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| 1. Wednesday, November 7, 2007 9:19 PM |
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I do. The writer is king here at Capitol Pictures. You don't believe me, take a look at your paycheck at the end of every week – that's what we think of the writer.
Yeah, but what about the producers and studios? What do they think of the writer? Forever the champions of labor except when they are at the receiving end of a strike. You know me. I'm not the one you'll catch looking for that union label. I think the concept of "labor union" is retro -- pretty much run its course. But the Writers Guild! That's different. I love these people. They're solid class for the most part and not whiney complainers. They do not go on strike at the drop of a hat like some unions. Teachers, coff coff. SAG. Teamsters. Auto workers. The writers haven't been on strike since 1988 and that's about 20 years according to my calculator. I'm not out marching in solidarity though if I knew where the writers from the Sopranos were striking, I'd probably carry a sign or at least bring them some donuts. How about a little justice for the WGA! No justice! No peace! They say it's gonna be a loooooooooooong strike too. This town is expecting a ripple effect in the economy if it goes on into next spring with threats of (perish the thought) studio execs doing some of the writing themselves. Brace yourselves if you have television series that you've grown to love. Susan
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| 2. Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:11 AM |
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I would be willing to be a strike breaker if you know of any positions that are open.
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| 3. Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:18 AM |
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Scab! There's a scab over here! Beat him with your signs, everybody!
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| 4. Thursday, November 8, 2007 10:59 AM |
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The only scabs in this strike will be the suits.
Did I just say that????  Anyway, I remain in sympathy with the most important link in the creative chain. King Writer. Susan
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| 5. Thursday, November 8, 2007 11:55 AM |
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currently don't care, but will be tremendously annoyed in a couple of months when shows are delayed even longer into the year. Have to also agree with the Writer's Guild on this one too. they should be getting a fair share of the Internet and DVD income. the actors do - writers should too.
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| 6. Thursday, November 8, 2007 1:46 PM |
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It may be sooner than a few months, Jordan, depending on your regular choice of programming. For me, since The Sopranos has ended, Curb Your Enthusiasm is about to end and Entourage is over, I will not suffer. For 24, The Office, Desperate Housewives (They lost me after the first season and now with the cancer thing. Feh.) and Lost fans? You all may feel the pain. NYTimes November 8, 2007 For TV Executives, It’s Time to Juggle Jack Bauer will return to save the world on “24” — again — but somewhat later than expected. And Michael Scott, the comically obtuse regional manager on “The Office,” will not be serving up any original cringe-inducing comments after next week. As television and movie writers entered the third day of their strike against Hollywood producers yesterday, the walkout continued to complicate matters for the networks. Fox, the first to announce revisions to its prime-time schedule because of the strike, said it would indefinitely postpone the start of the seventh season of “24,” which had been scheduled for January, to ensure an uninterrupted 24-episode season. Original episodes of NBC’s half-hour comedy “The Office” will stop broadcasting after the Nov. 15 show. Other television programs, including “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” on NBC, were wrapping up production yesterday as producers ran out of fresh scripts. And the cast and crew of “Desperate Housewives” on ABC were expected to stop filming by tomorrow, a studio spokeswoman said. Six other comedies — including “Two and a Half Men” and “The New Adventures of Old Christine,” both on CBS — have already ceased production this week. But unlike “The Office,” they (and most other prime-time scripted shows) have several weeks or months of episodes already filmed and waiting to be shown. Production on “The Office” was shut down after the writers, several of whom are also actors on the show, began picketing, and Steve Carell, the lead actor who plays Michael Scott, refused to cross the lines. A publicist for Mr. Carell said he had no comment about the strike. Several of the writers and actors from “The Office” expressed their complaints in a video posted on YouTube. “You’re watching this on the Internet — a thing that pays us zero dollars,” said Mike Schur, a writer for the show, clutching a picket sign. More than 12,000 members of the Writers Guild West and the Writers Guild East went on strike just after midnight Monday, after a late negotiating session convened by a federal mediator failed to bridge the divide between writers and producers. The most contentious issue centers on how much writers should be paid when their programs and movies are shown on the Internet and other new-media devices like cellphones and iPods. On the picket line yesterday morning, outside