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151. Friday, November 20, 2009 5:31 PM
newraymond RE: Obamacare


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Now George Soros the guy who admittedly fingered jews for the Nazis, the guy who almost singlehandedly collapsed the pound Sterling, the same guy who is the prime money and influence man for the progressive movement is the exact opposite type from yours truly. There is no debate about that : )


He is in this case in agreement with my view, my trepidations concerning our current situation !

" Monday, February 23, 2009
George Soros: This is the End of the Free Market Era; Situation Similar to Disintegration of Soviet Union "

from     fundmymutualfund.com

The comparison between Obama and Gorbechev are not lost on me. Gorby the agent for destruction of the USSR, and a similar role for Obama and capitalism.

Ole George and I are on the same page here. The number one control tool towards the disintegration of the U S and capitalism is Obamacare. Yikes.

 
152. Friday, November 20, 2009 5:30 PM
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George is, to give the devil his do, a world powerhouse and a character to be constantly observed. Perfect casting for a villanous Dr.No. or maybe Goldfinger.

 
153. Sunday, November 22, 2009 2:18 AM
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Here is a current Quinnipiac poll on this healthcare terrorism--ah i mean catrastrophy.

A budget-buster in the making
washington Post

By David S. Broder
Sunday, November 22, 2009

....The question read: "President Obama has pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our federal budget deficit over the next decade. Do you think that President Obama will be able to keep his promise or do you think that any health care plan that Congress passes and President Obama signs will add to the federal budget deficit?"

The answer: Less than one-fifth of the voters -- 19 percent of the sample -- think he will keep his word. Nine of 10 Republicans and eight of 10 independents said that whatever passes will add to the torrent of red ink. By a margin of four to three, even Democrats agreed this is likely. That fear contributed directly to the fact that, by a 16-point margin, the majority in this poll said they oppose the legislation moving through Congress.....

[tricks used by the healthcare economic sabateurs] Perhaps the biggest of those maneuvers was Reid's decision to postpone the start of subsidies to help the uninsured buy policies from mid-2013 to January 2014 -- long after taxes and fees levied by the bill would have begun.

[ a nice five year period of taxes, fees, and income with zero outgo. That is better even then the usual tax, fees in; trickled down, corrupt sifted, overreported , inefficient outgo of any 'benefits']

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If this bill passes it is all she wrote my friends. Pelosi, Obama and Reed have the attitude of " The hell with what the people want or don't want, we are forcing this unfunded crap bill because we want the government control. Hail to, bow down to the State!" They could give a shit about people's health.

 
154. Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:09 AM
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from the politico :

"In an attempt to illustrate the real world consequences of reform's taxes, Senate Republicans are pointing out a provision that would tax the makers of swine flu vaccines and drugs. The provision raises $2.3 billion annually from drug makers who sell their products through government programs."

If true, WOW, the people writing this bill really just don't get it. I'm expecting a mass exodus of drug makers leaving the US (all 5 or so). Here's a WSJ article from 2003 explaining why so many companies have already left .

 


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155. Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:28 PM
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This bill will kill tens of thousands of jobs. Companies will indeed relocate- it is happening every week! You can extort taxes from companies and the tax payers, but not if they leave the country. The tax base is leaving the U S ,New York City and California in droves. The tipping point has been reached already. Next comes the exodus of the Evil drug developers, medical device makers, and the cream of the medical intelligencia.

The direction within Europe in contrast is toward countries with favorable climates for business. A blue chip company leaves England to set up in Switzerland. And right now the U S admin/congress is pushing away small and large business and of course U S citizen taxpayers. The places with the highest taxes are losing companies and individual taxpayers fast. Of course the result is , by increasing taxes and fees the U S and the big states are losing revenues at a serious bankrupting rate.

During WW2 when employers could not increase salaries, they started providing health coverage for workers. Yes, changes are needed to improve healthcare coverage. The prohibition against insurers doing business accross state lines has to be corrected. That alone - via a concept we used to call competition, remember that one? - will bring rates  down.

The Obama government is a group of local (Chicago) radicals, thuggs and admitted Marxists in way over their heads. The Admin. is a weak joke - internationally fawning over Fidel, Chavez,  Ahmadinijad . And dissing our allies in Honduras, Isreal. France is the  strong state in dealing with Iran nukes , certainly not our Mr. Limpit. Remember the Spring revolt by the Iranian people against their sick government? You remember the pictures of the murdered protesters , including one beautiful young Iranian girl? You did not hear one word of condemnation or any sympathy or God fobid, support for these Freedom Fighters. Just a declaration to 'not interfer with Iran's democratic election process'. How about at least a 'shout out' to that dead young freedom icon girl, dead and bleeding in the street.  

