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| 1. Friday, March 31, 2006 4:55 AM |
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Okay, so you have stuff to say to Ismail Haniyeh, leader of Hamas ? Mail him: ihaniyyeh@hotmail.com
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| 2. Friday, March 31, 2006 10:44 AM |
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wonder if he has ever been forwarded porn before? thats all i seem to use my hotmail account for these days!
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| 3. Friday, March 31, 2006 5:00 PM |
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or a danish pastry in the image of mohammed
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| 4. Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:14 AM |
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I don't know, but I thought this was funny. Susan
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| 5. Friday, May 5, 2006 10:46 AM |
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Hamas supporters burn the US and British flags during a demonstration in Gaza City. Thousands of Palestinians have demanded death to the United States and rallied behind their Hamas-led government, severely squeezed by a Western boycott, aid cuts and aserious fiscal crisis.(AFP/Samuel Aranda) And then they want to make sure the country, whose flags they burn, keeps that cash comin'! Widows and Orphans are in need. Susan
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| 6. Friday, May 5, 2006 11:40 AM |
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Better off without financial support from the U.S., surely? Keeps things organised tidily in the mind. Then they can look to their elected officials as the point at which the buck stops for widow/orphan welfare.
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| 7. Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:43 AM |
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who says hamas aren't serious about ending hostilities in the middle east? check http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45357
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| 8. Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:14 AM |
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http://memritv.org/default.asp
Check out this frenzied auction that was recently held by Hamas, Israel's de facto "partners in peace" and see what you think about it. There are four videos listed on this page and it is 1147 that you're going to want to watch. Right now it's the fourth from the top but that may change as this site is updated often. Susan
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| 9. Friday, May 26, 2006 9:14 AM |
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Okay, nobody was overly impressed with the Hamas auction of the jacket belong to the "shaheed?" Here's one of those uplifting counterpoints that demonstrate, I believe, the direction that should be taken posthaste. I like the way this Italian-Egyptian journalist breaks down the "sides." Isn't it clear that someone like Magdi Allam, who comes from an Islamic country, might have a greater understanding of the risks involved in sticking with the present course of action. HELLO! Is anybody listening??????? Gawd, I wish I were Italian and I'd vote for him should he decide to run for office! Death threats and all! Will Italy treat him as Holland treated Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Will Magdi Allam ultimately end up in the USA? Andrew, if you're reading this and I'm especially interested in your take. I felt that almost everything he said below deserved highlighting though I tried to be selective. Okay, I left off the part about making a law... Not sure about that.
Susan Last update - 14:54 23/05/2006 'Hamas' terror is not a reaction to the occupation By Assaf Uni Haaretz
"Israel's right to exist is today the international criterion for distinguishing between the terrorist camp and the camp of life," says Magdi Allam, the Egyptian-Italian journalist and writer who is now visiting Israel.
"On one side, there is the Hamas government, Iran, fundamentalist Islam and even parts of the extreme left and right in Europe." On the other side, he says, are Western countries and "supporters of the right to live." The West, he believes, has consistently failed to grasp its situation: It does not understand that it is under attack, and it is trying to conduct a dialogue with the Muslims attacking it.
Allam, 54 and a native of Egypt, immigrated to Italy some 30 years ago and studied sociology at La Sapienza University in Rome. Today he is the deputy editor of Corriere della Sera, Italy's largest newspaper, and is one of the country's leading journalists. In a series of books, articles and public appearances, Allam has not hesitated to criticize radical Islam openly. He even attacks the weakness he claims the West in general - and Europe in particular - show in the face of the growth of radical Islam.
"The West thinks the Islamic terrorism that struck New York, London and Madrid is a reaction, a kind of uprising of the poor against the wealthy," he says in an interview with Haaretz. According to Allam, the West does not understand that it is facing an organized attack that is gradually gaining supporters around the world. Following September 11, he says, a new and dangerous front has emerged of Muslim radicals and extreme left- and right-wing elements that must be dealt with forcefully.
"Denying the right to exist of Israel necessarily leads to approval of the use of violence and terrorism in order to erase Israel from the map," he notes. "This is the main characteristic of the 'culture of death' that advocates killing those who deny Islam."