the headquarters of the Walt Disney Company in Burbank, Calif., show runners from at least 30 scripted television series (including “Lost,” “Desperate Housewives” and “My Name is Earl”) joined members of the Screen Actors Guild and other striking writers. As the writers (and often creators) who also serve as executive producers of their shows, these so-called show runners must contend with their own sharply divided loyalties. Members of the Writers Guild, they have marched off their shows. But as producers, they are still expected by the networks and studios to perform their contractual duties, like editing episodes that are already filmed and casting episodes that have not been filmed yet. They also have responsibility for hundreds of crew members — electricians, costume designers, set decorators and makeup artists, among others — who work on the programs. Those crew members are not on strike. But in a few weeks, many will be out of work as shows start to shut down production for a lack of scripts. “We’re very concerned that there be shows for our crews to come back to after the strike is over,” said Josh Schwartz, the creator of “The O.C.” and the current series “Gossip Girl” on CW and “Chuck” on NBC. “We feel a great solidarity with the Writers Guild, but at the same time I have a real obligation to my shows.” Some show runners, like Shawn Ryan of “The Shield” on FX and “The Unit” on CBS, have insisted that they cannot perform any of their editing duties while on strike as a writer. But even leaders among the striking writers are uncertain that the lines are so clear. Carlton Cuse, a show runner and writer on “Lost,” and a member of the Writers Guild negotiating committee, said he thought that the question of whether to perform some duties during the strike “is a decision that should be left up to the conscience of the individual show runner.”
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| 7. Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:08 PM |
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As a Lost fan, I'll be feeling the pain. But I predictably support (like, in my mind, not with anything quantifiable) every strike by a union unless I know of a good reason not to. That's the default position.
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| 8. Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:12 PM |
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I'm pretty angry about the strike... I mean I completely agree that the writers should get DVD and Internet revenues, but I feel like this shouldn't have turned into a full fledged strike; the studios should have dealt with this long ago. So I'm mad at the studios, not the writers, just to make that clear. Meanwhile the 4th season of Lost will be even shorter than expected, and the excellent Pushing Daisies, which has been getting surprisingly good ratings could easily get lost in the mix... Argh! Apparently Bryan Fuller has really bad luck with his shows, so that wouldn't be surprising. On the other hand some good things could come out of it... the strike could give the people who make Ugly Betty (which I am a fan of but have been frustrated with since towards the end of season 1) a chance to stop for a while and think about where they're heading. Same goes for shows I am not a fan of, but are reportedly headed downhill this season, such as "The Office" and "Heroes". Also it'll give me the time to rewatch all of Twin Peaks a couple times, as well as catch up on the last three seasons of X-files before the new movie (hopefully) is released this summer.
That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!
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| 9. Friday, November 9, 2007 11:09 AM |
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| QUOTE: and now with the cancer thing. Feh | Was it good Hodgkins or bad Hodgkins?
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| 10. Friday, November 9, 2007 12:05 PM |
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QUOTE:| QUOTE: and now with the cancer thing. Feh | Was it good Hodgkins or bad Hodgkins? |
Heh heh... I haven't watched it close enough to know. My guess is it's the Pink Cancer though. Will I ever be able to look at the color pink again without thinking cancer? Susan
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| 11. Friday, November 9, 2007 3:31 PM |
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Well, as a writer AND a blue collar worker, I definitely care about the scripters and anyone who's in a union. I've been at my current job for over 24 years, have participated in at least 5 contract negotiations & just completed my steward's training. At this point in U.S. history, workers need union representation more than ever. For a glaring example of horrid management running roughshod over their employees & the communities they negatively impact, look no further than the marauding Goliath that is Wal-Mart (shudder), one of the most profitable companies in the world. Staunchly non-union, their practices are notorious & put the ugliest possible face on heartless capitalism. But BOY, their prices are SURE LOW!!!
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| 12. Friday, November 9, 2007 10:28 PM |
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I care that Letterman stopped already and I will care when Chuck stops, that's about it in terms of shows I would really miss (well, maybe Dexter as well).
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| 13. Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:07 AM |
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You mean TV is going to start sucking worse?
