Hi All!

Sorry for my bad english.

I am a TP-fan from Russia and I have a question.
In Russia almost everybody translates "The Black/White Lodge" as "the black/white wigwam". I think this is wrong.

What does "a lodge" exactly mean in TP?
Does it mean "an inn" or it is strictly an indian concept?

Hi All!

What does "a lodge" exactly mean in TP?
Does it mean "an inn" or it is strictly an indian concept?

It just means something more like an inn or inhabitance. I don't think it has anything to do with a wigwam specifically. Just a translation error, I'd say.
 

I think certain Native American tribes build dwellings and other buildings that are known as lodges. I've heard of earthen lodges, which are built of wood and dirt. There are also sweat lodges, where you go in and breathe in the smoke from the fire built inside as a spiritual journey. The smoke is said to induce visions that can help provide answers to questions and solutions to problems.

Wigwams are a different thing. The translators were close, but no cigar.

Great question! It sometimes takes a non native English speaker to notice these things. Semantics and etymology fascinate me.

Remember, too, that the Martell's home is called The Blue Pine Lodge, and the hotel exterior used for the Great Northern is called the Salish Lodge and Spa, under tribal ownership.

I take a lodge, in the context of Twin Peaks, to be a structure people (or spirits, as it were) live in.

A "lodge" can also refer to a club or organization, a synechdoche or metonymy for the building they hold their meetings in. For instance, the Masons or the Moose Lodge. An "order" of men.

here is the etymology dictionary entry:

lodge (n.) Look up lodge at Dictionary.com 1231, from O.Fr. loge "arbor, covered walk" (Mod.Fr. "hut, cabin, lodge box at a theater"), from Frank. *laubja "shelter" (cognate with O.H.G. louba "porch, gallery," Ger. Laube "bower, arbor"), likely originally "shelter of foliage," from the root of leaf. "Hunter's cabin" sense is first recorded 1465. Sense of "local branch of a society" is first recorded 1686, from 14c. logge "workshop of masons." The verb is c.1225, "to stay in a lodge, to put someone up in a lodge," from O.Fr. logier, from loge. Sense of "to get a thing in the intended place, to make something stick" is from 1611.

A "lodge" can also refer to a club or organization, a synechdoche or metonymy for the building they hold their meetings in. For instance, the Masons or the Moose Lodge.

Hence the (secret) hand shakes.

Should "The Black Lodge" be cosidered only as an order?

P.s. I watch the show in english.

A lodge is a place where magic is performed. There are black, grey and white lodges throughout the world. The Freemasons headquarters is called a lodge and, supposedly, rituals are performed there by the higher-ups in the organization. Look up occult lodge on google and check out the results.

Aleister Crowley, a black magician from the early 20th century, ran a black lodge. Look up OTO and Thelema lodge on google.

In the spanish dubbing the Lodges were called "logias", Logia Blanca (White Lodge), Logia Negra (Black Lodge)... "Logia" translates to "Lodge", but only in the definition of local branch of a magical, masonic or similar society, never inn, cabin, etc.

Thanks all.

It can also mean to get something stuck somewhere. For instance, "Phil pissed me off earlier so i lodged his own stapler up his arse!"

The fabled white lodge, where John Holmes dwells.

As Hawk says, ""Local legend. The White Lodge is a place where the spirits that rule man and nature here reside. There is also a legend of a place called The Black Lodge: the shadow self of The White Lodge, a place of dark forces that pull on this world. A world of nightmares: shamans reduced to crying children; angry spirits pouring from the woods; graves opening like flowers."

I take it that Hawk was referring to a local Native American legend, and that he meant "lodge" in the Native American sense -- something like a spiritual wigwam or longhouse. But the "red room" we see looks more like some kind of surreal masonic ritual space. Like many things in Twin Peaks, "lodge" may have a double (or multiple) meaning.