So, with the nightmare of Obamacare, should it pass, where will people who need drugs and advanced procedures and can't wait 6 months go ? Let' see, the Canadians won't have the US ?? Where ya gonna go , Josephine ?

 And I'm sorry to tell you, but Obama is not that smart. He can read a campaign style speech from a telepromter but he is a weak, naive, second rate empty suit Chicago pol with his only resume builder is as a communistity organizer.

Even though Obama dissed the Dalai Lama, the Chinese were not impressed. THEY see the reckless obsurdity of launcing a giant healthcare program! If the Chinese stop lending the US government money the deck of cards will collapse. fiscal suicide.  and the Chinese strongly warned Obama to scrape such a counterintuitive monstrosity !  At least our largest banker sees this ill timed folly. Thank you China. Never though I'd say that, but rationality makes for strange bedfellows.

Any ally can be thrown under the bus if it means placating an enemy like Russia. Ask Poland and Odessa. Obama's support of an ally? no such thing. He is into give ups and favors for our avowed enemies.  All and all, could a script writer come up with a more dangerous President? 

This guy dithers on any important challenge, people dying? No rush since his March assurance of a dynamic Afgan policy in the works.

Only decided, strong, 100 % dedication to the take over of Healthcare. Strong, unequivicable arm breaking passion for this one. The Big Prize-government CONTOL of it's

citizens population.

Unemployment, national debt, tax aid to the job creating small businesses, a nuclear and missile ready Iran?  Don't even bother your narcissistic microcephalic head over it.

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Oh, and another country is heard from. GERMANY has just issued a dire warning against the Obama economic solution. They have expressed a severe concern about this Obama economic approach. They warn that the beyond any logic proposal(s)now being forced upon us by that economic genius Obama are a fiscal and monetary recipe for a world wide collapse. Lay off the credit cards you dangerous sophomoronic stateist idealogue. 

 
156. Tuesday, December 1, 2009 6:08 AM
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I guess Obama will end up lying and putting his foot in his mouth if the bill passes as is.


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157. Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:00 AM
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What can I say but ARGH.  And ARGH again.

 

Feh.

 

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158. Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:12 PM
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Let's all remember in the future how every single seat counts...Just one seat difference in the Senate could have changed things drastically.

I still tend to think the House and Senate may very well shoot themselves in the foot by overreaching.


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159. Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:25 PM
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So the Canadian president ( Raymond, does Canada have a president ? : ) anyway, this top official comes to Florida for his heart condition.

And here is where Obama has us headed and this is just one of several such hospitals...

  • Up to 1,200 patients died unnecessarily because of appalling care

  • Labour's obsession with targets and box ticking blamed for scandal

  • Patients were 'routinely neglected' at hospital

  • Report calls for FOURTH investigation into scandal

Not a single official has been disciplined over the worst-ever NHS hospital scandal, it emerged last night.

Up to 1,200 people lost their lives needlessly because Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust put government targets and cost-cutting ahead of patient care.

But none of the ...

The independent inquiry headed by Robert Francis QC found the safety of sick and dying patients was 'routinely neglected'. Others were subjected to ' inhumane treatment', 'bullying', 'abuse' and 'rudeness'...

The inquiry found that:

• Patients were left unwashed in their own filth for up to a month as nurses ignored their requests to use the toilet or change their sheets;

• Four members of one family. including a new-born baby girl. died within 18 months after of blunders at the hospital;

•  Medics discharged patients hastily out of fear they risked being sacked for delaying;

•  Wards were left filthy with blood, discarded needles and used dressings while bullying managers made whistleblowers too frightened to come forward...



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253438/Mid-Staffordshire-NHS-hospital-routinely-neglected-patients.html#ixzz0gWgsOMDW

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253438/Mid-Staffordshire-NHS-hospital-routinely-neglected-patients.html#ixzz0gWTjkeWe


Cheeryooh     stiff upper lip     Once this goes thru in the U S A there will be no place on earth to go for top care. That includes the big dogs of Canada.
 

 
160. Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:20 AM
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i find your faith in the system adorable.


 
161. Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:16 PM
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Nicely done sarcasm, well played sir. 

hey give credit where it is due right. In that department, I'm liking Michelle O. I watched her in a discussion and there was zero arrogance or I... I.... stuff. Perhaps Michelle has grown nicely into her job.

 
162. Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:35 PM
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i jist watched some live thing on youtube about it, and im encouraged by the amount of questions asked by the viewers (it was a forum kinda thing underneath) that either contained or simply stated legalize weed! XD

 

the one i asked was why cant we jist have jobs instead of welfare?

