2000. We have the fastest growing child poverty rate in the nation. There is no way the most devoted prayer or moralizing can save these children.
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| 5. Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:24 PM |
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Rainbow I was talking about some of the negative things about the Pro Life movement. I think some people in the Pro Life movement are in it to control women, but that some are in it for the babies. In other words I think the Pro Choice movement does have some good points. Even though I think the only time a woman should have an abortion is if the woman's life is in danger. I think her choice was when she decided to make out. And I don't believe we should have a death penalty. But I think a move of God can change this country and other countries. It happened with the Welsh Revival. Like I think the Pro Life movement should have a focus on not only the babies being aborted, but also on the babies being born in poverty and the single moms. Even though I am not saying there are not any ministries doing these kinds of things. Just not under the Pro Life banner. Like Heidi Baker ministries has been helping children in Africa. Even after her staff has been raped, murdered and had their breast cut off. She is still helping the children. What you mean you didn't hear about that on the news? That is because the news will rarely have anything positive to say about Christians. It is too busy blinding the minds of the American public.
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| 6. Friday, June 13, 2008 10:50 AM |
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In all of the posts so far, no one has mentioned other options. The woman has a choice other than abortion---adoption. There are so many childless couples in this country, if she isn't able to care for the baby she should put it up for adoption. The Pro-Life movement has taken quite a beating in this thread, and no organization is perfect, but the Pro-Life movement is not about controlling women. Woman always have choices: we should chose to be responsible when we have sex and if we are in the situation of an unplanned pregnancy, we have the choice to allow a couple who are financially and emotionally prepared to raise a baby adopt it if we are not. It all comes down to one's view of life: does it began at conception or with the first breath taken outside the womb? This could be debated in a million threads and there will never be a concensus. Most people's minds are already made up on that subject and no amount of debating will alter their belief. The death penalty is a completely different issue from abortion: abortion is about innocent life that has done nothing wrong, the death penalty is about violent criminals. Every life has meaning and is of value, but I believe one can have different opinions on both subjects.
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| 7. Friday, June 13, 2008 2:30 PM |
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I agree coder girl. Adoption is a great choice. I like the Pro Life movement. I was just saying that the Pro Choice movement makes some good points. I have been around people in the Pro Life movement and some of them are passionate and care about what they stand for and others within the movement kind of scare me, LOL.
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| 8. Friday, June 20, 2008 9:57 PM |
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I don't support Abortion or the Death Penalty. I fail to see how people reach the contradictory position of supporting one but not the other. If human life is precious and valuable, then you can't support either imho. The argument that poverty or inconvenience to the mother or a range of other life events that people across the world live through daily...are somehow worth than being executed is a curious one...
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| 9. Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:02 PM |
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Being adopted myself, yes, adoption is a great option. For many women, this is a possibility. However, pregnancies cost money, too. You don't just go about your life as normal if you're giving up a baby for adoption. You need special nutrition and physician monitoring. Minority babies, I hate to say it, just aren't in demand for white middle class childless couples. Mothers on drugs, or smokers, or drinkers aren't going produce viable offspring, either.
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| 10. Sunday, August 3, 2008 4:11 PM |
| Sue Blue |
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Although I am unable to entirely approve of abortion, ethically, I believe that abortion should remain legal due to overpopulation and the possibility that certain mothers will be unable to provide positive lives for their offspring. However, I believe that governmental programs should significantly discourage inconsiderate behavior which will cause pregnancy, such as education programs and advertisements. I would not approve of capital punishment, regardless of the circumstance. I believe that, although criminals who "warrant" such penalties have imposed their “superiority” over others, no authority possesses the right to then impose their superiority over the criminal. To do so would be, I believe, hypocritical, and not as an act of justice which it is perceived as. I recognize that taxes increase as the amount of prisoners who do not receive the death penalty increases, but the morality in not allowing this punishment likely compensates for the monetary inconveniences.
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| 11. Friday, August 15, 2008 6:55 PM |
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Click on movies and watch the movie Destiny. It is a short movie about abortion. http://www.jerrimanthey.com/
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