Allam says there should be a law that stipulates that any statement against Israel's right to exist - whether made during an imam's sermon in a mosque or in a press statement - should be deemed a criminal offense.
'Exceptional journalistic work'
On Sunday, Allam received the Dan David prize for his "exceptional journalistic work and commitment to freedom of the press." He shared the $1 million prize with three other journalists - Monica Gonzales of Chile, Adam Michnik of Poland and Goenawan Mohamad of Indonesia. The prizes were awarded at a ceremony, attended by Israeli President Moshe Katsav, at the Tel Aviv University campus. Other prizes were awarded to cellist Yo-Yo Ma and cancer researchers John Mendelsohn and Joseph Schlessinger.
The prize committee, whose members include the head of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and the editor of The New Yorker, commended Allam "for continuously voicing his opinion against extremism and in favor of tolerance." According to the committee, Allam proves that "positive dialogue with moderate Islam is both possible and necessary."
Allam is using his visit to Israel to lecture, visit Yad Vashem and present his views to the Israeli public.
"My goal is to free the West from the nihilism that has spread in its midst, from the lack of values that leads to the growth of radical Islam," says Allam. "In the face of the threat from radical Islam, the West must be united and formulate a shared value system that sanctifies life and denounces the right to kill."
Therefore, he says, there should be sharp criticism of those who argue that the terrorism in Israel and Iraq is legitimate because it is being committed against occupation and in the name of independence. "Whoever says that supports a culture of death," Allam argues. "It may perhaps start with a show of some understanding, but will quickly spread to granting permission to destroy anyone who is not Muslim."
Allam is against any attempt at dialogue with the Hamas government.
"I oppose any middle way," he says. "I oppose any type of dialogue just for the sake of dialogue. Hamas is part of the global Islamic front. It is an organization that prefers to worsen the conditions of its citizens rather than recognize Israel. The terrorism it wages against Israel is ideological terrorism. It would be a big mistake to think that it is resistance, because they are not trying to promote a Palestinian state. They have simply been trying, ever since the signing of the Oslo Accords, to destroy every effort to achieve peace."
Failed integration
Allam's remarks against Hamas in recent years have brought death threats from the organization and require Allam to have bodyguards at all times. But the Palestinian organization is not the only one threatening his life - his criticism of imams and Muslim preachers in Europe has sparked rage in Muslim communities there as well.
"The integration of Muslim immigrants in Europe has failed," Allam says. "The multicultural model that was tried in Britain and Holland led to the creation of Islamic ghettos; the governments that thought granting freedom to their citizens would turn it into a shared value were mistaken. Many Muslims saw freedom as a green light to enforce Islamic law and create their own society within a society."
The French model of assimilation also failed, he says, and the Muslims in the suburbs of the large French cities do not see themselves as citizens of the Republic.
One of the events that illustrated integration's failure, Allam believes, is the Mohammed cartoon affair. This made it possible "to draw the battle lines" between those who advocate Islamic law and citizens of the West - and the picture that emerged, he says, is not encouraging. "Most European governments chose to denounce the publication of the drawings," he says, "and this was a big mistake." This February, Allam published an open letter supporting the right of European newspapers to publish the drawings of the prophet in the name of freedom of expression.
Integration will have a chance only if the European countries change their approach, he says.
"There is an Italian saying, 'Every nation receives the government it deserves.' Along the same lines, it may be said, 'Every state in Europe receives the immigrant community it deserves.'" According to him, the governments must act forcefully against some immigrant groups to make it clear that the laws of the state are above the laws of religion.
"There is no one single way to be Muslim," he says, "there is also no 'right' or 'wrong' Islam. We have the freedom to interpret Islam any way we like. When I grew up in Egypt in the 1960s, Islam was completely different - girls walked around in miniskirts and guys were listening to the Beatles. It's a mistake to say that if you're a Muslim in Europe you have to grow a beard, go to the mosque and wear a galabiya. It's a stereotype that was imposed by Muslim extremists."
On the future of the integration of Muslim immigrants in Italy, Allam says he is disappointed by the election of Romano Prodi's new center-left government.
"They are promising to be 'softer' on the matter of immigration laws, to bring back the soldiers from Iraq and to consider negotiations with Hamas," he says. "This only proves that Italy is going in the opposite direction compared to the rest of the world in dealing with immigration, which will lead to a deterioration of the situation."
