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| 1. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:25 PM |
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http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1894394,00.html Crazy news- longtime GOP senator Arlen Specter of PA leaves the republican party for the democrats. If Norm Coleman stops being a douchebag and Franken gets seated, then the Dems will have their 60. Although at least some are arguing this isn't much of a change in the status quo http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/specters-switch-more-insult-than-injury.html Opinion seems to be that Spector did this because a) he probably would have lost the GOP primary in '10, b) will be the democratic nominee in '10, and c) has been uncomfortable with the idealogical shift to the right in the republican party. Spector says: "I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," Specter said in his statement. "I have not represented the Republican Party. I have represented the people of Pennsylvania."
One could argue this is not a good long-term development for the left, since they could probably have gotten someone much more left-leaning in that spot in '10 had Spector stayed GOP. I'd be surprised if he changed his mind on the Employee Free Choice Act, for example. However, if it helps with some of the procedural things in the senate to have one fewer GOP vote, maybe it will make things easier.
You've got to love how G.O.P. chairman Michael Steele calls Specter's voting record "left-wing" for voting with the dems a whopping 40% of the time.
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| 2. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:02 PM |
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not surprised. Specter and many of the other RHINOs should've moved to the Dem party long time ago. Of course, with Franken just a few hundred votes away from winning the Minnesota Senate race, we can probably expect the Dems to take 60 senates. GOP deserve it for their ineptness the last 10 years. Sadly, the country will pay for it in the long run now that there's nothing stopping the Dems from ramrodding stupid legislation through the Congress.
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| 3. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:06 PM |
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Since socialism has now been forced upon us by the so called enlightened one, we will be a lesser world power in the near future and eventually a third world country.
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 4. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:23 PM |
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| QUOTE: not surprised. Specter and many of the other RHINOs should've moved to the Dem party long time ago. Of course, with Franken just a few hundred votes away from winning the Minnesota Senate race, we can probably expect the Dems to take 60 senates. GOP deserve it for their ineptness the last 10 years. Sadly, the country will pay for it in the long run now that there's nothing stopping the Dems from ramrodding stupid legislation through the Congress.
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the dems are center-right enough that exactly nothing very interesting would happen, even if they did have a filibuster-proof majority. i mean, they'll do some stupid shit, but they wont tie-dye your clothes or make pot legal or anything.
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| 5. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:27 PM |
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| QUOTE:Since socialism has now been forced upon us by the so called enlightened one, we will be a lesser world power in the near future and eventually a third world country. |
lots of people who don't understand what socialism is are posting in this forum
i'm looking forward to the sun setting on the american empire. lots of former world powers just seem so chill and laid back these days. i'd love for us to be as relaxed as germany or something. of course, the second our ecenomy deteriorates to the point that people can't buy stupid shit like snuggies and shamwows, it'll be riots in the streets. fat, waddling riots in the streets.
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| 6. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:34 PM |
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QUOTE: | QUOTE:Since socialism has now been forced upon us by the so called enlightened one, we will be a lesser world power in the near future and eventually a third world country. |
lots of people who don't understand what socialism is are posting in this forum
i'm looking forward to the sun setting on the american empire. lots of former world powers just seem so chill and laid back these days. i'd love for us to be as relaxed as germany or something. of course, the second our ecenomy deteriorates to the point that people can't buy stupid shit like snuggies and shamwows, it'll be riots in the streets. fat, waddling riots in the streets. |
As long as our leaders and media brainwash the sheeple into denouncing American values, we will be able to head in the right direction for sure. Blah blah blah, I'm smarter than you, blah blah blah I'm angry, you're dumb blah blah you are not as progressive as I am blah blah blah LISTEN TO ME! I WILL CHANGE YOU!
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 7. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:47 PM |
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| QUOTE: Blah blah blah, I'm smarter than you, blah blah blah I'm angry, you're dumb blah blah you are not as progressive as I am blah blah blah LISTEN TO ME! I WILL CHANGE YOU! |
things that assholes hate: smarts, and compassion. i'm going to die with a lot of regrets but "i wish i'd called more ignorant motherfuckers out on their shit" isn't going to be one of them.
| QUOTE: As long as our leaders and media brainwash the sheeple into denouncing American values, we will be able to head in the right direction for sure. |
lol american values
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| 8. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:52 PM |
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You took the bait. I love you, 'Fudders.
