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1. Monday, May 17, 2010 8:33 PM
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Lynch's new long-form commercial (it hardly seems like one) for Dior, "Lady Blue Shanghai", is here:

http://fashionista.com/2010/05/exclusive-david-lynchs-lady-blue-shanghai-with-marion-cotillard-chapter-3-in-the-lady-dior-saga/

It stars Marion Cotillard as yet another "woman in trouble" and features a number of Lynchian tropes, including red curtains, a scratchy phonograph, and...something inside a Dior purse. I won't spoil the surprise. Is Lynch running out of ideas, holding back his new ones for his next feature, or merely winking at his fans? Whatever, as an atmospheric short film, this may work -- though I'm not sure it would make anyone want to buy a purse.


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2. Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:35 AM
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Ugly, boring, and overlong.

 
3. Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:52 AM
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It made me want to buy a smoke machine. Et voila, instant mystery! 

I liked it and the blue rose was a nice touch (for the Lynch faithful). 


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4. Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:37 PM
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QUOTE:Ugly, boring, and overlong.

Not unlike most music that gets radio play. Add redundant. Have yet to see these shorts.

 
5. Monday, May 24, 2010 11:39 PM
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Is DL preoccupid?

I watched it MOS, but if it doesn't have that lush, tasty Lynch look, it could be any web short that actors are beefing up their resumes with, and I am too easily distracted. It's as if DL had one of those script writing computer programs, only it's full of his own stock props. Add this or that here or there, and voila- instant mystery.

 
6. Friday, May 21, 2010 9:03 PM
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alright, you all know im an IE lover. so this short film(which is similar in character to IE)(but as an advertisement, which is an important distinction to make i think because it allows for more abstraction than a fiction that is its own product, not one made for a product), i thought it was great. in both content and style. as much as lynch gets criticized for what people call his obscureness, this has a coherent(if metaphysical) plot. the man who left the dior bag was her lover in some other time, his calling card the blue rose. thats pretty simple compared to IE. if anything i see a refinement and evolution in his camera work in the past couple years, as lynch and justin did the cameras and lynch edited. the musical piece he co-wrote was used well and i also enjoyed the production design. ive worked lights in theater and music performance and even a few smoke machines before i knew better(im not knocking you faceintheleaves, just using one aspect of the film as an example)  and in this short there were some really tricky shots that i wouldnt believe a film student could do even if they told me they could. it may not look like much, but thats the point. that shit is very hard to pull off, especially if you need even a little subtlety. i dont really see a point in arguing aesthetics here, as we're all pretty set in how much lynch each one of us can take(and what kind) so lets just put me in the yes camp with faceintheleaves on "lady blue shanghai". also, one should really watch it in HD on the dior site. i found the difference between that and the youtube, vimeo, etc. posts to vary greatly. as in the latter two suck, but the former has that crispness that lynch uses so well from the digital cameras, and does not look much different(at least not worse) from his other DV films.

 
7. Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:00 AM
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I suspect when these fashion houses enlist DL to make them an advert they're buying the associations (and therefore credibility) that comes with him as much as the finished product. Otherwise they'd say "But Mr Lynch, you've ignored our product and made our brand look sinister. Please start from scratch". 

I really liked his Gucci 'Heart of Glass' promo but the subsequent 'I Feel Love' advert directed by Chris Cunningham (another of my heroes) was astonishing.  

I often feel the same as 12rainbow and wonder whether DL is preoccupied. Maybe his interest in hawking high fashion is waning. It seems so at odds with all the things that interest him - like dentistry, spark plugs and bare ladies.  

 


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8. Monday, May 24, 2010 3:59 AM
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also, its good money

 
9. Monday, May 24, 2010 11:19 PM
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I often feel the same as 12rainbow and wonder whether DL is preoccupied. Maybe his interest in hawking high fashion is waning. It seems so at odds with all the things that interest him - like dentistry, spark plugs and bare ladies.  

 


 

Wow, I pretty much paraphrased you, FITL, without even reading your first post! That is funny.

I am going to watch it again for substance, since we've seen the style already. *sigh* And by style, I mean we've seen this outfit before...

EDIT: Ok, ok, I am liking it this time around. I think you have to be in a kind of zone to like it, though. I am stoned on Valerian tea.

 
10. Tuesday, May 25, 2010 6:49 AM
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did you watch it on the doir site?

