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| 1. Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:14 AM |
| 12rainbow |
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Atheists identified as America’s most distrusted minority, according to new U of M study | What: | U of M study reveals America’s distrust of atheism | | Who: | Penny Edgell, associate professor of sociology | | Contact: | Nina Shepherd, sociology media relations, (612) 599-1148 Mark Cassutt University News Service, (612) 624-8038 |
MINNEAPOLIS / ST. PAUL (3/28/2006) -- American’s increasing acceptance of religious diversity doesn’t extend to those who don’t believe in a god, according to a national survey by researchers in the University of Minnesota’s department of sociology. From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.” Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry. Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public. “Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years,” says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study’s lead researcher. Edgell also argues that today’s atheists play the role that Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past—they offer a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. “It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common ‘core’ of values that make them trustworthy—and in America, that ‘core’ has historically been religious,” says Edgell. Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism. Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting social disorder is behind the findings. “Americans believe they share more than rules and procedures with their fellow citizens—they share an understanding of right and wrong,” she said. “Our findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as self-interested individuals who are not concerned with the common good.” The researchers also found acceptance or rejection of atheists is related not only to personal religiosity, but also to one’s exposure to diversity, education and political orientation—with more educated, East and West Coast Americans more accepting of atheists than their Midwestern counterparts. The study is co-authored by assistant professor Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann. It’s the first in a series of national studies conducted the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the contemporary United States. The study will appear in the April issue of the American Sociological Review.
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| 2. Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:18 AM |
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Serious question: Is atheism a religion? It seems to me that an atheist would be riled at the notion that atheism is their religion. Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 3. Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:11 AM |
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| QUOTE: Serious question: Is atheism a religion? It seems to me that an atheist would be riled at the notion that atheism is their religion. Susan |
I don't think there was a mention of atheism as religion in the preceding article. Look religion up in the dictionary. Atheism means "Without belief in God", so I doubt it would be considered a religion. The point of the article was that there's a prejudice against freethinkers, regardless of their personal character. Another point against the "moral majority", methinketh.
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| 4. Monday, May 1, 2006 4:43 PM |
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QUOTE: "Atheism means "Without belief in God", so I doubt it would be considered a religion."
Precisely! And that would be my interpretation as well. So the point is: Why would an article on yet another oppressed minority, in this case the poor put upon atheists, belong in the RELIGIOUS forum? Seems more like a Current Event. And you know me, I'm all about separation of religious thoughts from FREE-THINKER thoughts. Or maybe I'm just being cantankerous since I really don't give a hoot about the University poll... I had to laugh at the ludicrous question about whom parents would "allow" their children to marry! I don't know about anyone else but I've never asked my parents for permission to marry. I don't know anyone who has. Seems to me this is about writing another silly questionnaire, but I suppose that is included in the job description of many an academic in diversity studies. Ah, what am I saying? I'm sure Professor Edgell went into her study with an open mind without prejudging what those close-minded, intolerant, random Americans might believe. Call me cold and callous, but I just can't muster up a whole lotta empathy for the rampant suffering of the oppressed American atheist. Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 5. Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:27 PM |
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Hmmm, what would I call myself, huh? Philosophically? religiously? Hmmm, I have never self-identified as any precise category. I generally shun group affiliation of any kind. I do not practice a religion. I usually check "other" or "declines to state" if asked.
I'm not a Christian though I was raised one and attended a Methodist church as a child. It was a pretty benign type of religious experience with Biblical coloring books, memorizing the books of the Bible with song and the annual Christmas pageant with the kids dressed as shepherds, wise men, Mary and Joseph.
Other things I am not. Eastern philosophies such as Buddhism are too submissive for my taste. I completely reject the premise that all life is suffering so I don't make it past the First Noble Truth. European existentialism is too bleak for my sunny, optimistic nature. I have done time as a self-professed atheist in the past but changed my mind in art school, of all things. I don't think I even need to state for the record that I am not a Muslim.
But, if I were told that I HAD to choose a religion, I would choose Judaism. I am a Zionist. I am a Judeophile. I am also a freethinker. I appreciate the wisdom of the Torah and I think that would be my best fit. BUT, I sure don't like the idea of buying tickets for Passover services at Stephen S. Weiss Temple up on Mulholland Drive, no thank you. I plan to always have at least one fully loaded, fully lit Christmas tree throughout the month of December as well.
I am irked by those who feel carte blanche to ridicule those who DO practice a religion. Most often it is Christianity as the chosen target. Some have interpreted my defense as an indicator of my own fundamentalist views. They would be wrong.
I'm a strong proponent in Western Civilization. I believe societies are best served by the cohesiveness that comes from religious base. I think it has served our nation well for the past 229 years. I'm pleased that Christianity still remains the largest world religion. I believe it is in Western Civilization's best interests that it remain so.
I'm also a Humanist. I love the ancient Greek emphasis on human life's potential. The emphasis on LIFE. The idea of needing a three-headed dog to keep the dead in Hades is in clear opposition to welcoming Pearly Gates, and although both are wildly simplistic versions of an afterlife, I'm inclined toward the Greeks.
