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After Leland dies, it seems that BOB leaves Leland's body.  Then, we see what seems like an "owl's view" perspective of BOB flying away.

Later, when Cooper and Major Briggs are camping and Briggs is abducted, we see the same "owl's view" perspective.  If Briggs is taken to the White Lodge, why does it seem the abductor is an evil force like BOB?

Gray

Why would it have to be an evil force instead of just a force?

I suppose you could be right.  Maybe I'm getting caught up in an oversimplistic dichotomy, but the images and sounds sure do evoke a sense that it's not a "fluffy little bunnies" positive force.  ;)

Gray 

i think it's important to remember that the white lodge/black lodge division is an invention of hawk's people. the TP entities are what they are

The throne, the bright light, the robed figure, for me are symbology from the world of white magick rather than black.  But it is definitely a powerful force, not of the fluffy-bunny variety, deserving of an intense mood.

The throne, the bright light, the robed figure, for me are symbology from the world of white magick rather than black.  But it is definitely a powerful force, not of the fluffy-bunny variety, deserving of an intense mood.

Is Briggsy sitting in the siege perilous or am I the only one that thinks that?

Interesting, Rigpa.  But that gets back to my initial question.  If that's the case, why the parallel imagery from when BOB leaves Leland's body?

 gray

The throne, the bright light, the robed figure, for me are symbology from the world of white magick rather than black.  But it is definitely a powerful force, not of the fluffy-bunny variety, deserving of an intense mood.

 

Well, the light and the dark are two sides of the same coin.  Perhaps the parallel imagery is showing that we are dealing with opposite expressions of one force.

Is Briggsy sitting in the siege perilous or am I the only one that thinks that?

Interesting thought, but unless Briggsy has found the Holy Grail, isn't sitting in the siege perilous supposed to be fatal?

I see what you mean.  I guess my problem with the notion of the TP forces as morally neutral is that a) the presentation of those forces plays with our emotions to evoke fear or calm, undercutting that neutrality and b) such an approach seems to invalidate the work that Cooper, Harry, Hawk, Major Briggs, etc are doing.

gray

Well, the light and the dark are two sides of the same coin.  Perhaps the parallel imagery is showing that we are dealing with opposite expressions of one force.

 

Is Briggsy sitting in the siege perilous or am I the only one that thinks that?

Interesting thought, but unless Briggsy has found the Holy Grail, isn't sitting in the siege perilous supposed to be fatal?Different Glastonbury, different siege.
It would just mean he's special, or chosen.

Is Briggsy sitting in the siege perilous or am I the only one that thinks that?

Interesting thought, but unless Briggsy has found the Holy Grail, isn't sitting in the siege perilous supposed to be fatal?Different Glastonbury, different siege.
It would just mean he's special, or chosen.

I went back and rewatched the scenes dealing with Briggs' disappearance, and found some interesting connections.  I had forgotten about those 3 triangles that come spinning out of the starry night sky, and are burnt into Briggs' skin behind his ear.  In ceremonial magick, a triangle is used to evoke a spirit to visible appearance on the plane of matter.  In the Qabala, the third sphere on the Tree of Life is called Binah.  On the ascent up the Tree, Binah is the first sphere one encounters across the Abyss (the gulf between the potential world and the actual world).  Binah is attributed to spiritual awareness and love (love opens the way to the White Lodge).  Associated with Binah is the magickal cup (Holy Grail) into which the Adept who crosses the Abyss must drain every last drop of his blood (symbolically, in order to cross the Abyss everything has to be given up).  The Adept who achieves this crossing is said to be in the "City of Pyramids".  The Adept is sometimes symbolically represented as a gardener.  The garden he must tend is all the connections with the world the Adept has left behind.  

So, Briggs sees the cloaked figure (spirit from the White Lodge) in the woods (plane of matter).  It guides him across the Abyss, into the City of Pyramids (3 triangles).  We see him seated on a throne (Siege Perilous? Chosen One/Adept/Holy Grail) entwined with vines, in the middle of a garden!  