(here i add) is it because we dont build shit the rest of the world wants?! i end speculation in fear of my tinfoil hat showing.

 

a good point one of those congressional devils made though was that by the end of this year the amount spent on healthcare will equal the gross national product. 


 
163. Wednesday, March 3, 2010 5:24 PM
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President Obama has repeatedly said he would not use Reconciliation ( a budget fine tuning procedure)

CBS Interview 11/2/04

My understanding of the Senate is that you need 60 votes to get something significant to happen, which means that Democrats and Republicans have to ask the question, do we have the will to move an American agenda forward, not a Democratic or Republican agenda forward?

Change to Win Convention 9/25/07

The bottom line is that our healthcare plans are similar, the question once again is, who can get it done? Who can build a movement for change? This is an area where we’re going to have to have a 60% majority in the Senate and the House in order to actually get a bill to my desk. We’re going to have to have a majority to get a bill to my desk. That is not just a fifty plus one majority.

Obama Interview with the Concord Monitor 10/9/07

You’ve got to break out of what I call the sort of fifty plus one pattern of presidential politics. Maybe you eke out a victory of fifty plus one. Then you can’t govern. You know, you get Air Force One, there are a lot of nice perks, but you can’t deliver on healthcare. We are not going to pass universal health care with a fifty plus one strategy.

Center for American Progress Conference 7/12/06

Those big-ticket items: fixing our health care system. You know, one of the arguments that sometimes I get with my fellow progressives, and some of these have flashed up in the blog communities on occasion, is this notion that we should function sort of like Karl Rove where we identify our core base, we throw ’em red meat, we get a fifty plus one victory. See, Karl Rove doesn’t need a broad consensus because he doesn’t believe in government. If we want to transform the country, though, that requires a sizeable majority.

 
164. Thursday, March 4, 2010 7:10 AM
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with everyday that passes, it becomes more and more obvious that America voted for "NO" change. :)


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165. Friday, March 5, 2010 7:53 PM
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Here is a section from an AP report today:

" The new report predicts that debt held by investors, including China, would spike from $7.5 trillion at the end of last year to $20.3 trillion in 2020. That means interest payments would more than quadruple — from $209 billion this year, to $916 billion by the end of the decade." ...

That is right the INTEREST on the debt will be a trillion dollars per year--just the interest. Weimar republic anyone ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_go_co/us_budget_deficits_3

 
166. Saturday, March 6, 2010 4:40 PM
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A system touted as the progressive way to go...

Neglected by 'lazy' nurses, man, 22, dying of thirst rang the police to beg for water

By Emily Andrews
Last updated at 2:19 PM on 06th March 2010

A man of 22 died in agony of dehydration after three days in a leading teaching hospital.

Kane Gorny was so desperate for a drink that he rang police to beg for their help.

They arrived on the ward only to be told by doctors that everything was under control.

The next day his mother Rita Cronin found him delirious and he died within hours.

She said nurses had failed to give him vital drugs which controlled fluid levels in his body. 'He was totally dependent on the nurses to help him and they totally betrayed him.' 

Kane Gorny, aged 11

..." another young life snatched away."

 
167. Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:36 PM
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OK, this is my last post on this subject. And I quote Nancy Pelosi: 

" We Need to Pass Health Care Bill to Find Out What’s In It "

Can you imagine if Bush or Sarah Palin had said such a stupid-albeit telling-remark ?

 
168. Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:57 PM
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Michael Baron's op-ed piece lays it out - there's just not enough House votes to pass the bill as is. And once this bill loses, I don't think Obama is going to have the courage/clout to try again. if he does, he is setting himself and the Dems to lose majorly. By letting the bill die, they still have a chance to survive in the next election. USA Today has an article that says that Obama's base is disengaged. Why? I suggest that it's because they no longer can demonize Bush. Bush was the straw man to energize the base. Now that he's disappeared from public, the "angst" that Bush created is no longer there, thus the energy is no more. Obama's own policies don't help either because they would say they are not left enough.

Plus, Obama continues to prove he cannot produce that promised "change." Excited voters who voted for change aren't excited because there is no change - it's the status quo.

I think it's important Americans realize govt is too big to change. It's too slow to change. And it takes a disaster for there to be real life-changing change. And we're close to approaching another event that will be life-changing, I do believe. Not a terrorist attack.

It's that looming debt. Change is a coming - just not the change people voted for.


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169. Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:27 PM
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Well I agree Jordan. The budget deficits quadrupled with Obama. No change just an accelerator pedal stuck on accelerate like on a Toyota Prius. The talk of leaving a pile of shit to our children and grandchildren is reprehensible but i think (hope I'm wrong ) that the day of rekoning may come in a matter of years not several decades.