I'm a Deist too, I suppose, if that means only that I believe in a God.
I have no idea what awaits me upon death and I really don't care. I have no interest in speculating. Pretty sure it will not be what I expect no matter how many guesses I make. Whatever, I think the design has been well worked out and I trust the End is equally well thought out. Not afraid of death.
Is that an answer?
Seriously, I really don't care about the article or the discussion of atheism on the religious forum. I WAS being ornery though my opinion on the substance of the article remains the same.
Susan
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| 6. Monday, May 1, 2006 4:11 PM |
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Thanks for your elaboration, Susan. I feel I know you much better now (well, a little). I asked in the Guidelines thread if discussions on Atheism were "kosher" & got no response from anyone, so.... As I said, like black is a "non-color", Atheism (or Secular Humanism) is a non-religion, but it doesn't mean it should be excluded in the religion section (after all, we've labelled the threads as such. Don't enter if it makes you uncomfortable). And while you have the dictionary out, could you look up "ironic"? In a thread about Atheists being unwanted, we've been asked to leave... (go to Current Events). And as for my background, I, too, attended a Methodist church when I was young. It was the most uncomfortable type of experience for me. I couldn't imagine a bigger waste of time & my father had to bribe us with gifts afterwards to make my sister & I go. Sure, I loved Christmas. Still do. I like the idea behind it, but Jesus as God... can't buy it. More later...
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| 7. Monday, May 1, 2006 4:42 PM |
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In a thread about Atheists being unwanted, we've been asked to leave... (go to Current Events). Now that is the kind of humor that I remember and love from One Suave Folk! Pretty funny, alright!
Well if you really are feeling yourself a suffering, unwanted atheist (I think it should be lower case, don't you, my fellow editor?) then I'll make a diligent effort to make you feel more welcome from here on out. Starting now. Hi, Chris. How's it going up there in God's country? It's been heavenly down here in SoCal -- finally. It's been hotter than hell today but I'm sure that it will get worse as the summer approaches. The City of Angels is known for its long drawn out heat waves. No matter. We have a devil of a good time in the evenings. Inclusively yours,  Susan
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| 8. Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:15 PM |
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| QUOTE: In a thread about Atheists being unwanted, we've been asked to leave... (go to Current Events). Now that is the kind of humor that I remember and love from One Suave Folk! Pretty funny, alright!
Well if you really are feeling yourself a suffering, unwanted atheist (I think it should be lower case, don't you, my fellow editor?) then I'll make a diligent effort to make you feel more welcome from here on out. Starting now. Hi, Chris. How's it going up there in God's country? It's been heavenly down here in SoCal -- finally. It's been hotter than hell today but I'm sure that it will get worse as the summer approaches. The City of Angels is known for its long drawn out heat waves. No matter. We have a devil of a good time in the evenings. Inclusively yours,  Susan | You're pretty funny yourself, Sue. I have no problem with colloquial references. Does anyone really mean these things literally? And Atheist is a proper noun, so capitalizing is correct (or are you trying to "downsize" us even further?).
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| 9. Wednesday, May 3, 2006 10:35 AM |
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I may have to give you the pink slip as the resident editor, Chris. (even though I have absolutely no authority, divine or otherwise, to do so) from "Religious Tolerance" website: Capitalization: The term is normally not capitalized -- except when it begins a sentence -- because it is not a proper noun.
From an "Official Atheism" website: Finally, to avoid faux pas, keep in mind that atheism is spelled a-t-h-e-i-s-m, not "athiesm," and that atheism is not a proper noun, and should only be capitalized when at the beginning of a sentence.
From Merriam-Webster's: atheist One entry found for atheist.
Main Entry: athe·ist Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist Function: noun : one who believes that there is no deity
I believe the final ruling is in - atheist. Chris, you're fired! Get ye to a Current Events Forum!
Susan
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| 10. Thursday, May 4, 2006 10:23 AM |
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http://www.iamanatheist.com/ In calling oneself an atheist, one is acknowledging "theism." The philosophy, though not religious, is a direct response to religion and therefore pertinent to it.
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| 11. Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:41 PM |
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| QUOTE: I may have to give you the pink slip as the resident editor, Chris. (even though I have absolutely no authority, divine or otherwise, to do so) from "Religious Tolerance" website: Capitalization: The term is normally not capitalized -- except when it begins a sentence -- because it is not a proper noun.
From an "Official Atheism" website: Finally, to avoid faux pas, keep in mind that atheism is spelled a-t-h-e-i-s-m, not "athiesm," and that atheism is not a proper noun, and should only be capitalized when at the beginning of a sentence.
From Merriam-Webster's: atheist One entry found for atheist.
Main Entry: athe·ist Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist Function: noun : one who believes that there is no deity
I believe the final ruling is in - atheist. Chris, you're fired! Get ye to a Current Events Forum!
Susan | I never wanted to be the editor, sooooo... I QUIT! So atheist isn't a proper noun. Sometimes I'm wrong. Hey, I'm only human(ist). But Susan, you haven't admitted your own error in the whole "yay" "nuke-you-lur" debate. And don't get me started on "miss-chee-vee-us"!!!
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