He says he hopes that the government does not last long. Then perhaps he may enter politics.
This coming June, his latest book, entitled "I Love Italy - But Do the Italians Love It?" will hit the stores in his country. The Italian journalist, it seems, is positioning himself as someone who knows exactly what the country needs to forge a national identity that will prevent Muslim youths from turning to religious extremism. "In my book, I suggest setting up a ministry to address the matter of immigration and to create a national identity," he says. "In my vision, I see Italy as a picture framed by justice and law. In the center I see different communities that share a unified Italian national identity."
"However," he adds, "I don't think a government ministry of this type is possible these days."
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| 10. Friday, May 26, 2006 10:37 AM |
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CCC, maybe the fuller answer is in his book. Wonder if it's only in Italian? Susan
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| 11. Tuesday, July 4, 2006 2:41 AM |
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Sorry, Susan. I had been avoiding this thread, and I didn't know I had been called out. So I didn't mean to ignore you. The writer has hit upon a certain truth, but IMO his solution to it is as bad as the problem. "My goal is to free the West from the nihilism that has spread in its midst, from the lack of values that leads to the growth of radical Islam," says Allam. "In the face of the threat from radical Islam, the West must be united and formulate a shared value system that sanctifies life and denounces the right to kill." This is my biggest beef with what he says. 99% of people in the West do share a value system that sanctifies life and denounces killing when quizzed simply about it. Probably 95% of them though are quite willing to de-sanctify life and condone killing in some circumstances though, for instance the casual acceptance of some about either collateral damage in Iraq or U.S. military casualties depending on one's outlook. Nevertheless, people in the West generally hold the right to life as pretty dang significant. He says though, that in this case, the West should be united. I take it from this he means that the West should be united behind the ideas and policies in response to radical Islam that he favours. Well, this won't happen simply because people who live in Western democracies are mainly free to choose between ideas. Crucially, the choice is NOT between the 'sides' of Western democracy vs. radical Islam (as is the implication, about the billionth time I've heard this nefarious implication), but between manners of dealing with it. The writer would say that there is only one way to deal with it. I exercise my Western democratic right to disagree. Furthermore, I posit that any kind of 'maufacture of consent' in Western democratic societies which is attempted to be fostered by a culture of fear, xenophobia or propaganda is a serious step in the wrong direction and has in fact, far more chance of destroying our freedoms and culture of tolerance and liberty than any retarded punk in a suicide vest. Where he has a certain point is that proper jihadists are not interested in dialogue. We can though, by improving communication and making some changes of behaviour, reduce the likelihood of people to turn to nihilistic jihadism. My solution, imperfect and risky and un-sexy as it is, is to pursue murderers and terrorists relentlessly and expose them to Western justice, fairly, impartially and given current events, somewhere like the Hague instead of the United States or the country of arrest. So that is the reactive element, where you might say, is the proactive element (if you favour corporate-speak)? We must make ourselves generally lovable and hard to hate. Yep, that's it, in all of its glorious naivete. This means an end to unfair practices of exploitation and imperialism. This means focussing our resources inwards and not attempting to intervene in the affairs of other countries even if they turn downwards, and not when we lose economic interests in those countries. People have a right to self-determination and freedom from undue outside influence. The wonderful thing about this, I believe, is that it will lead in the long term eventually to more freedom and liberty in those places, because that is a natural progression. As far as Hamas is concerned, the writer is correct to say that they must drop their idea of not recognising Israel's right to exist. They exist, and there they are, and her people have as much right to exist as any. An unoccupied Palestine also has a right to exist. Both sides of that equation should set immediately to determining the borders which will define the two future neighbouring sovereign nations. Detaining half of Palestine's elected officials I feel, is unhelpful. Kidnapping Israelis is I feel, unhelpful, and any support meted to those who would blow up civilians in cafes is right out. Should Hamas be lumped as Islamists in the way the term is usually understood though? I recall George Galloway being attacked by Islamists in the run-up to the last election because he was encouraging Muslims to vote. Proper Islamists don't in fact believe in voting, or any kind of non-theocratic system of government. Perhaps I will write a book.....when I read about right to trial by jury and habeus corpus being scrapped, the law of double jeopardy already gone now, governments pressing to allow police to hold people for up to 80 days without charge, police being given powers to stop and search without so much as reasonable suspicion, every person in Britain being iris-scanned and having DNA information on their soon-to-be compulsary National ID card which all government agencies and many private capitalist corporations will have access to, I am tempted, as an immigrant myself, to write a book called I Love Britain, But do the British? In 10 years time perhaps it will be I Loved Britain, But Now the British Are Not Who They Were.