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| 14. Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:39 PM |
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QUOTE:You mean TV is going to start sucking worse?
| The Simpsons might actually become better.
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| 15. Friday, November 16, 2007 9:30 AM |
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An interview with The Daily Show with Jon Stewart writer John Oliver, straight from the picket lines. From Gothamist.com November 15, 2007 John Oliver, WriterCan you give people the short version why you’re on strike? Short version. Okay, the pretty short version is that the current contracts being proposed by the producers are pretty unfair. They’re making a lot of revenue from online advertising and none of that revenue comes back down toward the writers. So money’s being made but not distributed. The Writers Guild is trying to set a precedent so there will be fairer pay in the future. Someone from the WGA, I think it was the president, said the strike could go on for nine months. I did not hear that. To be honest I find brinksmanship like that difficult to stomach and it makes both sides sound equally bad. They’re playing games with people’s lives at the moment, and I’m not even talking about the writers. On The Daily Show we have a staff who are very concerned at the moment about losing their jobs – researchers, P.A.s, etc. – and I find talk like that quite difficult to stomach. I understand they’re trying to play some kind of brinksmanship game but that doesn’t make it any less difficult to hear when friends of mine who live paycheck to paycheck are being seriously affected by this strike. And they don’t even stand to benefit from any of the negotiations! Are the strikers really inspired by the celebrities who come out to the picket line? The main hope is that this is over fast, so if it takes an actor turning up and handing out donuts for the press to take pictures, then so be it. People want this over. This could be over tomorrow; that is what everyone wants. So whatever it takes, I don’t care if a clown turns up and juggles. There is no self-respecting dignity when it comes to picketing so I couldn’t care less; whatever it takes to stop this.
Has anyone not part of the Writers Guild done anything that’s been less than supportive? Not that I’m aware of. There has been criticism in the press of Ellen DeGeneres because she’s still working, but I would not join in with that because she’s protecting her staff who depend on her. It’s an untenable position for everyone. Have you spoken with Jon Stewart since the strike started? I have. We’re all very worried. We have a staff of I don’t know how many and I’m not sure the livelihoods of these people is something that’s covered enough in the press. Everyone who works for our show stands to lose their job if we are off the air for too long and they get cut lose, so it’s a huge concern. I think sometimes when you see the writers marching up and down and laughing – because that’s what we do, those of us who write comedy tend to laugh about horrendous situations – I think sometimes that can look bad because it may look like people are taking it lightly. But no, it’s a horrible situation. But while you’re on the picket line are you still coming up with great ideas for The Daily Show? Sure. You get trained to look at any serious situation and think, “That could be funny.” When I saw that emergency powers were being announced by Musharraf in Pakistan, it’s not ideal that my first reaction is, “Oh, that could definitely be funny.” That’s not the sign of a balanced human being! But that’s just the way it is. I also find it really difficult to know they’re not talking now. It’s inexcusable! Even if it’s in tense silence for ten hours a day, I can’t see any reason to not sit in a room when you’ve got people’s lives on the line. I can’t see any reason why that’s defensible.
What’s the sense on the picket line as to why that’s not happening? Who knows? I have no idea. It’s difficult as well because we’re on the east coast and nothing happens here. So all we do is march around in a circle and hope. If this strike is still going on in another two weeks what do you see yourself doing for a comedic outlet? Well, I can do stand-up. The thing that keeps me awake at night are my co-workers’ livelihoods, the co-workers back in the office. That’s why I’m having a hard time sleeping at night. And three hours sleep a night doesn’t help with the walking in circles. I’m not in any physical or mental shape to be doing this. I wasn’t before, to be fair, but I’m certainly not now. Yeah, I don’t even see any Gatorade or Power Bars out here for you guys. Exactly! People aren’t trained for this. As you can see, writers are pasty creatures who are no friends to sunlight.
