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1. Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:37 AM
12rainbow Freedom of Religion OR Tolerance?


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Some religious conservatives fight tolerance policies

Anti-gay activists say rules infringe on their religious beliefs to speak out against homosexuality.


LOS ANGELES TIMES
Sunday, April 23, 2006

ATLANTA — Ruth Malhotra went to court last month for the right to be intolerant.

Malhotra says her Christian faith compels her to speak out against homosexuality. But the Georgia Institute of Technology, where she's a senior, bans speech that puts down others because of sexual orientation.

Erik S. Lesser
FOR THE LOS ANGELES TIMES

Orit Sklar, left, and Ruth Malhotra are suing the Georgia Institute of Technology to force the university to be more tolerant of religious viewpoints. Sklar is Jewish; Malhotra is Christian.

Malhotra sees that as an unacceptable infringement on her right to religious expression. She's demanding that Georgia Tech revoke its tolerance policy.

With her lawsuit, the 22-year-old student joins a growing campaign to force public schools, state colleges and private workplaces to eliminate policies protecting gays and lesbians from harassment.

The religious right aims to overturn common tolerance programs: diversity training that promotes acceptance of gay people, speech codes that ban harsh words against homosexuality and anti-discrimination policies that require college clubs to open membership to all.

"Christians," the Rev. Rick Scarborough said, "are going to have to take a stand for the right to be Christian."

In that spirit, the Christian Legal Society, an association of judges and lawyers, has formed a national group to challenge tolerance policies in federal court. Several nonprofit law firms — backed by major ministries such as Focus on the Family and Campus Crusade for Christ — take such cases for free.

The legal argument is straightforward: Policies intended to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination end up discriminating against conservative Christians.

Evangelicals have been suspended for wearing anti-gay T-shirts to high school, fired for denouncing Gay Pride Month at work and reprimanded for refusing to attend diversity training. When they protest tolerance codes, they're labeled intolerant.

A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League found that 64 percent of American adults — including 80 percent of evangelical Christians — agreed with the statement "Religion is under attack in the U.S."

"The message is, you're free to worship as you like, but don't you dare talk about it outside the four walls of your church," said Stephen Crampton, chief counsel for the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy, which represents Christians who feel harassed.

Critics dismiss such talk as a fundraising ploy.

"They're trying to develop a persecution complex," said Jeremy Gunn, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

Others fear the banner of religious liberty could be used to justify harassment.

"What if a person felt their religious view was that African Americans shouldn't mingle with Caucasians, or that women shouldn't work?" asked Jon Davidson, legal director of the gay-rights group Lambda Legal.

Christian activist Gregory Baylor said he supports policies that protect people from discrimination based on race and gender. But he argues that sexual orientation is different.

By equating homosexuality with race, Baylor said, tolerance policies put conservative evangelicals in the same category as racists. He says the government might one day revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that preach homosexuality is sinful or that refuse to hire gays and lesbians.

"Think how marginalized racists are," said Baylor, who directs the Christian Legal Society's Center for Law and Religious Freedom. "If we don't address this now, it will only get worse."

In their lawsuit against Georgia Tech, Malhotra and her co-plaintiff, a Jewish student named Orit Sklar, request unspecified damages.

But they say their main goal is to force the university to be more tolerant of religious viewpoints. The lawsuit was filed by the Alliance Defense Fund, a nonprofit law firm that focuses on religious liberty cases.

Malhotra said she had been reprimanded by college deans several times for expressing conservative religious and political views. When she protested a campus production of "The Vagina Monologues" with a display condemning feminism, the administration asked her to paint over part of it.

She caused another stir with a letter to gay activists who organized Coming Out Week in the fall of 2004. Malhotra sent the letter on behalf of the Georgia Tech College Republicans, of which is she chairwoman; she said several members of the executive board helped write it.

The letter referred to the campus gay-rights group Pride Alliance as a "sex club . . . that can't even manage to be tasteful." It went on to say it was ludicrous for Georgia Tech to help finance the Pride Alliance.

