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| 1. Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:59 PM |
| Raymond |
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Check out the progress on this area outside erbil. www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001055.html
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| 2. Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:30 PM |
| wowBOBwow |
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Oh come on, let's be honest here, we don't give crap one about the Kurds and their imagined emerald city. While we wish them well, we don't care about the plight of the Kurds, Iraqis or anybody in that country enough to legitamize our financial and mortal losses. I am so sick of this kind of fake concern for the Iraqi people, which we coincidentally didn't start feeling until so backed into a corner that it became the only politically advantageous angle to play. No WMD's, huh? You sure?! Damn, well I guess we have to love the people then! This is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel, trying to find a rainbow through the ignored smoke of an IED, and big surprise, I ain't buying it.
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| 3. Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:13 PM |
| Raymond |
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Actually, I do care about the Kurds. And you will never see this building project on the regular news. The IED smoke is not ignored, you will see that on the news. Bob you are all concerned about the Gitmo prisoners and yet can't muster up concern for the Kurds after 30 some years under Saddam? The city is real not imaginary.
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| 4. Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:17 PM |
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See, the thing is, I do wish the peaceful Kurds and the Iraqi's and really all peaceful people of the world the best in life, but all the current trying to decietfully expand that concept as an excuse to justify our presence riles me up big time. Concern for the people is not why we are there, it never was, it's just not enough to justify our meddling or our losses. Maybe you care deeply about the Kurds, if that is truly the case then I apologize. I myself only care so far as to wish them the best and stay the hell out of their affairs, and I would stick to this no matter what the outcome of our efforts. It just seems to be the fun new thing on the right and to a lesser extent the left to be all weepy and compassionate towards these people these days, it's just a bunch of disingenuous political wrangling masking itself as true compassion, and that phony mask just sickens me, and is particularly ridiculous and ill-fitting on the conservatives. I don't really care anymore than this for the Gitmo detainees either, I only really care because I feel they are being wronged by being detained for so long without charges, and my country is doing that to them. If we hadn't invaded Iraq and completely shattered their government, I wouldn't feel obligated or care much at all. We have seniors, and poor people, and people without healthcare in THIS country, Americans, whose lives we are supposed to value above all else, that I would like to worry about first. But hey, you know, yay Kurds!
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| 5. Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:57 PM |
| Raymond |
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O K. Fair enough. Decent reply, explaining how you think and feel. That's a deep and wide inditement of conservatives, but I suppose my take on liberals is equally deep and wide. So, have a good one Bob.
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| 6. Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:45 PM |
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Oh, I'm not sure I'd go that far out on a limb, Raymond. But I've already posted a piece with similar sentiments over on the Poor Prisoners of Gitmo thread, where I urge those who, while quite neutral about Kurds, are passionate about the tortured boys in orange, to rethink their priorities. Hope springs eternal.  Well, as usual, I see this a bit differently. The world is one big village these days. Cartoons in a Danish newspaper hitherto unknown by Americans causes rioting, arson, murder and death threats not only to our allies, the Danes, but -- alas! -- to the US as well. Until it is understood that a thriving community of Kurds is preferable to a warring community of Kurds and Turks and Shiites and Sunnis (oh my) -- and that, yes, it does make a difference with each incremental success in the Middle East -- we are kidding ourselves into believing we could conceivably return to a September 10th world of greater isolationism. Please get out of the new road if you can't lend a hand cuz the time's... Now you may feel the upheaval and any proliferation of terrorists are all a result of the US war in Iraq. Others of us see the invasion of Saddam's Iraq as a lancing of a festering pus-filled boil. Pre-emptively too, as it were. If you think that the Jihadists of the "Whole International World", as the late Yassir Arafat used to say, were going to be placated after the brief orgasm of watching Twin Towers fall and replicating the image on their cell phone screens, I say Capital Tee Capital Hee. It was a long time coming and it appears to be a long time before the dawn. And if you think simply hanging around Tora Bora until we captured Bin Laden would have put the genie back in the bottle, I repeat my chuckle. A simple chronology of Islamist terrorism since Sirhan Sirhan assassinated RFK should lay that notion to rest.
A feather may fall at the same rate of speed as a camel but they do not have the same weight. Old Arabic saying.
Susan PS GO KURDS! Although I'm unlikely to ever visit your Emerald City.
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 7. Friday, February 17, 2006 6:00 AM |
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Caring or not about the Kurds is one thing. But the fact that they are able to do this and are now working toward doing this suggests (but does not prove) one important possibility - Iraq is NOT some messy quagmire because if it were, there's no reason nor no time for the Kurds to take this project on. This project IMHO flies in the face of the "Iraq is a quagmire" argument. But then again, if we only hear about hte bad stuff on the news (except for this week due to Birdshot-Gate), then who would know that the Kurds are actaully working to improve their own life (something the Palestinians haven't yet figured out).
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