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26. Monday, June 8, 2009 10:07 PM
Nefud RE: Marriage. Ever done that?


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QUOTE:  Marriage ain't no picnic in the park, like Fud suggested. Which is why opting for singlehood can be a viable move.

 for the record, i'd also say that while it's not as easy as the movies make it look, it's a hell of a lot easier than a lot of other "difficult" things in life. i don't recall my thesis paper cooking thai food for me, or my last algebra class surprising me with a 3 a.m. blowjob. there's a lot more unpleasant "hard" things in life.

 
27. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:36 AM
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QUOTE:Good stuff, Lynchman72.  I used to have an idealized view of marriage, but it has eroded over the years and I have reached the point where I believe there really isn't someone out there for everybody.  Like you mentioned, I'm not going to marry someone for the sake of being married, but my belief that there was someone out there so cool to spend the rest of my life with has faded away.  I don't want perfection, but I don't want to settle either.  Catch my drift?

 settling is underrated

 I am going to notify your wife you said this.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
28. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:53 AM
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you have have to hide any of your feelings/opinions from your spouse, you dun fucked up

 
29. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:49 AM
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Like marriage, which reigns in the violent sexual instinct and gives a purpose to the act that benefits society. 

I read this the other day in a book called The Alphabet Versus the Goddess (a book about how alphabetic literacy fundamentally rewired the human brain, to reinforce the brain's linear, masculine, left hemisphere at the expense of the right, holistic, visual, feminine hemisphere):

"A males' discovery that he could have heirs meant that he could wrest a small victory from death's maw by siring a child to whom he could pass on his name, wisdom, and weapons.  This made urgent his need to be certain a newborn was the result of his copulatory efforts.  A mother never has to doubt her kinship to her progeny:  her infants literally come from and through her.  A man, however, can never be completely sure. The male's heavy-handed solution was to demand virginity in his bride and absolute chastity in his wife thereafter.  Making babies, an unfettered and essentially joyous process in less time-aware animals, turned deadly serious for humans. Whether willingly or reluctantly, the female acquiesced to this restrictive arrangement.  In some ways it was in her interest, and that of her present or future children, to enjoy one man's loyalty.  The sex-for-meat exchange developed by earlier homininds now became considerably more complicated. The new social contract exchanged male fealty for female chastity, and eventually formed the basis of marriage.  A woman sacrificed her sexual freedom in exchange for aid, companionship, and perhaps, love.  A man pledged himself and his accumulated property to one woman and their combined issue in the expectation that the children she bore would be his. Chastity and fidelity became the two foundation stones underpinning all future patriarchies."  Leonard Shlain An interesting theory.  
 
I have experimented with many different forms of "marriage".  My first was an "open" marriage--for a year we included another woman and her two children in our marriage, until my husband became too conflicted over how we would present ourselves to society.  Our marriage ended when it became clear I did not want children and he did.  My second marriage was also an open one, which was fine when husband was having fun, but not when wife was.  I then lived for as many years as each marriage (7) with an artist, without the piece of paper.  It felt the same to me as the "legal" marriages. We were actually monogamous, but living with an artist became impossible. (Those who have tried it will know what I mean!) I have now been married for 11 years.  I swore I'd never get married again, but I met a wonderful man who wanted the piece of paper, and I wanted him so...I'm a Libra, what can I say?  Relationships are my spiritual practice.  Besides companionship, and help with daily life, being in relationship is one of the best ways to work on the ego, to rid oneself of judgements, blaming, defensiveness, to disidentify with the mind and mental positions.  I don't think you have to be "married" to do this, but living in close quarters day after day makes it an imperative.


"I'm talking about seeing beyond fear, Roger.  About looking at the world with love."
 
30. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:54 AM
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2 other disturbing things about marriage are when my guy friends get married, they disappear literally.  The wife keeps them on a short chain and never lets him out of the house.  Another is I've heard women don't like to hook up as much after marriage because they've already "got" you.  Why buy the cow when you can milk it for me?  I'm such a sensitive, caring guy.  Can't you see?


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
31. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:08 AM
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QUOTE:2 other disturbing things about marriage are when my guy friends get married, they disappear literally.
So would you say that when a man gets married he goes "poof"?

 
32. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:50 AM
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That was an interesting passage, Rigpa. Thanks for sharing.

I have a book called Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice for All Creation. It uses the animal kingdom to explain human sexual behavior in a funny way. She uses that same argument for why females of nearly all species are more promiscuous than males (and why males are more sexually possessive.)

 
33. Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:21 PM
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You are very welcome, 12rainbow.  Thanks for being interested. 


"I'm talking about seeing beyond fear, Roger.  About looking at the world with love."
 
34. Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:54 AM
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Damn this thread.  Last night I dreamed my boyfriend proposed, and my parents were thrilled (because they love him) and immediately my mother started planning the church and the bridesmaid's dresses and what I would wear.  And I went whoa, no. And woke up laughing my ass off.

 
35. Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:31 AM
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Haha, although that was just a dream 12, i'm having that experience right now. I proposed to Poppy in January, and already i'm being pushed into the background in favour of dresses, venues, what the bridesmaids are wearing, who's coming, what the food will be, etc. She says it's tough shit because it's "what a girl dreams of ever since she's little and it needs to be perfect!". Let's see how perfect it is when the fucking groom does a runner! lol

It would not surprise me one tiny bit if her and her Mum chose my best man for me, too.