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| 12. Friday, July 7, 2006 8:59 AM |
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| Special Dispatch Series - No. 1199 | | July 7, 2006 | No.1199 |  | Saudi Columnist on June 25 Gaza Attack: This is a Despicable Attack by Hamas, Which is Acting Like a Terrorist Organization In an article in the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa titled "The Crime at the Kerem Shalom Crossing," Saudi columnist Yusuf Nasir Al-Suweidan argues that the June 25, 2006 attack at the Kerem Shalom crossing, in which Israeli soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit was taken hostage, has turned the Palestinian dream of an independent state into a thing of the past, and that after Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians should have laid down their weapons and worked to develop Palestinian society. The following are excerpts from the article: [1] "When Vietcong Fighters Dug Underground Tunnels in Order to Reach the American Danang Base in South Vietnam... They Did so Inside the Borders of Their Homeland" "When Vietcong fighters dug underground tunnels in order to reach the American Danang base in South Vietnam in the 1960s, they did so inside the borders of their homeland, Vietnam, and in the context of a minor world war in which the strong players were the Americans, the Chinese, and the Soviets. "But the faulty course of action taken by the Palestinians, for instance this war of tunnels, is something else entirely. The tunnel dug by the terrorists from the Gaza Strip to the Kerem Shalom crossing took them outside the Palestinian border, and they used it to penetrate into Israel - an independent, sovereign, U.N. member state. There [in Israel] they perpetrated the crime of murdering two Israelis, kidnapping a third, and wounding others, with all the dangerous consequences that [such a] despicable attack has caused and will cause to the Palestinian side. As Palestinian Presidential Spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeina put it: 'Things are back to square one'..." Hamas' Claims of "Important Victory" in This Attack are Absurd "It would be absurd to try to believe the claims of the terrorist Hamas movement, and of its allies and masters in Tehran and Damascus, that speak of an 'important victory' over the Israelis in this desperate attack. This [claim is absurd], for the simple and obvious reason that the military, political, and economic balance of power, along with every other parameter, will always favor Israel to a considerable degree, so that the very notion of equilibrium between the two sides in the conflict is [nothing but] a wild fantasy. "[In addition] it would [be] a complete fantasy to think that the Israelis will react like 'harmless lambs' to what occurred near the Kerem Shalom crossing last Sunday. Several minutes after the terrorist attack, the crossings [were] closed and the Israeli military units began moving in battle readiness. This was the largest Israeli military build-up since the withdrawal from Gaza last September. This shows that the Israelis are determined to invade the Gaza Strip within hours [if three conditions are not met]: firstly, if the kidnapped Israeli is not released; secondly, if the firing of Qassam missiles into Israeli territories does not cease; and thirdly, [if] the terrorist infrastructure is not dismantled. "If this invasion materializes, then this time, a new reality will be created in the Gaza Strip in which all talk about 'back to square one' will be nothing but wild optimism - since the [situation] will regress [far beyond that], to a level where it is possible to talk of a plan of deportation and demographic change in Gaza, and this [plan] might even be implemented soon. This will turn the Palestinian dream of an independent state into a thing of the past..." "What [The Palestinian Masses] Need Most is Food, Medicine, Clothing... Not Explosive Belts, Car Bombs, and the Slogan, 'Congratulations, Oh Martyr, the Black-Eyed Virgin Awaits You'" "The main mistake lies in the fact that the Palestinian organizations did not respond correctly to the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza... and its consequences. Instead of beating their swords into plowshares, pens, and other things that are needed for the development of Palestinian society - in terms of the economy, society, culture, and so on - most of them read the developments incorrectly and immaturely. This was exploited by the terrorist networks, that are funded and run by the regimes of the ayatollahs in Tehran and the Ba'th [party] in Syria, and [people] have been taken in by delusions and empty slogans like 'liberation from the river to the sea' [that are heard] among the poor, hungry, and desperate Palestinian masses. At present, what [these masses] need most is food, medicines, clothing, and other essentials - not explosive belts, car bombs, and the slogan, 'Congratulations, oh Martyr, the black-eyed virgin awaits you.'" [1] Al-Siyassa (Kuwait), June 27, 2006. |
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| 13. Friday, July 7, 2006 9:03 AM |