The letter berated students who come out publicly as gay, saying they subject others on campus to "a constant barrage of homosexuality."

"If gays want to be tolerated, they should knock off the political propaganda," the letter said.

The student activist who received the letter, Felix Hu, described it as "rude, unfair, presumptuous" — and disturbing enough that Pride Alliance forwarded it to a college administrator. Soon after, Malhotra said, she was called in to a dean's office. Students can be expelled for intolerant speech, but she said she was only reprimanded.

Still, she said, the incident has left her afraid to speak freely.

"Whenever I've spoken out against a certain lifestyle, the first thing I'm told is, 'You're being intolerant, you're being negative, you're creating a hostile campus environment,' " Malhotra said.

A Georgia Tech spokeswoman wouldn't comment on the lawsuit or on Malhotra's disciplinary record, but said the university encouraged students to debate freely, "as long as they're not promoting violence or harassing anyone."

The open question is what constitutes harassment, what's a sincere expression of faith — and what to do when they overlap.

"There really is confusion out there," said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center, affiliated with Vanderbilt University. "Finding common ground sounds good. But the reality is, a lot of people on all sides have a stake in the fight."

 
2. Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:46 AM
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Wow.  That's all I can really say....along with, in my Constitutional Law class we learned there is a thin line between freedom of speech and harming others.  You ahve the right to freedom of speech but there's a point where what you are saying is harming someone.  The KKK can still speak out on what they preach, but there is a limit to when and where they can do it.

Anyway, I'm not going to go any further.  It's just going to upset me.... 



 
 
3. Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:37 PM
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Well it is my practice as a Catholic to do what I think is right and throw the first stone if you have never sinned.  End of story.  it is not for me to judge, as the judgement will come at the end.  

PS:  I bet she's had premarital sex and that is a sin like being homosexual and that would be my defense....


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4. Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:11 PM
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QUOTE:

PS: I bet she's had premarital sex and that is a sin like being homosexual and that would be my defense....


Exactly



 
 
5. Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:20 PM
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There's plenty of silly sinful stuff in EVERY holy book. Please check the Freethinkers thread. (Let's hope these 2 don't represent the majority of religious people in this country)

 
6. Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:23 PM
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So they're suing to force an institution to be more tolerant of their lack of tolerance. It sort of writes its own punch line, no?


 
7. Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:40 PM
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Can someone please summarize what the article says? I have difficulties reading such technical things, my English is not that good.  Thanks.


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8. Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:09 AM
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First, a college is about a debate of free thought and ideas. These ideas adn concepts may or may not be agreeable to everyone. Anytime a college begins restricting the free flow of ideas in the name of tolerance is in effect intolerant of ideas that they personally feel is inappropriate. It becomes a totally subjective thing - and anytime the issue of what is and isn't tolerant is a subjective issue, it becomes a dangerous thing that will begin to encroach in other areas of speech. I'm sure that colleges all across the country have speeches/demonstrations/conversations that are full of what someone might consider inappropriate, and yet are they censored for those comments in the name of tolerance?

There's more to his story than I think this article is bringing up. For example - is this referring to a full demonstration involving speech? Or is it referring to private conversations among people? Are both restricted, or only the first.

I don't know which it is. Putting together an anti-gay demonstration/speech would create a bad/intolerant environment and that I can understand. But censoring someone's comments in day-to-day communication on a campus that should be priding itself at free flow of ideas, well then, that's something else entirely.

Thought-police and all aspects of thought-police is dangerous. Some are worried about how "facist" the US has becomes in recent years - you should be more concerned with thought-police that has been going on for about two or three decades now.

BTW - this article really has nothing to do with freedom of religion in my opinion. It has to do with free speech. No one is stopping these Chrsitians from practicing their religion. Yes, part of Christianity is spreading the Good News, but I would argue saying that homosexuality is wrong, etc is not part of spreading "the Gospel." 


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