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36. Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:32 AM
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I feel for you!!

the bit i'm looking forward to most in getting married ((IF I EVER DO)) would be arranging it with my partner!!

 
37. Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:29 AM
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I feel for you!!

the bit i'm looking forward to most in getting married ((IF I EVER DO)) would be arranging it with my partner!!


 i really really wanted to have a KISS-themed wedding. both of us in makeup, the best man and bridemades in costumes and makeup, marching down the aisle to one of KISS's many terrible buttrocky songs. all this just so that people would go "jeez, you guys are really into KISS" and i could say "KISS? nah, they're alright i guess. i'm really into Radiohead." and then just walk away.

come to think of it, my other pre-wedding comedy fantasy was getting gutshot in a bank robbery, lasting just long enough for the paramedics to get there, and gasping to them "tell....my wife and kids.....i love them." then i'd die, they'd go try to find my wife and kids, and i wouldn't have any! it'd be HILARIOUS!

this marriage is ruining all my best ideas.

 
38. Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:03 AM
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come to think of it, my other pre-wedding comedy fantasy was getting gutshot in a bank robbery, lasting just long enough for the paramedics to get there, and gasping to them "tell....my wife and kids.....i love them." then i'd die, they'd go try to find my wife and kids, and i wouldn't have any! it'd be HILARIOUS!

And then the paramedics would find your wife and kids but they would be the worst people in the world and you'd be left in a semi-vegetative state from your injuries, and your horrible wife and kids would take care of you for the rest of your awful 100+ year life.

Owl creek bridge is the best prank.

 
39. Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:06 AM
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Owl creek bridge is the best prank.

 this should be your signature, i love it

 
40. Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:38 AM
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Owl creek bridge is the best prank.

 this should be your signature, i love it

Feel free to use it if you want.

 
41. Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:06 AM
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it suits you better

 edit: damn i love my new avatar, makes friendly posts twice as courteous

 
42. Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:12 PM
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I suppose that I was an unusual bride.  My main concerns were- Where can I get the dress that Stephanie Seymor wore in the November Rain video and How many kegs will be at the reception.  I had one bridesmaid (my crazy sister) and walked down the aisle to Classic Girl by Jane's Addiction.  Sadly I never found the dress I wanted but I had a pretty one anyways.

J, the reason your friends disappear when they get married is because they are preoccupied with watching their wives' every move.  That was my experience with marriage anyhow.  My ex would get suspicious if I put on makeup.  It was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.

 
43. Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:20 PM
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J, the reason your friends disappear when they get married is because they are preoccupied with watching their wives' every move.  That was my experience with marriage anyhow.  My ex would get suspicious if I put on makeup.  It was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.

That would be a good reason to settle, because you don't really care enough to be jealous.

 
44. Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:22 PM
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J, the reason your friends disappear when they get married is because they are preoccupied with watching their wives' every move.  That was my experience with marriage anyhow.  My ex would get suspicious if I put on makeup.  It was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.

That would be a good reason to settle, because you don't really care enough to be jealous.
Lolz.  Dang it, May Ray, I've got Classic Girl stuck in my head.  My parents would spontaneously combust if I played a rock song during my wedding.  I'll have to settle for a stiff, uptight orchestra thingy.  :(
 


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
45. Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:36 PM
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That reminds me, she's down to two songs for our first dance. Either "Love Song" by The Cure, or "God Only Knows" by The Beach Boys. To be fair, i think out of all the songs that were originally considered, those two were my only suggestions.

 
46. Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:37 PM
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Oh, and "Meathook Sodomy" by Cannibal Corpse. But she didn't want that. *sighs*

I'm a hopeless romantic.

 
47. Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:03 PM
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I'm planning on doing several choreographed dance numbers from Grease that attendees will just magically know and perform alongside me.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
48. Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:09 PM
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Isn't "God Only Knows" the opening music to "Big Love"?  This makes it an awesome choice, especially if you can make off-hand comments like "Well, we have this place for another couple of hours, who's up next?"or "While I have you here, what does your schedule look like for next summer"

For me, I've been living in sin for so long that we're kind of past the normal window of when people get married.  Neither of us want kids, so we haven't felt like we had to do it right away.  I feel a lot of pressure to give her a good proposal story given how long we've been together, which is my current excuse for not having asked her already.

 
49. Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:28 PM
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November Rain! (just rewatched it.) Kind of a nip-waisted job with a sweetheart neckline and off shoulder puffed cap sleeves. (and a mini in front, oh my lord) Like it a lot.

In my dream, I wanted a snow white satin wiggle dress and my mother's pillbox hat veil, with my (black) hair in a twist. I just couldnt bear to think about any other aspect of the event. Likely how it would go down in reality, too!

 
50. Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:04 PM
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I think a pillbox hat would be so elegant.  Isn't it funny how women can always think of the perfect outfit?  My mom refused to let me get a white dress because I was not, in fact, a virgin.  I got the lightest cream colored dress I could find.  It was an ankle length column dress, off the shoulder with a v neckline, and had rosettes along the top.  Very beautiful.  Too bad I left it stored at my bitch mother in law's house.  Not that I could ever squeeze my ass into it again.

Perhaps I should have picked a red dress to represent what a hussy I was. lol

 

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