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| 1. Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:07 PM |
| nuart |
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...keep an eye out for any of these fine looking fellas at your boarding gate. I'm not suggesting "profiling" but would you really want to fly with any of these guys???? Well, maybe I am suggesting profiling. Phew! Sure would be interesting to hear what the ever so principled UN thinks about this. Susan
Interpol has issued a global security alert over the escape of more than a dozen convicted Al Qaeda militants who escaped from a jail in Yemen through a tunnel that reportedly led to a mosque.
Yemen is refusing a US interrogation request. More than 100 people are being detained in connection with the escape. Among the prisoners now on the lam: Jaber Elbaneh, 39, a U.S. citizen accused of training with the "Lackawanna Six."
Some Yemenis are cheering the fugitives as heroes. The New York Times reports: "Are they seen as heroes here? Certainly," said Muhammad al-Saderi, a leader in Yemen's opposition Nasserist party. "The 23 came from all over the country, and the way it looks to many is that the government isn't just facing off with a few extremist groups, it's facing off with the whole country."
A nationwide manhunt continued Wednesday as the Yemeni government offered a $25,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the 13 people suspected of being operatives of Al Qaeda among the escapees. Side streets leading to the prison remained blocked off, while security men patrolled in and around the mosque where the men emerged.
Yemeni security agents set up checkpoints within this densely packed city and on roads leading out, while United States warships patrolled the Yemeni shores. Diplomatic and security officials said the men were likely either to sneak across the border with Saudi Arabia into the unforgiving "Empty Quarter" or to take to the sea along human trafficking routes that run across the Gulf of Aden to Somalia.
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 2. Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:31 PM |
| Raymond |
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How would you like another 500 more fellas like the above released from Guantanamo? I gather that is what some would like to see happen ?
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| 3. Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:03 PM |
| wowBOBwow |
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Yep, 'cause everyone knows all those guys being held at Gitmo have similar skin pigments, hair color and mustaches as these CONFIRMED terrorists, so they must be just the same. Now, stay with me here, 'cause I have a revolutionary idea that's gonna knock your socks off! If we are truly worried about any of these prisoners at Gitmo we can actually CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME!! Last time I checked, that's how we do it here with our civilian courts, and it's widely been shown to be the most fair and beneficial system. You either have enough to charge them, or you let them go. I would rather live in a little bit more dangerous world than compromise my principles of what is right and fair everytime someone tells me a scary campfire story about what the bad man might do. It's time to buck up and accept this danger as one of the steeper costs of freedom. That's my $1.05's worth.
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| 4. Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:06 PM |
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I agree. These guys are confirmed, those in Gitmo need to be charged if there is enough evidence. There are international laws at play here too which haven't been followed. I know that I wouldn't want my loved ones locked up without the proper evidence.
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| 5. Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM |
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Well yeah, I wouldn't want my loved ones blown up by one of those cats due to a lack of detention. Weren't those Guantanamo people picked up off the battlefield as combatants?
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| 6. Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:09 PM |
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I think we kind of need to acknowledge that none of us know much of anything about the majority of the prisoners in Guantanamo. We don't really know where they were picked up, we don't really know what's happening to them there, and we won't know why they were convicted if they ever do actually become convicted. It's a black hole, information-wise. And on the topic of information, I'd be interested to know where the rogues in the above gallery were convicted, of what, and by whom. (Though obviously not interested enough to Google it myself...)

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| 7. Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:06 PM |
| x-ray |
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Amen Dave, Amen... | QUOTE:Yep, 'cause everyone knows all those guys being held at Gitmo have similar skin pigments, hair color and mustaches as these CONFIRMED terrorists, so they must be just the same. Now, stay with me here, 'cause I have a revolutionary idea that's gonna knock your socks off! If we are truly worried about any of these prisoners at Gitmo we can actually CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME!! Last time I checked, that's how we do it here with our civilian courts, and it's widely been shown to be the most fair and beneficial system. You either have enough to charge them, or you let them go. I would rather live in a little bit more dangerous world than compromise my principles of what is right and fair everytime someone tells me a scary campfire story about what the bad man might do. It's time to buck up and accept this danger as one of the steeper costs of freedom. That's my $1.05's worth. |
Maybe we don't know much about the type of detainees held at Guantanamo, but this guy should have a better idea seeing as he used to work there:
Soldier lifts lid on Guantanamo 'abuse' By Matthew Davis BBC News, Washington | A former US soldier who worked on interrogations at Guantanamo Bay has written a damning expose of the brutal, degrading treatment he says was meted out to prisoners there. Sgt Erik Saar's book, Inside the Wire, comes with the US military's treatment of prisoners in the spotlight due to court hearings over the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. In an interview with the BBC, Sgt Saar says that bizarre, sexual abuses at the prison camp set dangerous precedents that paved the way for mistreatment of US detainees in Iraq. And the former translator argues that despite attempts to right wrongs at Guantanamo, the camp still defiles the values the US is fighting for in the war on terror. 'Does that please Allah?' One of the most disturbing interrogations Sgt Saar says he saw in his six months at the prison concerned a female interrogator trying to break a Saudi detainee, captured after enrolling in a US flight school. (enemy combatant???)