 

 
170. Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:27 PM
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Big catastrophic change often comes swiftly.

 

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171. Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:31 PM
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pucker up


Bleep you, & bleep the establishment, and bleep all of you who are trying to make me part of the unestablished establishment.

 
172. Friday, March 19, 2010 4:51 PM
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In the first post of this thread was to  alert you to the IRS. And indeed with obamacare you will get monthly review to insure you and small businesses are properly insurured or you the individual pay, or have taken electronically from your bank account, $2,200. plus penalty and interest. You will be dealing with the 16,500 new IRS armed (oh yes you heard me right)policia. 

 
173. Friday, March 26, 2010 12:49 PM
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I have always emphasized the upcoming doctor deficit as one of my major objections to this monstrosity of a bill.  Here's a short take on the subject.

 





March 26, 2010

It's Hard to Make a Doctor

By Richard Hailey
Last spring, I attended my son's medical school graduation. As I proudly watched his class receive their M.D. degrees, I was reminded of all the years of preparation for that day. The academic requirements started early. A child who falls behind in grade school or high school will not become a doctor. Of all the ambitious new college freshmen that choose the "pre-med" track, the majority do not make it. The academic and financial demands through college, and the intense competition for medical school acceptance, insure that only the highest achievers will be successful. 

The application process is incredibly challenging. There are only 130 medical schools in the United States. Six states do not even have a medical school. Nineteen states have only one. A successful applicant must graduate with a high GPA from a respected college or university. The required MCAT entrance exam is extremely difficult, and a low score almost always eliminates hope of acceptance. A high score, combined with a high GPA, improves the odds, but is no guarantee.

My son's experience is typical. He attended a large private university with a reputation for a high rate of medical school acceptances. Approximately 25% of the students in his freshman class were pre-med. After four years, only 20% of these finished the pre-med track and applied to medical school. Then, approximately 60% of the applicants were actually accepted. Therefore, from the original class of ambitious pre-med freshmen, typically some of the best and brightest out of high school, approximately one out of ten were accepted into a medical school.

Medical school is a four-year program, and the volumes of knowledge to absorb in a short period of time are difficult for even the best students. There can be no fear of blood, gore, or foul smells. The physical and psychological challenges can be as daunting as the academic ones. First-year students all dissect a human cadaver and become anatomy experts. They move from the classrooms to rotations in emergency rooms, operating rooms, cancer wards, and every variety of clinic. They must develop a professional insensitivity to pain and suffering. My son helped sew the scalp back on a drunk driver's head, scraped dead skin from a young child's severely burned torso, and tried to save a mangled leg injured in a motorcycle accident.

The majority of medical school students live on student loans and finish with well over $100,000 of debt. Following graduation, they enter multi-year residency programs required by their selected field of medicine. My son is now 27 years old and in the first year of a five-year residency. His salary is $44,000 per year. He is on call every fourth night when his shift is over thirty hours. He has one weekend off per month. He will probably add at least one year of fellowship training to the end of his residency, so he will be at least 32 years old when the formal training ends, when he can finally earn a "market" salary and begin paying off loans.

Amid all the debate concerning health care reform, our lawmakers should remain mindful that without doctors, there is no health care. The special few that actually become doctors are bright and motivated, and the process is long, difficult, and expensive. Without significant incentives and compensation, the best and the brightest will simply choose other careers. 

For all of us on the receiving end of a stethoscope, scalpel, or MRI, we always expect our doctors to be intelligent, accomplished, and highly trained individuals. In the drive to make health care more "efficient," we should not take for granted that a doctor will always be there when we need one.

 


     
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174. Friday, March 26, 2010 12:47 PM
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Article today about AT&T

 AT&T Inc. will take a $1 billion non-cash charge in the first quarter because of the health care overhaul and may cut benefits it offers to current and retired workers.

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The telecommunications company also said it is looking into changing the health care benefits it offers because of the new law. Analysts say retirees could lose the prescription drug coverage provided by their former employers as a result of the overhaul.

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It's just the start of a series of problems this "little" bill is going to cause.


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175. Friday, March 26, 2010 3:41 PM
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So let's see. I will all too soon be at the Medicare for the aged coverage date.

Just about the time the government gets up and running the 158 new fed. agencies who will steal from the population. Is there a doctor worth his salt that will accept the pain in the ass intrusion and expense/fee reimbursements, and take me on as a patient ?

All the best potential new doctors may take pubic administration instead. No longer will a parent offer up being a doctor as a good life choice. Government workers make ,what 40 percent more than people in the private sector? Forget amazing progress in the medical field. Forget grade A medical care in the future.

A falling tide lowers all boats. or something.

 

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