 
11. Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:26 AM
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whatever link dugpa had. Is there a better quality version out there? People should definitely watch it there, if so.

 
12. Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:02 AM
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yeah, the dugpa link is okay, especially if your screen isnt all that great to begin with. the better version is in HD on the Dior site, which i believe is linked on the dugpa site, in a link below the two youtube links. seriously, to my eyes there is a vast difference.

 
13. Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:59 AM
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QUOTE:yeah, the dugpa link is okay, especially if your screen isnt all that great to begin with. the better version is in HD on the Dior site, which i believe is linked on the dugpa site, in a link below the two youtube links. seriously, to my eyes there is a vast difference.

 http://www.ladydior.com/

 
14. Friday, May 28, 2010 4:57 AM
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I often feel the same as 12rainbow and wonder whether DL is preoccupied. Maybe his interest in hawking high fashion is waning. It seems so at odds with all the things that interest him - like dentistry, spark plugs and bare ladies.  

 


  Wow, I pretty much paraphrased you, FITL, without even reading your first post! That is funny. I am going to watch it again for substance, since we've seen the style already. *sigh* And by style, I mean we've seen this outfit before... EDIT: Ok, ok, I am liking it this time around. I think you have to be in a kind of zone to like it, though. I am stoned on Valerian tea.

I think I cried "Why, that no good broad stole one of my best lines!"  

Do you think this Lynch business is making us cynical? I'm glad you liked the advert more the second time round. You're one of the people who keeps me sane when I visit the TPG board and everybody seems to hate everything (regardless of whether they've seen/heard/read it or not). 


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15. Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:44 PM
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Why, thanks and ditto that sentiment! Difficult to find fair judges.

I can admit that Lynch's career has reached it's apex, and although the date is debatable, there is a whole school devoted to standing at Lynch's heels with whips, barking at him to "do better!" be more like your early work, be less like your last work. They are relentless. I like that he's keeping on doing stuff, anyway. I just hope he's having fun and keeping old age away

 
16. Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:34 PM
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where as im almost the opposite. i love the early work, very much. this is the last time ill bring it up, but seeing BV, TP, WAH, and FWWM in my formative adolescence between the ages of 10-14 really helped shape not just my taste in film and art in general, but also sort of awakened me to what i now do as an artist. that said, i just think he's getting better and better. and no, im not the type to like an author's most recent work the most because its the most recent, but ive seen nothing but progress since dune, and im not about to badmouth his recent work because its not as popular culture breaking as BV, TP, and WAH were(FWWM kina failed publicly on that front). from FWWM to LH to MD to IE, i cant help but see his work evolving and maturing. the problem most of you have seems to be his aesthetics using DV and the further fragmentation of narrative and character(tho one could argue EH is just as abstract as IE). or am i off on that?

 
17. Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:31 PM
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double double post. sorry.

 
18. Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:38 PM
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My main problem with IE was that it's dull as dishwater.
Not much of a critique, I know.

 
19. Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:01 PM
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ok. thats valid. but why is it so dull to you?

 
20. Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:37 AM
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I think it's easiest to explain by using the title of the DVD extra (which I haven't seen): More things that happened. IE is simply said things that happen, and none of them were even remotely interesting.

And even worse, IE felt like it was constricted by story, and not at as sprawling as people had said.
So I found IE dull simply because it didn't rouse the humors, not even bile.

 
21. Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:22 AM
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QUOTE:I think it's easiest to explain by using the title of the DVD extra (which I haven't seen): More things that happened. IE is simply said things that happen, and none of them were even remotely interesting.

And even worse, IE felt like it was constricted by story, and not at as sprawling as people had said.
So I found IE dull simply because it didn't rouse the humors, not even bile.

so to you its the narrative, or lack thereof, in disjunction with the themes and characters then?  booth, you know im not trying to nag, i really appreciate being able to talk about this without the usual conflicts i have gotten into with people who dont like IE, who then are very vague about why they dont like it. or have no reason, and, this is a quote, they "just dont like it and dont know why". and that intrigues me. so, basically theres no hook in the movie for you to latch onto? is that it in a nutshell? is that the issue for many others? what do you think about the DV?