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Andrew, I always appreciate your well-considered responses. They are a great source of hope for me because they are always fresh, demonstrate a fair minded approach and a willingness to consider all aspects. Obviously, I come to some different conclusions though I share most of your concerns. My computer internet connection has been very iffy the past few days and I am awaiting a call from my tech man. I just wanted to get these two posts in before the POOF where the connection disappears. The article above is another sign of hope -- a Saudi journalist who does not fall lock step into defending the Hamas actions. This is the point for my oft repeated wish... May his tribe increase! Susan
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| 14. Saturday, July 8, 2006 1:21 AM |
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| QUOTE: Sorry, Susan. I had been avoiding this thread, and I didn't know I had been called out. So I didn't mean to ignore you. The writer has hit upon a certain truth, but IMO his solution to it is as bad as the problem. "My goal is to free the West from the nihilism that has spread in its midst, from the lack of values that leads to the growth of radical Islam," says Allam. "In the face of the threat from radical Islam, the West must be united and formulate a shared value system that sanctifies life and denounces the right to kill." This is my biggest beef with what he says. 99% of people in the West do share a value system that sanctifies life and denounces killing when quizzed simply about it. Probably 95% of them though are quite willing to de-sanctify life and condone killing in some circumstances though, for instance the casual acceptance of some about either collateral damage in Iraq or U.S. military casualties depending on one's outlook. Nevertheless, people in the West generally hold the right to life as pretty dang significant. He says though, that in this case, the West should be united. I take it from this he means that the West should be united behind the ideas and policies in response to radical Islam that he favours. Well, this won't happen simply because people who live in Western democracies are mainly free to choose between ideas. Crucially, the choice is NOT between the 'sides' of Western democracy vs. radical Islam (as is the implication, about the billionth time I've heard this nefarious implication), but between manners of dealing with it. The writer would say that there is only one way to deal with it. I exercise my Western democratic right to disagree. Furthermore, I posit that any kind of 'maufacture of consent' in Western democratic societies which is attempted to be fostered by a culture of fear, xenophobia or propaganda is a serious step in the wrong direction and has in fact, far more chance of destroying our freedoms and culture of tolerance and liberty than any retarded punk in a suicide vest. Where he has a certain point is that proper jihadists are not interested in dialogue. We can though, by improving communication and making some changes of behaviour, reduce the likelihood of people to turn to nihilistic jihadism. My solution, imperfect and risky and un-sexy as it is, is to pursue murderers and terrorists relentlessly and expose them to Western justice, fairly, impartially and given current events, somewhere like the Hague instead of the United States or the country of arrest. So that is the reactive element, where you might say, is the proactive element (if you favour corporate-speak)? We must make ourselves generally lovable and hard to hate. Yep, that's it, in all of its glorious naivete. This means an end to unfair practices of exploitation and imperialism. This means focussing our resources inwards and not attempting to intervene in the affairs of other countries even if they turn downwards, and not when we lose economic interests in those countries. People have a right to self-determination and freedom from undue outside influence. The wonderful thing about this, I believe, is that it will lead in the long term eventually to more freedom and liberty in those places, because that is a natural progression. As far as Hamas is concerned, the writer is correct to say that they must drop their idea of not recognising Israel's right to exist. They exist, and there they are, and her people have as much right to exist as any. An unoccupied Palestine also has a right to exist. Both sides of that equation should set immediately to determining the borders which will define the two future neighbouring sovereign nations. Detaining half of Palestine's elected officials I feel, is unhelpful. Kidnapping Israelis is I feel, unhelpful, and any support meted to those who would blow up civilians in cafes is right out. Should Hamas be lumped as Islamists in the way the term is usually understood though? I recall George Galloway being attacked by Islamists in the run-up to the last election because he was encouraging Muslims to vote. Proper Islamists don't in fact believe in voting, or any kind of non-theocratic system of government. Perhaps I will write a book.....when I read about right to trial by jury and habeus corpus being scrapped, the law of double jeopardy already gone now, governments pressing to allow police to hold people for up to 80 days without charge, police being given powers to stop and search without so much as reasonable suspicion, every person in Britain being iris-scanned and having DNA information on their soon-to-be compulsary National ID card which all government agencies and many private capitalist corporations will have access to, I am tempted, as an immigrant myself, to write a book called I Love Britain, But do the British? In 10 years time perhaps it will be I Loved Britain, But Now the British Are Not Who They Were.
