"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

no no see it's cool that i hate homos, i have intellectual giants like miss california backing me up!

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

QUOTE:Won't someone please think of the poor oppressed white christian heterosexual?!

evil

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

Ohherewegoagain.

Personally I think that ubiquitous opinion A has little credibility while ubiquitous counter-opinion B makes soooo much more sense.  Maybe it's all in the delivery though.

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

hey, remember when you never addressed my points in the "hooray for gay" thread about biblical kings having multiple wives and the fact that the "5000 years of tradition" talking point is complete horseshit? good times. 
 

*uses big words* check

*talks "down" to someone* check

I WIN!  I AM RIGHT!  WOO HOO!  Now what do I win?  A stuffed bear?

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 *whimpers in fear at book-learnin*

*thinks of jethro bodine as the apex man should aspire to*

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2009/05/04/do-obama-and-miss-california-have-the-same-position-on-gay-marriage-sort-of.html

*some of the reader comments are hilarious

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

Since we're into brevity here, I'll address your gotcha on the biblical kings and their multiple wives. The vestigial views of a few patriarchs of that distant era did not generate the societal marriage norms that would evolve. Instead those few examples of polygamy among Jews, and later the Christians, died out over the subsequent millienia. 

I patiently await your historical presentation of that long since forgotten civilization of enlightened souls where men married men and women married women.  Those were the days....

Nefud, with your negative stereotyping of those who believe that marriage should be one-man-one-woman, you cast a huge chunk of the current and past populations -- including those you certainly still admire, despite their inability to grasp what is so glaringly clear to you -- under the so-called "gay hating" tent.  How can you be so mean?

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

this completely sidesteps my point. then again, you know that. you just don't actually have a real response to what i ACTUALLY said. no i'm going to follow your lead and just pick and choose what i want to address.
 

"how can you be so mean!??!" white america to malcom x, 20th century earth

Seriously, you need more clarification on the same old same old "Biblical kings"?  Why not ask a biblical scholar if that ONE point has you baffled. 

Geez, Nefud, you can be.... challenging.  

Okay, is this the central point you're going for?   

Q.   The Bible contains some Old Testament kings who had lots of wives.  So how can Susan say that there have been 5000 years of Judeo-Christian roots of monogamy???  HUH?  How can she?  Solomon, Abraham, etc.  (chuckle maniacally at the inherent contradiction of her lame argument)

A.   Because you do not guage societal norms by a handful of its earliest  progenies' behaviors.  You look to the accepted norms of the many.  It would be like judging Americans of the 21st century by the standards of... oh say, a handful of its Washington leadership.

And, as for the part of my short li'l post you ignored, you have not shown me the civilization you aspire to. Try as I might, I cannot for the life of me figure out how it took this many centuries and this many human beings and this many diverse civilizations to NOT come to the conclusions YOU have.  In your quietest private moments, does this not at least give you pause?

Listen, the subjects of marriage, polygamy vs. monogamy, homosexuality, the state and marriage are vast.  When I write lengthy posts, it is more often YOU that cherry pick a line that bugs you.  I try to answer you as specifically as I can but more often than not, the quips fly in return. 

It's most likely an impasse.  But then, I am a die hard and I cannot promise with any reasonable certainty that I won't continue to discuss.

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

my point is that you're taking a very specific population in a very specific region in a very specific timeframe, and declaring their practices to be some kind of universal truth that can't be denied. yet history shows a lot of examples of marriage taking other forms.

as for an example of my ideal society, no fooling it doesn't exist. that's why we're in the process of creating it. :)

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