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| 1. Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:41 PM |
| newraymond |
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Apartment residents told to take down U.S. flags ALBANY, Ore. - At the Oaks Apartments in Albany, the management can fly their own flag advertising one and two bedroom apartments - but residents have been told they can't fly any flags at all.
Jim Clausen flies the American flag from the back of his motorcycle. He has a son in the military heading back to Iraq, and the flag - he said - is his way of showing support.
"This flag stands for all those people," said Clausen, an Oaks Apartment resident. "It stands for the people that can no longer stand - who died in wars. That's why I fly this flag."
But to Oaks Apartment management, Clausen said, the American flag symbolizes problems.
He was told to remove the red, white and blue from both of his rides, or face eviction.
"It floored me," he said. "I can't believe she was saying what she was saying."
Even long-time residents like Sharron White, who has flown a flag on her car for eight years, has been told to take it down.
White said management told her that "someone might get offended."
"I just said to her 'They'll just have to get over it,'" White said.
Resident we talked to who had been approached to take down their flags all told us the same thing: that management told them the flags could be offensive because they live in a diverse community.
Attempts to find out for ourselves why management would ban flags were unsuccessful. KATU wanted to talk to management at Oaks Apartments, but no one has returned our calls. The woman we were told had made the decision said she was "not going to answer any questions."
The mother of one soldier fighting in Iraq put up a poster in her son's apartment window when she learned of the ban. Her son's roommate said he'll risk eviction to make sure it stays. Another Oaks Apartment resident, Judith Sherer, doesn't have a car. Instead she carries an American flag around the complex to protest the ban, and wonders if the flag pin she wears is next to be "singled out."
"If I put it on and I walk outside, what's going to happen?" Sherer muses. "Am I going to be confronted by a manager about this?"
We're told the ban includes sports flags and even flag stickers on cars. http://www.katu.com/news/local/64059697.html Any thoughts on this ? The Oak's Apartments' phone number 1-541-967-1284
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| 2. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:34 AM |
| newraymond |
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Well newraymond, first i think it was a bad business decision as far as losing old and not getting new tenants -who wants to live in a hotspot were there could be demonstrations or even vandalism to the complex. Also, it may make it difficult to find a buyer should the owner be doing that with occupancy rates taking a nosedive. the complex could be tarnished longterm and avoided by potential buyers. Also will there be legal problems concerning people not being allowed to have a flag or a decal of a flag on a car's bumper ? Can the complex being private property be allowed to make these restrictions on other peoples' private property? Even if the tenants' private properties are parked on the owner's private property ? Was there any mention of this in rental leases? I don't think so. I have called the Oaks, but the line has been busy each time.
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| 3. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:19 AM |
| nuart |
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It's Or-ee-gon, Jake. I mean, Raymond. Susan
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| 4. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:02 PM |
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Eh, this is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. The woman will reverse her decision when she realizes that the entire complex is fighting against her. In this economy, nobody is stupid enough to put paying tenants out on the street over something as small as a flag. And if she IS that stupid, well, then I foresee an apartment complex coming up for sale in Albany, OR within the next year. Going cheap.
~ Amanda "Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave..."
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| 5. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:46 PM |
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I don't think the complex has a legal leg to stand on with regards to a flag on a car. At least i don't think. I'm curious if the ban could include questionable decals on a car that might be offensive to a religious person on the property? I'm pretty sure courts have already deemed that as free speech, so I think having a flag on a car on private property would be the same.
It's stupid, that's for sure. I agree with Amanda.
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| 6. Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:58 PM |
| Booth |
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| QUOTE: "This flag stands for all those people," said Clausen, an Oaks Apartment resident. "It stands for the people that can no longer stand
| Speaking of which, there are apparently no pictures of Larry Flynt wearing the flag as a diaper online.
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