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Well said, sir. I'd buy your book, Andrew. In fact I'd probably vote for you too. I am increasingly frustrated by those who propogate this war of ideologies argument. Its nice to hear an alternative that doesn't involve any further erosion of our freedoms.
At the moment, my book would be titled I Love Britain But Couldn't Live There.
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| 15. Sunday, July 9, 2006 12:17 PM |
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Whoa, Nelly (aka X-ray)! I'd be willing to buy Andrew's book but I'm going to wait until his program of How We Get 'em to Love Us is clarified a bit more before committing my vote to that ticket.  Here's an interesting poll that demonstrates just what Israel is up against in attempting to find that elusive partner in peace. Remember the fantasy one year ago when Israel removed its settlers from the whole of Gaza? Remember the notion of what COULD have been? A prospering set of businessmen building a new autonomous society. What would have happened had Hamas NOT have kidnapped Shalit? Talk about a quagmire. Sigh... Susan Poll: Palestinians back Shalit abduction Khaled Abu Toameh, THE JERUSALEM POST Jul. 9, 2006
An overwhelming majority of Palestinians support the abduction of IDF soldier Cpl Gilad Shalit and the firing of rockets at Israel, according to a public opinion poll published on Sunday by the Jerusalem Media Communications Center.
The poll, which was conducted shortly after Shalit's kidnapping, also showed that 70% of the Palestinians believe that Hamas should not release him until Israel agrees to free Palestinian prisoners.
The poll covered 1,197 people over the age of 18 and was held on the basis of face-to-face interviews. More than half of those polled were from the Gaza Strip, where Shalit is being held.
A majority of respondents, 77.2%, expressed support for the Hamas operation that included the abduction of Shalit, while only 21.7% said they opposed it.
Also, a majority of 66.8% supported the continuation of such attacks aimed at kidnapping Israelii soldiers, compared with 30.7% who rejected them, saying they were harmful to the Palestinian national interests.
Significantly, this high support for the abduction comes in spite of the fact that the majority of the respondents - 46.7% - expect the crisis to end with losses incurred by the Palestinian side.
Moreover, over 60.4% voiced support for the launching of rockets at Israel, while only 36% found them harmful to their interests.
The poll also found that support for Hamas has increased despite international sanctions and the growing violence. If elections were held today, the percentage of Palestinians who said they would vote for (Hamas) rose slightly from 30.8% in June 2006 to 33.1%.
Support for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party dropped from 33% to 32%, according to the poll.
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| 16. Sunday, July 9, 2006 3:12 PM |
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Even if I somehow got everyone on board with the 'Make Love Not War' part of my manifesto, my 'Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em' pledge is a surefire vote-loser in this day and age. Not to mention if I adopted The Weasel's 'You May Either Have a Car or a Child But Not Both' stance.
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| 17. Sunday, July 9, 2006 5:41 PM |
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My platform is simple advice: Do not walk or drive in front of or behind the very young or the very old. Words of wisdom. Susan
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| 18. Monday, July 17, 2006 10:25 AM |
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Guess this one belongs under Hamas and not the Lebanon Hezbollah thread. Here is a photo of some young Palestinian boys and the older "gent" who hold a boot. The AP photographer kindly cropped the head of the "militant" Al Aqsa Brigader presumably to protect his identity. Wouldn't want to help out those Eez-rah-ay-leez. Oh, back to the boot. They had just blown apart the body of an IDF soldier wounding three others. Was this in Gaza? Nope. Nablus in the West Bank. Children and others ran off with body parts. A shoe remained for the children to celebrate an Israeli death. In other news photos, the children take turns having their photo taken alongside the carnage. Culture of death? Nah......