I'm not suggesting that Lynch knew any of this consciously, but it does seem to tap into a collective unconscious of symbol systems.  

On a side note, when Briggs first returns, he seems to drop from out of nowhere into his living room. Then, a couple of episodes later, when he is recounting what happened to Cooper and Harry, he says he remembers walking away from the flames, then nothing until he found himself next to the cold firepit in the woods.  Contradiction, or are we to assume he walked from there to his house?

I'm not suggesting that Lynch knew any of this consciously, but it does seem to tap into a collective unconscious of symbol systems.

Was Lynch even involved with that episode?

I'm not suggesting that Lynch knew any of this consciously, but it does seem to tap into a collective unconscious of symbol systems.

Was Lynch even involved with that episode?

 That was when the lesser known Season 2 writers were ramping up the suspenseful Little Nicky/James and Evelyn noir subplots that would capatult the show into American Idol -type popularity.

I'm not suggesting that Lynch knew any of this consciously, but it does seem to tap into a collective unconscious of symbol systems.

Was Lynch even involved with that episode?

 That was when the lesser known Season 2 writers were ramping up the suspenseful Little Nicky/James and Evelyn noir subplots that would capatult the show into American Idol -type popularity.Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

are there any elements beyond season one that you like?

Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

are there any elements beyond season one that you like?

 Booth is one of those Season One Snobs.

Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

are there any elements beyond season one that you like

Nope, the show didn't recover after the deviation from the original plan. Just have the central mystery solved, slap some backwards footage from the pilot with Cooper reversing out of Twin Peaks, and end it there. That's good television.

Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

are there any elements beyond season one that you like

Nope, the show didn't recover after the deviation from the original plan. Just have the central mystery solved, slap some backwards footage from the pilot with Cooper reversing out of Twin Peaks, and end it there. That's good television.
I almost spit my Coke out.
 

Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

are there any elements beyond season one that you like?

 Booth is one of those Season One Snobs.
 i'm not one of them but it's a pretty valid POV

It's not so much a season 1 and season 2 thing as much as a first and second half thing.

Add the black lodge and windom earle to that. I know I'm in the minority there.

are there any elements beyond season one that you like?

 Booth is one of those Season One Snobs.
 i'm not one of them but it's a pretty valid POV
 The first part of Season 2 (up thru the Maddy murder) was just as good as Season 1 (hell, you could even argue up thru the Leland death scene), before it spiraled out of control due to neglect up until the series finale redeemed it.

 
 The first part of Season 2 (up thru the Maddy murder) was just as good as Season 1 (hell, you could even argue up thru the Leland death scene), before it spiraled out of control due to neglect up until the series finale redeemed it.

 i used to feel this way, but i think there's just some essential element missing from season 2 right from the beginning. when that hick stands up and screams "hot DAMN that's some good pie!" i always cringe, it's like a giant fat turd labeled "WELCOME TO SEASON TWO, WE'RE NOT TRYING AS HARD."

 
 The first part of Season 2 (up thru the Maddy murder) was just as good as Season 1 (hell, you could even argue up thru the Leland death scene), before it spiraled out of control due to neglect up until the series finale redeemed it.

 i used to feel this way, but i think there's just some essential element missing from season 2 right from the beginning. when that hick stands up and screams "hot DAMN that's some good pie!" i always cringe, it's like a giant fat turd labeled "WELCOME TO SEASON TWO, WE'RE NOT TRYING AS HARD." Well the coffee and pie element is one of the most overrated in the whole show anyway.
Could be because I don't like either one.

Well to be fair the coffee and pie element is one of the most overrated in the whole show.
Could be because I don't like either one.

 there's a certain level of catchphraseology that lets you identify yourself as a "fan" without really having something to say. there are people who genuinely like hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, and then there are shithead who've read the book or whatever and every time it comes up in conversation they go "42! 42!!!! right guys? lol!!!!!" the twin peaks version of that is definitely "coffee and pie lolzzzzzzz"