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| 1. Thursday, June 5, 2008 3:41 PM |
| Kevin6002 |
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Sure Jesus talked about war, but based on his teachings do you think he supports war? Why or why not? The bible also mentions discipling not only people, but nations. What does that mean to you?
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| 2. Thursday, June 5, 2008 6:38 PM |
| one suave folk |
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QUOTE:Sure Jesus talked about war, but based on his teachings do you think he supports war? Why or why not? The bible also mentions discipling not only people, but nations. What does that mean to you?
| Well, doesn't that whole "thou shalt not kill" commandment make this argument sorta moot?
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| 3. Thursday, June 5, 2008 6:50 PM |
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Jesus built my hotrod and he wants me to be able to afford to ride it, so maybe.
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| 4. Thursday, June 5, 2008 7:16 PM |
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This is a discussion not an argument and yes I think this is something people need to talk about because many Christians seem to support war. So, I was wanting to know their views on this subject.
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| 5. Friday, June 6, 2008 11:30 AM |
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No, Commandment 6 (unless you're Catholic) says you shouldn't "MURDER." Kill and murder are two different things and it's all based on state of mind and intention. The Jews started battles to take over the Promised Land with that commandment so it's an important distinction -- kill and murder are two different things. The important thing to take away from that is that the OT clearly seems to suggest that wars are not wrong. Believing that Jesus is the Son of God, and believing that Jesus came to fulfill prophesy and is also God, we can also presume that He would be in agreement of this concept also, even with His "do unto others" and "turn the other cheek" remarks (which were probably more aimed at theological philosophy of the day rather than a comment about violence and peace and were based around idioms at that time). However, there are enough Christians who believe differently, and believe those are anti-violence comments -- I'm just not one of them. If you take the Bible soley from a critical, secular view, then one could say that the reason why the OT seems to suggest that wars are fine is because it had to make future Jews feel good and just in taking over the Promised Land -- and give credence for what they have done. Furthermore, if you view the Bible (and Jesus) from a secular view, then Jesus was simply a spiritual leader (not God) with a new movement. As a result, one could take his two quotes from the NT (mentioned above) as anti-war and anti-violence commentary. There's very few times in which Jesus actually spoke about govt and nations in the Bible. He spoke more about personal everyday lives of people -- not whether or not govts should go to war. as a result, I think Jesus was more silent about the subject of war than he was vocal, which lends itself, I think, back to how the OT viewed war. so if you want to answer that question, you have to find out how the Jews felt about war 2000 years ago.
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| 6. Friday, June 6, 2008 2:17 PM |
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Well, the closest thing to Jesus I think we have today is, arguably the Dalai Lama, who believes in self-defense. He's said something like, if your life is in danger, it is proper to eliminate that threat, though in any other case violence is unacceptable. As far as this war goes, terrorists bombed the Trade towers. That is a major threat to the lives of American civilians. Our military is taking the necessary precautions to eliminate that threat.
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| 7. Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:30 PM |
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QUOTE:Well, the closest thing to Jesus I think we have today is, arguably the Dalai Lama, who believes in self-defense. He's said something like, if your life is in danger, it is proper to eliminate that threat, though in any other case violence is unacceptable. As far as this war goes, terrorists bombed the Trade towers. That is a major threat to the lives of American civilians. Our military is taking the necessary precautions to eliminate that threat.
| Welll, yeah, uh, no, kinda... Independent terrorists, not connected to the Iraqi government perpetrated 9/11. Bush used this bit of paranoia as a pretext to invade them. Turning lemons into lemonade, he got his wish to control their oil & get vengeance upon his dad's arch enemy. AND make himself look tough!!! At the cost of billions of dollars & thousands of lives, but ehhh... There were NO WMDs, & bin Laden is still unapprehended & gas is $4.25 a gallon!!! Uh, back to you, Jesus.... Jesus?
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| 8. Saturday, June 7, 2008 1:56 PM |
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Here is kind of my view on it. Even though I don't understand it, LOL. I think some people are called to war, but that God would rather not have war. Because of people's free will it is sometimes necessary. People seem to blame God for everything. But we have a part to play as well. I support our troops and our military. But I also think that it is God's desire for people to transform not only people but entire nations, by living by the teachings of Jesus. Like just don't look at the teachings of Jesus, but the spirit behind the teachings and how much better your life would be. Like if you forgive, your life is much better than holding a grudge against someone, if you are not angry with people, it is much better than if you are etc... In fact some of these things can bring sickness in your life. But I also believe that Jesus is a person that is still alive today, that you can have a relationship. In fact I was in the streets last night and some people met him for the first time :) Anyway, I hope I did a good job of explaining this.
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| 9. Saturday, June 7, 2008 4:03 PM |
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Simply put: War is bad, Murder is bad, Religion is bad. I've been witness to all three and have decided that none of them have any redeeming quality.
"The only thing that Columbus discovered was that he was lost"
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| 10. Saturday, June 7, 2008 5:11 PM |
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Well, maybe you should meet Jesus, LOL. Because he didn't seem to like religion too much either.
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| 11. Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:00 PM |
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Actually I met him once, He's Korean and didn't understand what all the fuss was about.
"The only thing that Columbus discovered was that he was lost"
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| 12. Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:47 PM |
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QUOTE:QUOTE:Well, the closest thing to Jesus I think we have today is, arguably the Dalai Lama, who believes in self-defense. He's said something like, if your life is in danger, it is proper to eliminate that threat, though in any other case violence is unacceptable. As far as this war goes, terrorists bombed the Trade towers. That is a major threat to the lives of American civilians. Our military is taking the necessary precautions to eliminate that threat.
| Welll, yeah, uh, no, kinda... Independent terrorists, not connected to the Iraqi government perpetrated 9/11. Bush used this bit of paranoia as a pretext to invade them. Turning lemons into lemonade, he got his wish to control their oil & get vengeance upon his dad's arch enemy. AND make himself look tough!!! At the cost of billions of dollars & thousands of lives, but ehhh... There were NO WMDs, & bin Laden is still unapprehended & gas is $4.25 a gallon!!! Uh, back to you, Jesus.... Jesus? |
You've been watching too much Michael Moore. Bush thought Afghanistan was the site of the terrorists, at Osama's base. But Afghanistan was too remote a locale, lacking the wealth and resources to execute the plan. So we went to Iraq and Iran. "Weapons of Mass Destruction" was a distraction, trumped up intel, because it was too hard to explain to the sheeple that we were tracking $ and means. The terrorists turned tail and headed back to the resources. So we started a war there. We've lost more soldiers in D-Day (drowning) or on any given day in WWII than we have lost in this entire campaign. We fucked up the first time we were in the Mid East because we backed out. and they were able to rebuild, similar to the way unfinished business in WWI was the seed for WWII. Bush's was an appropriate response, and it's not over til it's over. Sad but true.
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