Immediately after the explosion, dozens of residents gathered around the soldier’s body and burst into shouts of happiness in front of the Arab media’s television cameras. After the incident, a senior member of the Brigades told Ynet that his people hold part of the killed soldier’s body, but another activist made it clear that there was no plan to negotiate on the body parts, which were later transferred to the Palestinian Authority and then to IDF representatives.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3277022,00.html Of course, maybe I'm selective in choosing this story. Maybe it's completely non-representative of the region and the differences in Israeli and Palestinian mindsets. Well, draw your own conclusion. Susan
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| 19. Monday, July 17, 2006 10:30 AM |
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A more frequent occurence that gets no coverage in US press and little in Israeli press, is the daily thwarting of terrorist attacks thanks to the humiliating practice of stopping suspicious characters. Happened today in Jerusalem. Palestinian caught with bomb in J'lem
| Etgar Lefkovits, THE JERUSALEM POST | Jul. 17, 2006 |
A suicide bombing in downtown Jerusalem was thwarted Monday, after a 25-year-old Palestinian was caught carrying a bomb in a bag on a main city thoroughfare, police said. The male suspect, a West Bank resident, was stopped by police on the city's Jaffa Road near the Jaffa Gate for a routine security check during the late-morning incident. The man was arrested on the scene, after the estimated five kilograms of explosives were found in his bag. During his initial police interrogation, the suspect confessed that he was carrying a bomb and said that he came to the area to carry out a terror attack, Jerusalem police spokesman Shmuel Ben-Ruby said. The Palestinian had planned to blow himself up in a suicide bombing, deputy Jerusalem police chief Shimon Koren told reporters. It was not immediately clear if the suspect was affiliated with any major Palestinian terror organization or if he acted on his own. The streets in the area were quickly closed off to traffic, as police sappers neutralized the explosives on the scene. Police choppers could be heard hovering in the air shortly after the arrest, in an apparent effort to track any accomplices the suspect may have had as well as to prevent any further attacks. Later in the afternoon, the bomb was taken to an isolated location to be destroyed. Jerusalem has been peaceful until now despite the escalating violence flaring throughout northern Israel, but Israeli security officials have warned that Palestinians would like to carry out suicide bombings in major Israeli cities.
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| 20. Monday, July 17, 2006 10:03 PM |
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Hey, it's not U-Tube but check out this video from a Hamas suicide bomber. It co-stars his mother. It's a short though not as well produced as "Paradise Now." However it does have that ring of authenticity about it. See what you think. Under "Video Reports" click on "Hamas in its Own Words" and then on the first available title which is... We will drink the blood of the Jews Catchy title. And for anyone who suggests having a heart to heart conversation with the likes of these poor duped individuals, well... I just can't see it. Susan
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| 21. Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:50 PM |
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THIS is news! From the Jerusalem Post this article on a Hamas. Ghazi Hamad may be a potential leader. Someone to watch. A leader is a rare force in today's world. A wise and thoughtful leader, rarer still. I like his introspection. Susan Hamas spokesman: Gaza is caught in a nightmare of anarchy and thuggery
| Khaled Abu Toameh, THE JERUSALEM POST | Aug. 28, 2006 |
"When you walk in the streets of Gaza City, you cannot but close your eyes because of what you see there: unimaginable chaos, careless policemen, young men carrying guns and strutting with pride and families receiving condolences for their dead in the middle of the street." This is how Ghazi Hamad, spokesman for the Hamas-controlled Palestinian Authority government and a former newspaper editor, described the situation in the Gaza Strip in an article he published on Sunday on some Palestinian news Web sites. The article, the first of its kind by a senior Hamas official, also questioned the effectiveness of the Kassam rocket attacks and noted that since Israel evacuated the Gaza Strip, the situation there has deteriorated on all levels. It holds the armed groups responsible for the crisis and calls on them to reconsider their tactics and to stop blaming Israel for their mistakes. "Gaza is suffering under the yoke of anarchy and the swords of thugs," Hamad wrote. "I remember the day when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and closed the gates behind. Then, Palestinians across the political spectrum took to the streets to celebrate what many of us regarded as