I see people yawning. Frankly, some of these guys don’t look like they’re going to make it. The first writer who collapses with a donut in his mouth from walking in a circle, that’s how you’ll know we’re broken. Why do you think the studios take this tight-fisted approach to writers’ residuals? I read a recent article in the Times that explained how the writers’ residuals amount to $120 million, compared to the “participations” that the stars get, amounting to $3 billion dollars. I don’t know; I’m not involved in movies. There are lots of different facets to this negotiation that maybe don’t affect people here but to get anything done you stand together. Obviously the studios’ approach sounds reprehensibly unfair. What is strange is that what is being proposed by the writers seems so fair and you can’t get in tune to the idea that strikes must be two-sided, both claiming wild things and there’s no middle ground. But the idea of claiming anything other than nothing in terms of a percentage for sales – not just for a standard wage but for sales when revenue is created on the internet – it seems so reasonable. And that is what becomes so frustrating and frightening when that is stonewalled. When you try and put yourselves in the producers’ shoes and understand why are they not doing this, the only thing you can come up with is so that they can have more money. I guess if I was so inclined that I wanted as much money as possible and no one else to have it then I might act that way. Otherwise I’m at a loss. The writers from The Office were talking about how they wrote some web-only “promotionals” for the show and there was ad revenue generated from those and the writers weren’t paid any residuals. That’s right. Or, like, all our Daily Show clips were pulled off YouTube by Viacom, who is suing them for a billion dollars. That was not at our instigation – we were happy for people to watch the clips. But instead they wanted to set up a website where they can sell advertising while the clip is buffering, although I thought we were at the point where clips don’t need to buffer anymore. So you have to watch a commercial for thirty seconds or whatever. So they’re clearly making money on that; they’re also clearly making money because they’re suing YouTube for a billion. So that seems quite strange when they’re saying, “Well, there’s no money to be made off the internet but we’re suing YouTube for a billion dollars.” That takes spectacular balls! There are so many areas of it that seem so desperately unfair. The ads on the Daily Show site really do suck, though it's nice to have so many great clips in one place. 1981- Raiders of the Lost Ark, dir. Steven Speiberg
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| 16. Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:18 PM |
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Bad news for the SNL staff (but really, that show hasn't had it going on since Tina Fey left) and another reason I am a huge Letterman fan; from the New York Post:
November 17, 2007 -- IN its first dramatic move since the beginning of the Writers Guild strike, NBC has fired "nearly the entire production staff" of its struggling, late-night staple, "Saturday Night Live," sources told Page Six. One tipster told us, " 'SNL' laid off all their staff until further notice. Their production staff, even long-term employees, were let go." Another source confirmed that "90 percent of the 'SNL' staff was fired." And while The Washington Post reported yesterday that NBC might lay staff off at Jay Leno's "Tonight" show, "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" and "Last Call With Carson Daly" - all of which immediately went into rerun mode on Nov. 5 - those staffers would at least get paid for two more weeks. But an insider confirmed to us that "SNL" staffers got no severance. Although no official announcement had been made as of last night about firings at any of NBC's late-night shows, multiple sources confirmed to us that "SNL" staffers learned of their axing yesterday morning. Reps for NBC declined comment. Despite being scrooged out of their Christmas-season paychecks, the "SNL" crew still has a big heart. Playbill reports that the cast plans to perform a nontelevised show tonight at the New York Upright Citizens Brigade Theater on West 26th Street. Ticket proceeds from the sold-out performance, which was produced by Lorne Michaels, will benefit the Writers Guild's strike fund. The strike has drawn such famous-faced picketers as Sarah Silverman and Kathy Griffin in Los Angeles and "SNL" alumna and current "30 Rock" star Tina Fey in New York to the picket lines. The writers have been fighting for a slice of the dough that networks make off of DVD sales and Internet-streamed content. Meanwhile, one powerful name is playing Santa Claus to his loyal colleagues. CBS "Late Show" host David Letterman has quietly announced to his staff that he would pay them out of his own pocket over the holidays if the strike continues.
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| 17. Sunday, November 18, 2007 1:14 PM |
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Here's where I would like to have been... Is Michael Imperioli just sooooooo CUTE!!! Susan STRIKE REPORT Writers bring their drama to Wall Street  Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times The Writers Guild of America, East set up picket lines at the edge of Battery Park, a subway stop away from Wall Street but as close as municipal officials would let them get to the New York Stock Exchange and the iconic bronze sculpture of a bull. Supporters of the WGA strike included Michael Imperioli, right, who played Christopher on "The Sopranos."