 
22. Sunday, May 30, 2010 12:22 PM
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QUOTE:and that intrigues me. so, basically theres no hook in the movie for you to latch onto?
Sure, something like that. I think that there's also something to do with me getting less and less charmed by Lynch's style. Is the bit with Bucky(?) and the lighting liked by fans of the movie?

I have no problem with loose narrative, it's a great gift to the viewer. I've never watched a Lynch movie for the story, but in this movie there was just no escaping it. Story everywhere. And it never intrigued me.
I didn't mind the dv, but that was probably because of the 35mm intermediate.

 
23. Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:27 PM
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QUOTE:and that intrigues me. so, basically theres no hook in the movie for you to latch onto?
Sure, something like that. I think that there's also something to do with me getting less and less charmed by Lynch's style. Is the bit with Bucky(?) and the lighting liked by fans of the movie?

I have no problem with loose narrative, it's a great gift to the viewer. I've never watched a Lynch movie for the story, but in this movie there was just no escaping it. Story everywhere. And it never intrigued me.
I didn't mind the dv, but that was probably because of the 35mm intermediate.

thank you booth!along with a few other gazetteers(i wont name who, you know who you are), your response is much more helpful and intelligent to discuss and understand. i liked the bucky thing, it was a short little burst of humor in an otherwise pretty heavy film. and it gave me an extra chuckle because i knew it was lynch. i think other fans in the know about bucky enjoyed it. at least the people on the dugpa board and the few personal friends i have that are fans of lynch already did as well. but then again, i have friends who are like you and 12, they think lynch is past his prime. and thanks again for not hating on the DV or the narrative. i think that criticism is lazy and a copout. at least you have a solidified reason for your aversion. and strangely enough, what you say about too much story, or that it was everywhere was one of the things i like about it(altho it can be argued that lynch has just as many abstraction in IE as in his other films), and the story hooked me. i doubt theres anyone in the world who has the same interpetation of the film as another person. for good or bad, this seems to be the way lynch is headed. and to boil it down, you see this as a decline, and i see this as progress. C'est la vie.

 
24. Sunday, May 30, 2010 2:57 PM
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i liked the bucky thing, it was a short little burst of humor in an otherwise pretty heavy film. and it gave me an extra chuckle because i knew it was lynch. i think other fans in the know about bucky enjoyed it. at least the people on the dugpa board and the few personal friends i have that are fans of lynch already did as well

That's the feeling I got when I saw the movie: I bet that people who like the movie (Lynch) find this hilarious.
And it's unfortunate that his cult of personality as well as his name becoming a genericized trademark are on the rise while he's on the verge of pulling a Chaplin with his artistic work.

And I will clarify what I just said because it probably sounds terribly condescending: I am not implying that it's impossible to like IE unless you have a shrine dedicated to David Lynch.

 
25. Sunday, May 30, 2010 10:42 PM
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i liked the bucky thing, it was a short little burst of humor in an otherwise pretty heavy film. and it gave me an extra chuckle because i knew it was lynch. i think other fans in the know about bucky enjoyed it. at least the people on the dugpa board and the few personal friends i have that are fans of lynch already did as well

That's the feeling I got when I saw the movie: I bet that people who like the movie (Lynch) find this hilarious.
And it's unfortunate that his cult of personality as well as his name becoming a genericized trademark are on the rise while he's on the verge of pulling a Chaplin with his artistic work.

And I will clarify what I just said because it probably sounds terribly condescending: I am not implying that it's impossible to like IE unless you have a shrine dedicated to David Lynch.

 i didnt take that comment about liking IE to mean that. no worries. i understand the idea of pulling a chaplin, but how do you see lynch doing that as a film maker? cult of celebrity is one thing, but he was much more on the media radar in 89-94 with TP, WAH, hell, the cover of time, and then though the build to FWWM(he was on leno right before it was released, and the whole thing is everybody laughing at the abstract way he speaks and of course what he was saying, mixed in with his golly gee 50's slang). it took SS and MD to make him respected in the general sense again, but nowhere near his exposure in the early 90's. so i have to question the statement:"And it's unfortunate that his cult of personality as well as his name becoming a genericized trademark are on the rise while he's on the verge of pulling a Chaplin with his artistic work", as i dont see him on the rise, more like being cannonized(i.e. the golden lion from venice). is that what you mean? thats he's more part of the industry, or the dirtier word for it, the establishment, as in he has sold out?

 

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