| 'Brooke' came back round his other side, and he could see that she was beginning to withdraw her hand from her pants. As it became visible, the Saudi saw what looked like red blood on her hand Erik Saar 'Inside the Wire' | He tells how she began peeling off her clothes, taunting the man sexually in an attempt to shame him and stop him relying on his faith for support. She left the interrogation room, Sgt Saar says, and found a red marker pen. "'Brooke' came back round his [the prisoner's] other side, and he could see that she was beginning to withdraw her hand from her pants," said Sgt Saar. "As it became visible, the Saudi saw what looked like red blood on her hand." When the interrogator wiped what he thought was menstrual blood on his face, the prisoner raged, almost breaking free from his handcuffs. But "Brooke" taunted him further, said Erik Saar, asking whether Allah would be pleased with him and telling him to have fun trying to pray. Finally the detainee was returned to his cell without water, leaving him unable to cleanse himself. 'Start of a mistake' Sgt Saar volunteered for Guantanamo in 2002. He was a US Army linguist, an expert in Arabic and had high security clearance.
But he says what he saw completely changed his attitude towards the camp, and his country. There were many more suicide attempts in the camp than the US government has ever admitted, Sgt Saar says. He claims storm trooper-like IRF (initial reaction force) teams were involved in numerous beatings of captives. And of the 600 or so prisoners there, no more than a few dozen were "hardcore terrorists", says Erik Saar. "The US Government portrays Guantanamo as a place where we are sending the worst of the worst, but this is not true. "Guantanamo was the beginning of a mistake. It set a precedent in labelling people as enemy combatants, blurring the line between right and wrong. "You can see it as the seed that may well have led to the naked human pyramids in Abu Ghraib." FBI memos In December 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union released a slew of material relating to prisoner abuse, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act.
| Source: American Civil Liberties Union Most computers will open PDF documents automatically, but you may need to download Adobe Acrobat Reader. | This included an FBI email - from December 2003, six months after Sgt Saar left - that said Defense Department interrogators at Guantanamo had impersonated FBI agents while using "torture techniques" on a detainee. US Southern Command told the BBC it was investigating alleged detainee abuse following the publication of the FBI memos. But USSC says it will not comment on any abuse allegations until the inquiry report is published. Officials also deny allegations in Erik Saar's book that interrogations at Guantanamo were "staged" for visiting inspectors. A spokesman told the BBC that Mr Saar was merely a junior linguist, "not in a position to understand the decisions behind interrogation planning". 'Whitewash' The US Army is addressing the issue of how to treat a prisoner humanely, while still applying the pressure needed to get them to reveal critical information. It is poised to issue a new field interrogation manual, which will expressly forbid certain harsh techniques and include detailed examples with references to the Geneva Conventions. Throwing a chair against a wall in a fit of mock anger may be permissible, for instance, but using the chair to hit the detainee would not. In March, a Pentagon investigation into the interrogation of prisoners detained in the war on terror found its policy did not lead to abuse. The review - launched last year - examined 187 Pentagon investigations of alleged abuse in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. Human rights groups criticised the review as a whitewash. Sgt Saar believes improvements have been made at the camp, but says more radical change is needed, to bring prisoners within the US judicial system. "People say if what I have written is the worst that went on, it is not too bad," he says. "But Guantanamo has become a symbol of everything wrong with America's image. If we are trying to build a bridge to the Muslim world, what sort of face are we portraying?" Inside the Wire by Erik Saar and Viveca Novak is published in the United States by The Penguin Press. Story from BBC NEWS:
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| 8. Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:58 PM |
| nuart |
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These fellers were not at Gitmo. There is a separate Gitmo thread. These guys were escaped from their Yemeni prison, remember?
I read the book you mention, Ray. It's not as cut and dry and reductive as the objective, unbiased BBC article would suggest. It's always problematic when something longer than a page or two is discussed with the goal to prove a predetermined point. Why it's almost akin to the UN Report on Gitmo. But there is a Gitmo thread. Did I mention that already? Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 9. Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:46 PM |
| x-ray |
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Ok ok I get the message! I'll go post on the G'bay thread. Yours, predeterminedly... R 
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