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| 18. Sunday, November 18, 2007 1:23 PM |
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| QUOTE: Here's where I would like to have been... Is Michael Imperioli just sooooooo CUTE!!! Susan STRIKE REPORT Writers bring their drama to Wall Street Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times The Writers Guild of America, East set up picket lines at the edge of Battery Park, a subway stop away from Wall Street but as close as municipal officials would let them get to the New York Stock Exchange and the iconic bronze sculpture of a bull. Supporters of the WGA strike included Michael Imperioli, right, who played Christopher on "The Sopranos." |
Wait, I know that "Christopha!" was supposed to have written Cleaver, but is this actor guy REALLY a writer? (on a Sopranos side note, I read that Van Zant tried in vain to get Chase to use a better song for the closing bit than Journey. Shut up, Mr. Rock Star!!! Oh, well...)
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| 19. Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:06 PM |
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Also on the Sopranos theme and dedicated to Susan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe3flmE1MDY
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| 20. Friday, November 30, 2007 8:14 AM |
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Now that the two network shows I watch are going to be affected, I care. I mean, I care because it appears that many of the writers' demands are legit. So, when we buy DVDs of our favorite shows for the 2007 season will there be an asterisk (like the 1983 NFL season)? * strike-shortened season Side note, I read online the other day that Journey Man is getting the ax. NBC bought 11 episodes and with lagging raings, they are showing no signs of buying any more. Too bad, I liked that show.
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| 21. Friday, November 30, 2007 11:38 AM |
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based on an article i read in EW a few weeks ago, pretty much all shows (except maybe for Chuck which i think had about 3 more episodes than some other shows that the mag mentioned) will run out of episodes to show in December. I beleive Heroes is now out of shows, for example. Battlestar Galactica on Sci-Fi I believe is also being pushed back (which makes me a sad panda).
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| 22. Friday, November 30, 2007 5:26 PM |
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All of the "mainstream" primetime shows are pretty much out of eps already or will be by the end of the year. A few shows have had a couple episodes saved for use in January, and some lesser-watched shows already had entire seasons in the can. If I remember correctly, one of my fave shows...Men In Trees...had fifteen episodes remaining after the strike began. But yeah, most shows are done within the next month or two. Guess it's time to start picking up books or perhaps going outdoors and enjoying fresh air? :)
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| 23. Friday, November 30, 2007 5:28 PM |
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QUOTE: | Poor "Christopha!" wanders lonely as a cloud.
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| 24. Saturday, December 1, 2007 12:00 AM |
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I know, Booth. I so should be by his side!
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| 25. Sunday, December 2, 2007 4:19 AM |
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QUOTE:I'm pretty angry about the strike... I mean I completely agree that the writers should get DVD and Internet revenues, but I feel like this shouldn't have turned into a full fledged strike; the studios should have dealt with this long ago. So I'm mad at the studios, not the writers, just to make that clear. Meanwhile the 4th season of Lost will be even shorter than expected, and the excellent Pushing Daisies, which has been getting surprisingly good ratings could easily get lost in the mix... Argh! Apparently Bryan Fuller has really bad luck with his shows, so that wouldn't be surprising. On the other hand some good things could come out of it... the strike could give the people who make Ugly Betty (which I am a fan of but have been frustrated with since towards the end of season 1) a chance to stop for a while and think about where they're heading. Same goes for shows I am not a fan of, but are reportedly headed downhill this season, such as "The Office" and "Heroes". Also it'll give me the time to rewatch all of Twin Peaks a couple times, as well as catch up on the last three seasons of X-files before the new movie (hopefully) is released this summer.
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I agree. It can give everyone some time to think about their (favorite) shows. I mean, producers and fans. For example, unlike you, I am a fan of Heroes but I liked the way Kring decided to end this season right now, changing the final episode. After all it was a transitional season and this strike would eventually do some good also to many shows that are running since a long time. Plus, if the creators really care about their shows, I think they will start writing more episodes themselves without the help of serial writers. It would be interesting because we'll finally see if they're capable or not, thus see the shows find their real nature... or maybe just sink. Moreover, with this strike, maybe now people will start doing other and more productive things, like reading, running and, of course, going to the movies.
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