the Israeli defeat or retreat. We heard a lot about a promising future in the Gaza Strip and about turning the area into a trade and industrial zone." Hamad said the "culture of life" that prevailed in the Strip has since been replaced with a nightmare. "Life became a nightmare and an intolerable burden," he said. "Today I ask myself a daring and frightening question: 'Why did the occupation return to Gaza?' The normal reply: 'The occupation is the reason.'" Dismissing Israel's responsibility for the growing state of anarchy and lawlessness in the Gaza Strip, Hamad said it was time for the Palestinians to embark on a soul-searching process to see where they erred. "We're always afraid to talk about our mistakes," he added. "We're used to blaming our mistakes on others. What is the relationship between the chaos, anarchy, lawlessness, indiscriminate murders, theft of land, family rivalries, transgression on public lands and unorganized traffic and the occupation? We are still trapped by the mentality of conspiracy theories - one that has limited our capability to think." Hamad admitted that the Palestinians have failed in developing the Gaza Strip following the Israeli withdrawal and in imposing law and order. He said about 500 Palestinians have been killed and 3,000 wounded since the Israeli pullout, in addition to the destruction of much of the infrastructure in the area. By comparison, he said, only three or four Israelis have been killed by the rockets fired from the Gaza Strip over the same period. "Some will argue that it's not a matter of profit or loss, but that this has an accumulating effect" he said. "This may be true. But isn't there a possibility of decreasing the number of casualties and increasing our gains by using our brains and making the proper calculations away from demagogic statements?" The Hamas official said that while his government was unable to change the situation, the opposition was sitting on the side and watching and PA President Mahmoud Abbas was as weak as ever. "We have all been attacked by the bacteria of stupidity," he remarked. "We have lost our sense of direction and we don't know where we're headed." Addressing the various armed groups in the Gaza Strip, Hamad concluded: "Please have mercy on Gaza. Have mercy on us from your demagogy, chaos, guns, thugs, infighting. Let Gaza breathe a bit. Let it live."
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| 22. Tuesday, September 5, 2006 9:11 AM |
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Okay, it's really not a Hamas story, but mayhaps they are involved in the humanitarian efforts to release the kidnapped/captured Israeli soldier/Zionist enemy. Looks like the Israelis do deal with terrorists. Oh well, I don't suppose they have too many other options on the other side of the table. These sort of arrangements have not worked out super well for the Israelis in the past so we shall see. Gilad Shalit turned 20 years old during his captivity which began on June 25. Susan 
Abbas confirms deal on Shalit's release
| JPost.com Staff, THE JERUSALEM POST | Sep. 5, 2006 |
Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas confirmed Tuesday that a deal had been reached to secure the release of kidnapped IDF soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit. Abbas told Bahrain-based newspaper El-Halij that Shalit would be transferred to Egypt and held there until Israel fulfilled its part of the bargain. For the good of the many, by Elliot Jager Earlier, Channel 2 News reported that the kidnappers had promised to release news of the soldier's welfare by Wednesday. The announcement came after the Egyptian newspaper Al-Hayat reported that Shalit had already been transferred to Egypt as part of a deal to secure his release. The Jerusalem Post was first to report on Friday that two officers from Egyptian intelligence were stationed in the Gaza Strip and were said to be in touch with the actual kidnappers, who had passed on to them their demands. The Post reported that Israel was holding up the deal, and Egypt was waiting for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's response. According to Al-Hayat, Shalit was handed over to Egypt "a short time ago" in exchange for Israel's guarantee to release 800 Palestinian prisoners in three stages. Gilad's father Noam Shalit denied the report, saying unequivocally that Gilad was not in Egypt. Israel Radio reported that Hamas had retracted its demand that Shalit be freed simultaneously with the Palestinian prisoners. Al-Hayat said that Israel had stipulated that no prisoners with blood on their hands, as well as Tanzim leader Marwan Barghouti and Ahmad Sadat, the PFLP head involved in the murder of former tourism minister Rehavam Ze'evi, should be freed as part of the deal. Channel 10 News reported that Hamas had agreed to Israel's conditions. A senior government source said that Israel was unaware of such developments and the security establishment made no comment on the reported agreement. Later officials from the Prime Minister's Office said they could not verify the information.
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