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 9. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:57 PM |
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QUOTE: You took the bait. I love you, 'Fudders. |
it can be pretty hard to tell the difference between actual right-wing talking points and comedy
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| 10. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:37 PM |
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Pendulums do what they do. Swing. Arlen "Single Bullet" Specter has never been a friend o' mine dating back to his defense attorney days when he allowed Ira Einhorn to go free on bail for the murder of his girlfriend. Only after several years in exile in France was he found out and returned to PA. I heard an interesting thing today about American values, which happens to be the country where I reside and the one I care about most. Our coins reflect the three core values -- 1. E pluribus unum 2. Liberty 3. In God we trust
Notice egalite, fraternitie and compassion are missing from the mix. Rolling with the well deserved punches the Republican party is suffering with the current leftward swing.
Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 11. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:07 PM |
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"don't beat your slaves so much, and your women neither" just wasn't as catchy...
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| 12. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:56 PM |
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yes, but those 2 or 3 parameters allowed the old (new at the time ) Republicans to address slavery at the price of an ugly civil war and eventually the parameters allowed the women their votes. Did woman always vote in Europe ? Asia, Africa or Antarctica, no not Antactica, Rome, Hellenic Greece, Equipt, The Mayans, the Goulag, Geisha society?
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| 13. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:26 PM |
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Not sure of your point, newraymond. Are you agreeing that we are a country of at least egalite and fraternite, or are you saying are core values are not exclusively defined by what's on our money, but instead by, say, the "all men are created equal" line in the Declaration of Independence? The "E Pluribus Unum" was meant to acknowledge the joining of the states, although it sounds like commie talk if you think of it on an individual level.
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| 14. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:39 PM |
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| QUOTE:core values are not exclusively defined by what's on our money |

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| 15. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:49 PM |
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| QUOTE:lots of people who don't understand what socialism is are posting in this forum |
| QUOTE (Raymond, on another thread): FWIW : Norman Thomas, the Socialist nominee for president several times in the 1930s and 40s said the following: ( Norman while a Socialist, was respected by and known as a neighbor and good friend of my Republican parents back in the day.) "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
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| 16. Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:21 PM |
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QUOTE: | QUOTE:lots of people who don't understand what socialism is are posting in this forum |
| QUOTE (Raymond, on another thread): FWIW : Norman Thomas, the Socialist nominee for president several times in the 1930s and 40s said the following: ( Norman while a Socialist, was respected by and known as a neighbor and good friend of my Republican parents back in the day.) "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
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wow, a 75 year old quote that's totally relevant to today's political situation!
we're still not even remotely socialist compared to oh i don't know all of europe american values: manifest destiny, indian genocide, racism, being the only country to use nukes on an enemy. american ideals: all that liberal crap about equality
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| 17. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:06 AM |
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It's enlightening to know the true beliefs of Americans about America. Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 18. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:22 AM |
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america is marlon brando as stanley kowalski-- "he's bad boy but i'm sure if he met me, I could change him and he's just so hot...sigh....." *ignores the fact he's a rapist and a monster*
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| 19. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31 AM |
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| QUOTE: america is marlon brando as stanley kowalski-- "he's bad boy but i'm sure if he met me, I could change him and he's just so hot...sigh....." *ignores the fact he's a rapist and a monster* | Patriotism, or Stockholm Syndrome?
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| 20. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:52 AM |
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| QUOTE: It's enlightening to know the true beliefs of Americans about America. Susan
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“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 21. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:01 AM |
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I'm not worried about Dems ramrodding weed legalization and other liberal beliefs. I am more concerned with some of what we have seen over the last 100 days when it comes to passing this stimulus bill and the budget bills. No longer do Dems have to worry about the GOP stopping them from doing some stupid things.
That being said, I don't like ANY party having 60% majority in either house. It gives a party too much control and that's when stupid things happen.
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| 22. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:32 AM |
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| QUOTE:I'm not worried about Dems ramrodding weed legalization and other liberal beliefs. I am more concerned with some of what we have seen over the last 100 days when it comes to passing this stimulus bill and the budget bills. No longer do Dems have to worry about the GOP stopping them from doing some stupid things. That being said, I don't like ANY party having 60% majority in either house. It gives a party too much control and that's when stupid things happen. |
it's true, we're in the shits now because of the GOP majority earlier in the decade, and a dem majority will not fix it. our woefully 2-party system works best when there's a good balance.
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| 23. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:12 PM |
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Speaking of Communists...

“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 24. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:18 PM |
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I LOVE it! I'm so stealing that, Susan. Beeyotiful.
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| 25. Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:19 PM |
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How did you get an x-ray of Nefud's melon?
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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